TheDavester wrote: » Why don't more organisations hire more women if they are seen to be cheaper than males
VinLieger wrote: » The pay gap is a myth, none of the studies show like for like job comparisons and consistently misrepresent the facts by showing stats from across the board which doesn't work as statistically women simply work more lower paid jobs than men do.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » I don't understand how there can be an argument that someone who takes significant time out to start and raise a family, should still earn the same as their male and childless female colleagues when they come back.
political analyst wrote: » Isn't it the case that a woman who has children might get paid less because of maternity leave and parental leave at other times and working a reduced number of days for that reason?
political analyst wrote: » Isn't it the case that a woman who has children might get paid less because of maternity leave and parental leave at other times and working a reduced number of days for that reason? That's not discrimination; that's biology.
mikhail wrote: » I take your point, but just to play devil's advocate here, should we financially penalise people who raise families? There's an argument at the moment over women in that situation who've lost out on the state pension. Surely child-rearing is valuable to society? Should we have a state subvention for it?
kylith wrote: » Well fck women then, eh? They should have thought about their earning potential before they chose to be born as the only gender that can bear offspring.
irelandrover wrote: » Or the solution is to give men and women the same rights after the birth of a child. THere is no point hiring a man instead of a woman if they both can take 4 months off.
Why do women still earn a lot less than men? In the OECD, a group of rich and middle-income countries, median wages for women working full time are 85% of those for men. Why do women still earn so much less? Contrary to popular belief, it is not because employers pay women less than men for doing the same jobs. According to data from 25 countries, gathered by Korn Ferry, a consultancy, women earn 98% of the wages of men who are in the same roles at the same employers. Women, however, outnumber men in lower-tier jobs, such as secretarial and administrative roles, whereas men predominate in senior positions. And women cluster in occupations and industries that pay lower salaries overall. Primary-school teachers in the OECD, for example, earn nearly 20% less than the average for university graduates. In the European Union nearly 70% of working women are in occupations where at least 60% of employees are female. In America, the four jobs done by the biggest numbers of women—teacher, nurse, secretary and health aide—are all at least 80% female. The main reason why women are less likely than men to reach higher-level positions is that they are their children’s primary carers. In eight countries polled by The Economist and YouGov earlier this year, 44-75% of women with children living at home said they had scaled back at work after becoming mothers—by working fewer hours or by switching to a less demanding job, such as one requiring less travel or overtime. Only 13-37% of fathers said they had done so, and more than half of those men said their partner had also scaled back. This pattern means that men get a better shot at a pay rise or a promotion than their female colleagues, and are less likely to be in jobs for which they are overqualified. A recent study estimated that in America women’s future wages fall, on average, by 4% per child, and by 10% per child in the case of the highest-earning, most skilled white women. In Britain, a mother’s wages fall by 2% for each year she is out of the workforce, and by twice as much if she has good school-leaving qualifications. Women’s lower salaries mean that they often fall into poverty when they divorce or are widowed. Lack of financial independence prevents some from leaving abusive partners. Policies and workplace norms that make it easier for men to split parental duties equally with their partners can tip the scale. Parents, for their part, need to instil in their children the idea that they can be anything—and not only if they are girls. Gender equality will remain elusive until boys are as excited as girls about becoming teachers, nurses and full-time parents.
grahambo wrote: » It's this Effectively, it means if a woman wants to have children her career will suffer. Women who are pregnant or are on maternity leave are overlooked for promotion, salary reviews, additional responsibilities, new projects and career advancements in general, because "Ah sure she's finishing up in X months, and she'll be gone for another X months." This is even tougher on younger women as they haven't the bed rock of experience to deal with above bullsh*t. I think it's the reason alot of women in Ireland are having fewer children and doing it later in life. (Or not having them at all) The gas thing is that people don't actually realise, that if women stop having kids the population will decline. I think things are improving, but they fall far short of where they need to be.
o1s1n wrote: » How can an employer give a female employee a promotion/greater responsibilities etc if she's not going to be in the office? Those who are there working should be the ones to reap the benefits of their work. I know it can seem incredibly unfair to 'penalize' women for having children, but when it comes down to it, it's their choice to start a family. I think this is really being looked at from the wrong angle. It's not a work issue, but an issue with how we look at maternity/paternity leave. We need to allow more opportunity for fathers to take the same amount of time off for paternity leave or some form of mixed leave where both parents have an opportunity to share the responsibility.
Pac1Man wrote: » ... before they chose to have kids. Being a woman doesn't affect their earning potential. Having children and being away from the workplace does. Not all women have children. Those who don't have the same earning potential as their male counterparts.
kylith wrote: » It's also not as simple as 'women take time off to raise next generation, therefore earn less'. Men are more likely to get the job and be offered more money in experiments submitting the same CV with different names.https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/
noaddedsugar wrote: » But men have children at the same rate that women do? It takes two to make a baby? Surely we should be addressing why the majority of the responsibility for said child falls on the mother. If we share that responsibility equally between the two sexes then women wouldn't have to take as much time out and feel like they have to go part time so they can manage the responsibilities of both work, home and child rearing that seems to escape a lot of men.
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