Do you think Euthanasia will ever be legal in Ireland?

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Yes I have experienced it Twice in Irish Hospitals one with a relative and the other with a friend.

It's just not talked about.

I have friends who have also experienced this in Irish Hospitals and also a relative that is a nurse who confirms that it happens quite often but people don't realise it.

Ubbquittious

The nursing homes in this country make so much money every month from keeping people somewhat alive for as long as possible while draining thousands a month from the patient and their family's' bank accounts that I doubt it will happen any time soon.

No doubt they have already signaled the government that they don't want it brought in so the only way it could happen really is if d'EU decided to bring it in for us.

The problem with Euthanasia once you introduce it people can be pressured by others into it.

This is not right.

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Knex*

I think it should be legal not only for those who are ill, but just for those who generally don't want to live anymore.

I accept that this is extreme in the eyes of many, but if you don't own your own life, what do you truly own.

The problem I have with all this is I have seen where medical professionals decide for a patient that it's their time to die, even if it's against there wishes.

Patients should be allowed to decide this and not have if enforced on them.

seamie78

medical advances and interventions are keeping people alive beyond what was previously possible, just because somebody can be kept alive doesn't mean they should be, it can be difficult for loved ones to make an objective decision. I believe that there should be a process whereby people of sound mind and body can indicate at what stage they wish treatment etc to stop/discontinue. the hse could have a central data base where people register there wishes and can update on an annual basis prior to falling ill. an example may be not knowing family any longer, or being unable to communicate or move

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isn't liverpool care pathway practiced in Ireland.

Isn't this just another name for euthianasia without calling it euthianasia.

I don't think euthiansia itself will solve any of the problems in the department of health. I don't think it will even help.

The system needs replacing.

Firblog

lazybones32 wrote: »

Read the first line. I'm on the phone so I CAN'T LINK. And it isn't up to me to teach you how to use the fcuking internet, is it?

And the username could have been a clue to the answer as to the chances of him doing the search and posting it as requested.

DaithiMa

I am not sure if it will ever be legal. In my opinion, having watched once proud men and women dying slowly and painfully without any dignity, I think it should be 100% legal in the event of terminal illness. If you are given a death sentence by your health you should be allowed go out on your own terms.

corner of hells wrote: »

Lol

Now you're getting it.

gctest50 wrote: »

here's a link from a phone, it's not a problem :

https://www.asn.org.uk/

Oh no! Words.....

Try harder...a lot harder.

corner of hells wrote: »

Oh I dunno , trivialized because of lack of detail , the LOL thrown in or even your own little Moi comment smacks of an attempt of humour or sarcasm.

I gave you plenty of detail. Woman - doctor - sedated - restrained - dead. Want a picture too?
Maybe google the story for more info?

gctest50

lazybones32 wrote: »

Read the first line. I'm on the phone so I CAN'T LINK. And it isn't up to me to teach you how to use the fcuking internet, is it?

here's a link from a phone, it's not a problem :

https://www.asn.org.uk/

server down wrote: »

lazybones32 wrote: »

Read the first line. I'm on the phone so I CAN'T LINK. And it isn't up to me to teach you how to use the fcuking internet, is it?

Apparently though that does work the other way

I’m on the phone. Here’s a link.

www.google.com

Lol

server down wrote: »

Apparently though that does work the other way

I’m on the phone. Here’s a link.

www.google.com

1: how did you do that?
2: if you know how to search, search. You have an encyclopedia at your fingers but still need to be shown pages?

lazybones32 wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

Oh it did happen , I'm nearly certain it was Holland, it's the way it's trivialized by the poster by not providing details.
It's to go before a court not to prosecute but to seek clarity.

Trivialized? Moi?
I think it scary that a doctor decides to sedate a patient in order to kill them but to get her family members to hold her down too...and they comply.

Anything but trivial but i'm not a journalist, so i don't have to write reverently.

Oh I dunno , trivialized because of lack of detail , the LOL thrown in or even your own little Moi comment smacks of an attempt of humour or sarcasm.

corner of hells wrote: »

Your being very disingenuous posting that comment, that incident was in Holland about three years ago.
It's very clear that I was talking about Irish nursing homes with examples of how patients pay to live in them.
What's with the LOL comment , something funny ?

The post i replied to didn't mention irish nursing homes.
The info i provided is from a nation where euthanasia is legal. Lol. AND as i wrote, the case was concluded in Jan of this year. Lol.

lazybones32 wrote: »

Read the first line. I'm on the phone so I CAN'T LINK. And it isn't up to me to teach you how to use the fcuking internet, is it?

Apparently though that does work the other way

I’m on the phone. Here’s a link.

www.google.com

I think the support for properly controlled euthanasia is wider than people think. The most religious person I know, my aged aunt came out in favour two christmases back. This woman is steadfastly anti abortion.

This was after a few sherries mind you but I know one of her parents had a slow lingering death. Years back. (She’s an in law so I didn’t really know them).

Country people are also used to the idea of not leaving an animal to die horribly but to “end the misery”, this logic can be easily applied to humans.

corner of hells wrote: »

Oh it did happen , I'm nearly certain it was Holland, it's the way it's trivialized by the poster by not providing details.
It's to go before a court not to prosecute but to seek clarity.

Trivialized? Moi?
I think it scary that a doctor decides to sedate a patient in order to kill them but to get her family members to hold her down too...and they comply.

Anything but trivial but i'm not a journalist, so i don't have to write reverently.

wakka12

Ever is a big word. Im sure at some stage..mabye not soon though. Abortion now, one step at a time..

server down wrote: »

I take it then there is no link or you can’t use a search engine. (Tip: search engines work on mobiles). It isn’t up to me or anybody else on this forum to prove your story.

You’ve already proven yourself to be the kind of man who laughs at a dying child though, so this failure is not surprising

Read the first line. I'm on the phone so I CAN'T LINK. And it isn't up to me to teach you how to use the fcuking internet, is it?

lazybones32 wrote: »

My disdain is for the poster, not the picture.
150,000 people, on average, die every day.
How many of them can be saved by me having sympathy or empathy or crying the most heartfelt tears that i'm capable of?

None. Nobody is asking you to cry for the deaths of the unknown. However you were not disdaining the poster, you said the picture was hilarious.

That means you found it funny.

server down wrote: »

lazybones32 wrote: »

Google it.
I'm on the phone, so i can't link and if i was on the laptop i wouldn't link. You are able to use search engines, so choose a few words and you'll find it if you want.

I take it then there is no link or you can’t use a search engine. (Tip: search engines work on mobiles). It isn’t up to me or anybody else on this forum to prove your story.

You’ve already proven yourself to be the kind of man who laughs at a dying child though, so this failure is not surprising

Oh it did happen , I'm nearly certain it was Holland, it's the way it's trivialized by the poster by not providing details.
It's to go before a court not to prosecute but to seek clarity.

server down wrote: »

the picture of a dying child in extreme pain, pain that contorts her so much her veins bulge - you find that hilarious?

That’s pretty sick.

My disdain is for the poster, not the picture.
150,000 people, on average, die every day.
How many of them can be saved by me having sympathy or empathy or crying the most heartfelt tears that i'm capable of?

lazybones32 wrote: »

Google it.
I'm on the phone, so i can't link and if i was on the laptop i wouldn't link. You are able to use search engines, so choose a few words and you'll find it if you want.

I take it then there is no link or you can’t use a search engine. (Tip: search engines work on mobiles). It isn’t up to me or anybody else on this forum to prove your story.

You’ve already proven yourself to be the kind of man who laughs at a dying child though, so this failure is not surprising

lazybones32 wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

In regard to the "wrong medication" comment and a resident dying ,that's astonishing , your hardly suggesting there's some form of collusion to and residents lives ?

In Jan this year, a female doctor was found to have acted "in good faith" after sedating a patient (slipped it in her coffee) and got family members to hold her down as she was euthanized - against her will.
The patient had expressed a desire for euthanasia but only "when i feel the time is right for me" but in the days prior to her death, she had indicated a clear desire to continue living. The doctor decided and the patients resistance was futile.

Collusion, you ask? Lol.

Your being very disingenuous posting that comment, that incident was in Holland about three years ago.
It's very clear that I was talking about Irish nursing homes with examples of how patients pay to live in them.
What's with the LOL comment , something funny ?