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JFK Files

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/921716470140325889

So Trump will open up the JFK files (how nice of him as they were legally to be declassified next week anyway), is it a diversion and would anything in them really surprise us do we think?

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tomwaterford

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Yea but he was shot in an underground basement of a police station in Dallas by Jack Ruby. A degenerate pimp who suddenly got a sense of nationalistic pride. Yeaaaa riiiiight.

Your the lad who thinks there's no evidence Oswald did it to begin with??

Tipsy McSwagger

branie2 wrote: »

posting a postal order at the post office

Exactly, wiring some money to one of his strippers. This is the only reason why he even left his apartment that morning.

branie2

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

What was potential assassin Ruby doing 5 minutes before he shot Oswald?

posting a postal order at the post office

fergiesfolly

I personally think that Oswald was used either by the mafia or pro Cubans to assassinate Kennedy.
I suspect that law inforcement agency(s) in the US may have had previous information on it, but decided it was in their interest or the national interest not to act.
I'd imagine that a the files the FBI and CIA want to keep closed are the ones that contain information on contacts or resources that came under scrutiny under the investigation and had nothing to do with the assassination itself.

Tipsy McSwagger

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Yea but he was shot in an underground basement of a police station in Dallas by Jack Ruby. A degenerate pimp who suddenly got a sense of nationalistic pride. Yeaaaa riiiiight.

What was potential assassin Ruby doing 5 minutes before he shot Oswald?

Whiplash85

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Oswald did it and he acted alone. If it was a conspiracy he would have been picked up outside the book depository, shot and buried in the middle of the desert. Instead he was left to roam the streets, killed a cop and tried to shoot his way out of a movie theatre when cornered.

Yea but he was shot in an underground basement of a police station in Dallas by Jack Ruby. A degenerate pimp who suddenly got a sense of nationalistic pride. Yeaaaa riiiiight.

Tipsy McSwagger

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The fact the CIA and FBI stopped files from coming out days ago is a clearly a sign Oswald was not alone in the killing of Kennedy. You don't go this much trouble to cover up details about one man who carried out a shooting 50 years ago..

Oswald did it and he acted alone. If it was a conspiracy he would have been picked up outside the book depository, shot and buried in the middle of the desert. Instead he was left to roam the streets, killed a cop and tried to shoot his way out of a movie theatre when cornered.

Cheerful Spring

Whiplash85 wrote: »

tigger123 wrote: »

The US Government could realise complete, unredacted files that comprehensively proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oswald did it, and it wouldn't convince the conspiracy theorists.

They want to believe.[/quote

Jesus Christ. They dont have one scintilla of evidence Oswald did it. Do you not think they would if they could?

The fact the CIA and FBI stopped files from coming out days ago is a clearly a sign Oswald was not alone in the killing of Kennedy. You don't go this much trouble to cover up details about one man who carried out a shooting 50 years ago..

Charmeleon

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

KGB thought Oswald was a spy when he visited the Soviet Union. They kept a close on eye on him. They were trying to figure out why this American was trying to defect?

He almost killed himself in Russia though when his defection attempt was first refused, was found unconscious in a bathtub after slitting his wrist. Not a great spying tactic to kill yourself before you can find out anything worth passing on.

Cheerful Spring

The Nal wrote: »

Yes just happened like that. Oswald as a Soviet spy is too obvious. The KGB would never have done it.

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KGB thought Oswald was a spy when he visited the Soviet Union. They kept a close on eye on him. They were trying to figure out why this American was trying to defect?

[Deleted User]

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Did we have this yet?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cruz-shocker-dad-killed-jfk-hes-secretly-elvis-jimmy-hoffas-buried-in-his-backyard-2016-05-03

Obligatory clickbait title:
Ted Cruz admits his Father did it!

I think I lost around 50 IQ from opening that link... How do people read such nonsense.

dr.fuzzenstein

Did we have this yet?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cruz-shocker-dad-killed-jfk-hes-secretly-elvis-jimmy-hoffas-buried-in-his-backyard-2016-05-03

Obligatory clickbait title:
Ted Cruz admits his Father did it!

dr.fuzzenstein

G'way with your hard, irrefutable evidence, it's much sexier to believe in a decades long global cover-up that requires the collusion of thousands of people and somehow involves the Illuminati and aliens.
You know, like flat earthers and other assorted nuts that believe the moon is a spaceship or the Queen is a Lizard being.
Those crazies used to sit in the corner of the pub muttering to themselves, but with the internet they have found a global platform to spread their luncay.
Elvis did it.

The Nal

tomwaterford wrote: »

His handwriting on the mail order form.for ordering the rifle aswel

And a photo of him holding the rifle with his signature on the back!

tomwaterford

The Nal wrote: »

Apart from the murder weapon. And fingerprints. And motive. And his presence in the building. And his escape. And eyewitnesses.

His handwriting on the mail order form.for ordering the rifle aswel

Charmeleon

Whiplash85 wrote: »

tigger123 wrote: »

The US Government could realise complete, unredacted files that comprehensively proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oswald did it, and it wouldn't convince the conspiracy theorists.

They want to believe.

Jesus Christ. They dont have one scintilla of evidence Oswald did it. Do you not think they would if they could?

There’s a huge amount of evidence. For a start, when Oswald’s wife Marina heard JFK had been shot, she went to look for his rifle to see if it was where he stored it and found it missing. If his wife thinks he’s a total nut capable of carrying out an assasination like that, why shouldn’t you? He had left his wedding ring and practically all his money in her room that morning.

She already knew he was planning assasinations. He had left her instructions on where to find the local jail and who would take care of her if he was caught during his attempt to assasinate General Walker shortly before the JFK visit. The same rifle found in the book depository was used in that assasination attempt.

Several witnesses saw Oswald with a long package that morning which he claimed were curtain poles for his lodging room. There was already a rail in his room.

He had the same handgun that shot officer Tippit, shortly after the assasination, when he was arrested in the movie theatre, he tried to shoot the arresting officers with it.

One witness said to the person with them that morning ‘do you want to see a secret service agent’ after spotting a man described very similar to Oswald standing in the 6th floor window with a rifle. The people in the floor below heard the three shots and three bullet cases hit the floor. Oswald was the only person in the building who left before the police did a headcount.

There’s so much more but I don’t want to spend all day typing it out.

The Nal

Whiplash85 wrote: »

Jesus Christ. They dont have one scintilla of evidence Oswald did it.

Apart from the murder weapon. And fingerprints. And motive. And his presence in the building. And his escape. And eyewitnesses.

Whiplash85

tigger123 wrote: »

The US Government could realise complete, unredacted files that comprehensively proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oswald did it, and it wouldn't convince the conspiracy theorists.

They want to believe.[/quote

Jesus Christ. They dont have one scintilla of evidence Oswald did it. Do you not think they would if they could?

The Nal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Anyone with a brain can see Oswald was not a lonely nut. He was travelling to the Soviet Union. A journalist reported citizens needed state department approval to travel to the Soviet Union during the cold war. Can't just buy a plane ticket and travel, you needed permission. This is my opinion leads credence Oswald was a spy for an agency in America. Why would you classify Oswald tax records? And he happens to find work in the Texas Book Depository?

Yes just happened like that. Oswald as a Soviet spy is too obvious. The KGB would never have done it.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They say the camera does not lie, why did people in same car order body guards away? They usually run behind car or ride on bumper, they were hand signalled away, the body guards looked baffled , totally bemused.
Video also shows the driver of JFKs car turn around and shoot him, all clear as day on film.
I guess the camera does lie ?

It doesn't. Old grainy Zapruder footage - the footage that was knocking around for years was a copy of a copy - might show odd movements but it clearly wasn't him.

Tipsy McSwagger

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

They say the camera does not lie, why did people in same car order body guards away? They usually run behind car or ride on bumper, they were hand signalled away, the body guards looked baffled , totally bemused.
Video also shows the driver of JFKs car turn around and shoot him, all clear as day on film.
I guess the camera does lie ?

Bwahahahahahahahaha

Charmeleon

cml387 wrote: »

What I'd like to see an answer to is this.

LHO defected to the USSR. Then he came back. Was in Cuba as well.

This is in the paranoid 50's and 60's when even to harbour vaguely socialist thoughts was enough to get you on an FBI watchlist.

So what surveillance was on Oswald?

Who was supposed to be watching him, and what exactly were they doing when he got a gun and employment in a building on the route of the presidential motorcade?

Forgetting about all the conspiracy theories about the CIA, Mafia, lizard people or grassy knolls I still haven't seen an explanation for this, although it would certainly give grounds to believe that there was a massive cover-your-ass operation after it happened.

He was being watched, Oswald even went to the FBI office and furiously complained about one of the agents harassing his wife.

He got his guns using false names, and this is in the US where you could buy guns on mail order.

cml387

What I'd like to see an answer to is this.

LHO defected to the USSR. Then he came back. Was in Cuba as well.

This is in the paranoid 50's and 60's when even to harbour vaguely socialist thoughts was enough to get you on an FBI watchlist.

So what surveillance was on Oswald?

Who was supposed to be watching him, and what exactly were they doing when he got a gun and employment in a building on the route of the presidential motorcade?

Forgetting about all the conspiracy theories about the CIA, Mafia, lizard people or grassy knolls I still haven't seen an explanation for this, although it would certainly give grounds to believe that there was a massive cover-your-ass operation after it happened.

Esel

tomwaterford wrote: »

The Mary immaculate college??

Knew them primary school teachers were up to no good

Just in case you weren't joking:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex

tomwaterford

Esel wrote: »

The MIC?

The Mary immaculate college??

Knew them primary school teachers were up to no good

Esel

tomwaterford wrote: »

There deosnt seem to been anyone that has benefitted from any conspiracy to shoot JFK??

The MIC?

tomwaterford

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This evidence could be in files the CIA and FBI just redacted and held back. And it is well known JFK documents got destroyed or missing.

Not taking any chances on there being no evidence

There deosnt seem to been anyone that has benefitted from any conspiracy to shoot JFK??

Cortina_MK_IV

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

This evidence could be in files the CIA and FBI just redacted and held back. And it is well known JFK documents got destroyed or missing. If Oswald was a lonely nut, why the fuss its just commonsense this is 50 year cold case.

Denial... Denial by a nation that one man could kill (arguably) the most powerful man in the world.

[Deleted User]

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT1ubiS3ips

Wow, that video is impressive.

It really has everything you need to formulate a JFK conspiracy theory.

Ominous music... the somber tone of the archetypal YouTube narrator ... the jumpy footage which purports to show something that it manifestly does not.

A classic, a triad of silliness!

Cheerful Spring

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT1ubiS3ips

Video is terrible quality for starters. Sun reflection on top of the passenger head, this you mean?

BorneTobyWilde

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Driver shoots him where you see this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT1ubiS3ips