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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/921716470140325889

So Trump will open up the JFK files (how nice of him as they were legally to be declassified next week anyway), is it a diversion and would anything in them really surprise us do we think?

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Are Am Eye

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The shot was never the problem. It was shooting 3 bullets in 6 seconds using a bolt action gun, hard to use. Never mind the Magic bullet that barely got damaged after passing through Kennedy and Connolly.

I think the myth that that bullet was undamaged has been well and truly debunked. Wasn't based on fact.

The magic bullet's trajectory is also not so magical when they later factored in that Connolly was sitting a half bodies width more into the centre of the car than JFK behind him. Connolly was half turned to his left. JFK's seat was very slightly higher than Connolly's in the front. The angle of the shot from the Depository fits with these alignments.

Charmeleon

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The shot was never the problem. It was shooting 3 bullets in 6 seconds using a bolt action gun, hard to use. Never mind the Magic bullet that barely got damaged after passing through Kennedy and Connolly.

It wasn’t 3 bullets in six seconds, he had all the time in the world to line up the first shot. So if you are timing the rapid firing of the gun then the timer starts after the trigger is first pulled. 2 shots in the following 6 seconds. Some people have timed it and it may have been 8 seconds between the first and last shots.

There’s no ‘magic bullet’. It is simple physics. The bullet passed through JFK’s throat and exited without hitting any bones. That slowed the bullet down considerably before it entered Connolly’s back. The first bone it hit was the soft, thin bone of his rib cage on exit.

By then it was traveling at a fraction of the original speed because it was spinning after it left JFK and then entered Connolly lengthways. The first hard bone it hit was Connoly’s wrist and by then it was traveling at a low speed for a bullet. For bone to deform hard metal (the bullet had a full metal jacket), it has to be traveling very fast.

Cheerful Spring

Trump admin gives agencies until March 26, 2018 to release #JFK docs. This will be the documents, they will edit, review and blacken.

Cheerful Spring

Fox News: WH not releasing all #JFK docs, will only release 2,800, citing nat'l security concerns

Are Am Eye

Charmeleon wrote: »

It would be a much harder shot when he was traveling left to right across Oswald’s field of view. When JFK was moving in a straight line in front of the window he was also traveling downslope towards the underpass. The effect of moving away (upwards in the gunsight) was largely cancelled out by his moving downslope (downwards in the gunsight) so he appeared to be close to stationary for a time, from Oswald’s point of view.

Any of the ‘snipers couldn’t match Oswald’ type TV reconstructions usually have a car traveling on a flat surface, a much harder shot than Oswald had.

The shot Oswald chose was a very easy shot. His record in rifle shooting in the army shows he was unusual in actually improving in accuracy the faster he shot.

Was Oswald left handed? There seems to be conflicting claims on this - looking on the net. If he was a leftie, I think the shot to his left out the window would be a little awkward. If I'm not mistaken Oswald was facing roughly westward - so the Sun would not factor into either shot.

JeffKenna

Laois_Man wrote: »

It's quite unfortunate alright when your gun goes off by accident 3 times in 8.3 seconds and 2 of them, out of a crowd of hundreds, happen to hit the one person who is the US President

I would imagine he was referring to the "4th shot"

Cheerful Spring

Charmeleon wrote: »

It would be a much harder shot when he was traveling left to right across Oswald’s field of view. When JFK was moving in a straight line in front of the window he was also traveling downslope towards the underpass. The effect of moving away (upwards in the gunsight) was largely cancelled out by his moving downslope (downwards in the gunsight) so he appeared to be close to stationary for a time, from Oswald’s point of view.

The shot Oswald chose was a very easy shot. His record in rifle shooting in the army shows he was unusual in actually improving in accuracy the faster he shot.

The shot was never the problem. It was shooting 3 bullets in 6 seconds using a bolt action gun, hard to use. Never mind the Magic bullet that barely got damaged after passing through Kennedy and Connolly.

Laois_Man

NIMAN wrote: »

I used to read a lot about the case and always believed in the conspiracy theories, until I read a book called Case Closed by some guy Posner. It convinced me it was LHO who did it on his own.

Then lately I saw a documentary about a guy who has been researching it for decades and he thinks the secret service man in the car behind discharged his gun by accident and blew JFKs head off.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Case-Closed-Harvey-Oswald-Assassination/dp/1400034620/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1509055503&sr=8-1&keywords=posner+case+closed

It's quite unfortunate alright when your gun goes off by accident 3 times in 8.3 seconds and 2 of them, out of a crowd of hundreds, happen to hit the one person who is the US President

Charmeleon

mark_jmc wrote: »

I've been to the museum in Dallas and I can't comprehend why Oswald didn't shoot him when the motorcade was travelling towards the book depository but instead waited until they were moving away down toward the underpass- from the vantage point of the window in the building it was a more difficult shot to take

It would be a much harder shot when he was traveling left to right across Oswald’s field of view. When JFK was moving in a straight line in front of the window he was also traveling downslope towards the underpass. The effect of moving away (upwards in the gunsight) was largely cancelled out by his moving downslope (downwards in the gunsight) so he appeared to be close to stationary for a time, from Oswald’s point of view.

Any of the ‘snipers couldn’t match Oswald’ type TV reconstructions usually have a car traveling on a flat surface, a much harder shot than Oswald had.

The shot Oswald chose was a very easy shot. His record in rifle shooting in the army shows he was unusual in actually improving in accuracy the faster he shot.

buried

tomwaterford wrote: »

I don't see any benefit in covering up a conspiracy as those who partipated or benefitted will surly be dead/retired by now??

True. Barry Seal got 'retired' real good. Check that lad out.

NIMAN

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Shooting_holes_in_theory_that_a_Secret_Service_agent_killed_President_Kennedy.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/accidental-assassin-jfk-theory-alleges-secret-service-agent-fumbled-gun-f2D11634276

Cheerful Spring

Itssoeasy wrote: »

"time to Figure out what they want redacted" What have the agencies of the government been doing for 25 years exactly ? They knew this day was coming so if they wanted stuff redacted they had plenty of time to do so and state the reasons why.

They likely expected the President to delay the release! Don't forget the CIA and FBI lobbied the President to not release, he ignored them. Now just to be sure there is nothing in the files that can harm them they are stopping the release of some files.

Are Am Eye

NIMAN wrote: »

I used to read a lot about the case and always believed in the conspiracy theories, until I read a book called Case Closed by some guy Posner. It convinced me it was LHO who did it on his own.

Then lately I saw a documentary about a guy who has been researching it for decades and he thinks the secret service man in the car behind discharged his gun by accident and blew JFKs head off.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Case-Closed-Harvey-Oswald-Assassination/dp/1400034620/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1509055503&sr=8-1&keywords=posner+case+closed

Accidental discharge at the same moment LHO takes his shot?
Or was it the Agent's panicked or clumsy reaction to LHO's shots that caused him to fire.
Was there much/any evidence for this?

oppenheimer1

So some of the files are being withheld apparently.

The conspiracies will continue

Itssoeasy

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The U.S. government was in danger Thursday of missing the deadline to release a trove of previously classified records from the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, adding an unexpected twist to a saga already rife with rumors and conspiracies.

The law says the National Archives must release the 35,000 documents by midnight unless President Donald Trump objects on national security grounds. On Thursday evening, U.S. officials said that some material would be released, and other documents would be withheld to give agencies more time to figure out what they want redacted.

There you have it folks. 50 years later they still covering up this event.

"time to Figure out what they want redacted" What have the agencies of the government been doing for 25 years exactly ? They knew this day was coming so if they wanted stuff redacted they had plenty of time to do so and state the reasons why.

tomwaterford

I don't see any benefit in covering up a conspiracy as those who partipated or benefitted will surly be dead/retired by now??

Cheerful Spring

The U.S. government was in danger Thursday of missing the deadline to release a trove of previously classified records from the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, adding an unexpected twist to a saga already rife with rumors and conspiracies.

The law says the National Archives must release the 35,000 documents by midnight unless President Donald Trump objects on national security grounds. On Thursday evening, U.S. officials said that some material would be released, and other documents would be withheld to give agencies more time to figure out what they want redacted.

There you have it folks. 50 years later they still covering up this event.

NIMAN

I used to read a lot about the case and always believed in the conspiracy theories, until I read a book called Case Closed by some guy Posner. It convinced me it was LHO who did it on his own.

Then lately I saw a documentary about a guy who has been researching it for decades and he thinks the secret service man in the car behind discharged his gun by accident and blew JFKs head off.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Case-Closed-Harvey-Oswald-Assassination/dp/1400034620/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1509055503&sr=8-1&keywords=posner+case+closed

RobbingBandit

Nixon did it.

tomwaterford

branie2 wrote: »

Anyone here remember where they were when Kennedy was shot?

My da was like 2....so I was probably wrecking his head in a nightmare

Esel

tomwaterford wrote: »

Can he overwrite them??

They have copies.

branie2

Anyone here remember where they were when Kennedy was shot?

Kermit.de.frog

From the Independent

The JFK files aren't out yet but Russia has already denied it assassinated him

lol

Itssoeasy

tomwaterford wrote: »

Can he overwrite them??

The President of the United States can declassify anything he wants to.

Cheerful Spring

tomwaterford wrote: »

Can he overwrite them??

The files will be released, can't stop it now. The CIA and FBI must likely blackened out information they don't want to be seen by the public.

Cheerful Spring

JFK assassination files: CIA, FBI among agencies lobbying Trump to delay release of some files

There has been late lobbying by various agencies of the U.S. government asking President Trump to hold off on releasing some of the John F. Kennedy assassination documents.

The requests – some of which were registered a couple of months ago and some more recently -- come from agencies throughout the government including the CIA and FBI.

Some of the worry seems to center around documents created in the 1990's, when the congressional committee was crafting the legislation setting Thursday as the release date.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jfk-assassination-files-cia-fbi-among-agencies-lobbying-trump-to-delay-release-of-some-files/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=43983793

tomwaterford

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Oh look the CIA and FBI stepped in and stopped the release on schedule. We now get blackened out reports that will be no good to nobody.

NBC NEWS: Release of JFK files may be delayed as intelligence agencies failed to inform President Trump which files should be kept secret

https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/923647421040783368?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Can he overwrite them??

Cheerful Spring

https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/923649759776313355

RobbingBandit

Redacted a guberment spooks favorite phrase.

Cheerful Spring

Oh look the CIA and FBI stepped in and stopped the release on schedule. We now get blackened out reports that will be no good to nobody.

NBC NEWS: Release of JFK files may be delayed as intelligence agencies failed to inform President Trump which files should be kept secret

https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/923647421040783368?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet