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Where did you spend the recession?

Gone Drinking

I know a lot of people that went abroad when the recession hit. Some have dual passports now.

Most have settled in their new countries, they are planning to stay where they are but like the option to move around with either passport. If asked do they ever see the bottom falling out of the economy, of the country they're currently in they'll respond with "Sure if things ever go to **** here, we'll just go back to Ireland".

For those of us who stuck around, paid through our bollocks in Taxation, so this country wouldn't fold in on itself; why did we bother? We could have upped and left for a better life during the bad times.. well because if everyone did that, there wouldn't be a country to come back to.

Personally, i think there should be a passport levy. If you own an Irish passport and wish to keep use of it but are working and paying tax outside of Ireland for 3 years or more, you need to pay an annual charge. Something like 3 grand.

A lot of people who did stay here worked for less wages, in worse conditions, because it was an employers market in Ireland during the recession. As things start to pick up again here, we might see an influx of the fair weather workers coming back; maybe the government should introduce a scheme by where people who stuck around during the bad times should have first dibs at jobs over those who pulled a runner? Just an idea..

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MojoRisinnnn

Gone Drinking wrote: »

I know a lot of people that went abroad when the recession hit. Some have dual passports now.

Most have settled in their new countries, they are planning to stay where they are but like the option to move around with either passport. If asked do they ever see the bottom falling out of the economy, of the country they're currently in they'll respond with "Sure if things ever go to **** here, we'll just go back to Ireland".

For those of us who stuck around, paid through our bollocks in Taxation, so this country wouldn't fold in on itself; why did we bother? We could have upped and left for a better life during the bad times.. well because if everyone did that, there wouldn't be a country to come back to.

Personally, i think there should be a passport levy. If you own an Irish passport and wish to keep use of it but are working and paying tax outside of Ireland for 3 years or more, you need to pay an annual charge. Something like 3 grand.

A lot of people who did stay here worked for less wages, in worse conditions, because it was an employers market in Ireland during the recession. As things start to pick up again here, we might see an influx of the fair weather workers coming back; maybe the government should introduce a scheme by where people who stuck around during the bad times should have first dibs at jobs over those who pulled a runner? Just an idea..

I understand your point but there's no way in hell this is feasible, nor is taxing a person 3 grand for leaving the country. Everyone was free to go and that includes you so if you didn't like it you should have just left.

begbysback

I take it you spent it in the pub?

Gone Drinking

MojoRisinnnn wrote: »

so if you didn't like it you should have just left.

Imagine saying that to the people who died fighting for our right to a republic. The country would have literally collapsed if everyone ran because it was the EASIER thing to do.

joe stodge

In my celtic tiger apartment, marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet. Buried alive. Buried alive...

c_man

I think the government can learn a lot from the last recession. When the next one hits, all unemployed people should be cryogenically frozen in vast "citizen reserve" underground silos. They can then be thawed when the economy heats up to take the new jobs available.

No social agitation, no misery, no dole, no dole-bashers. Just 100,000's of people frozen and ready for work.

Neon_Lights

A passport levy good luck trying to enforce that... What you going to do if someone doesn't pay make them a persona non grata

I worked and studied all through the recession, and this nannystatism is why I'm leaving now. The same mistakes are being made. There will be another recession soon

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bear1

Gone Drinking wrote: »

I know a lot of people that went abroad when the recession hit. Some have dual passports now.

Most have settled in their new countries, they are planning to stay where they are but like the option to move around with either passport. If asked do they ever see the bottom falling out of the economy, of the country they're currently in they'll respond with "Sure if things ever go to **** here, we'll just go back to Ireland".

For those of us who stuck around, paid through our bollocks in Taxation, so this country wouldn't fold in on itself; why did we bother? We could have upped and left for a better life during the bad times.. well because if everyone did that, there wouldn't be a country to come back to.

Personally, i think there should be a passport levy. If you own an Irish passport and wish to keep use of it but are working and paying tax outside of Ireland for 3 years or more, you need to pay an annual charge. Something like 3 grand.

A lot of people who did stay here worked for less wages, in worse conditions, because it was an employers market in Ireland during the recession. As things start to pick up again here, we might see an influx of the fair weather workers coming back; maybe the government should introduce a scheme by where people who stuck around during the bad times should have first dibs at jobs over those who pulled a runner? Just an idea..

Are you mad?

ChikiChiki

Spent the recession in Ireland and worked throughout it for 7 years on a pay freeze. The recession has been over a few years now and I realised that the standard of living was not improving and will not improve for the average worker and decided to leave for Sydney at the start of this year. Stealth taxes, hospital inefficiencies, housing, insurance, shambolic public transport, all factors in my decisioning.

Cant say I regret moving. It really annoys me because Ireland has such good wasted potential.

Gone Drinking

Neon_Lights wrote: »

A passport levy good luck trying to enforce that... What you going to do if someone doesn't pay make them a persona non grata

I worked and studied all through the recession, and this nannystatism is why I'm leaving now. The same mistakes are being made. There will be another recession soon

You answered the first question yourself.

In regards to leaving after you've had a heavily subsidized, high level education; you're welcome. Enjoy your new life.

Neon_Lights

....... wrote: »

Got to have a boom first. Stay for that at least.

FF in power, give away budgets, remortgaging the 4th property to buy a Landrover Defender to drop the kids 50 metres to school in. Apartments in Bulgaria and banks phoning you offering you 75k that you never asked for. Good times.

Its already bad enough, house prices artificially inflated in urbania as per usual, swagger of the people on the street is definitely more self entitled and ignorant, ****e talk, ridiculous pricing. Welcome To Boom 2.0

Gone Drinking

bear1 wrote: »

Are you mad?

3 grand is peanuts to those I know who are working and earning abroad. Those aren't even professional jobs..

However, I get what you're saying. 3 was just a number off my head, I'd imagine they'll look at a few options before they introduce it

elperello

I took these guys at their word and paid up.

“Very many people will be paying both in money, in jobs and in other ways for a very considerable period of time, to pay the price of solving the problems of Irish banks,” the judges said.
“The vast majority of those persons had nothing to do with creating the problem. Yet they will be required to play their part in its solution to their cost.”
Commercial Court Ruling in the NAMA vs . McKillen Case November 1 2010
High Court President Mr. Justice Nicholas Kearns
Mr. Justice Peter Kelly
Mr. Justice Frank Clarke
Irish Times November 2 2010

Neon_Lights

Gone Drinking wrote: »

You answered the first question yourself.

In regards to leaving after you've had a heavily subsidized, high level education; you're welcome. Enjoy your new life.

Yeah which I'm taking advantage of, like the tax breaks, pensions and other deals which previous generations had that I won't get the chance to have...

You're speaking as if the government is a vessel of efficiency, the public sector is more of a lame myopic damp squib, governing pettily and poorly

Press_Start

Neon_Lights wrote: »

Its already bad enough, house prices artificially inflated in urbania as per usual, swagger of the people on the street is definitely more self entitled and ignorant, ****e talk, ridiculous pricing. Welcome To Boom 2.0

This is by no means a boom. Sure jobs are easier to come by and things are looking up. But the country is still crawling out of the sewer.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Gone Drinking wrote: »

I know a lot of people that went abroad when the recession hit. Some have dual passports now.

Most have settled in their new countries, they are planning to stay where they are but like the option to move around with either passport. If asked do they ever see the bottom falling out of the economy, of the country they're currently in they'll respond with "Sure if things ever go to **** here, we'll just go back to Ireland".

For those of us who stuck around, paid through our bollocks in Taxation, so this country wouldn't fold in on itself; why did we bother? We could have upped and left for a better life during the bad times.. well because if everyone did that, there wouldn't be a country to come back to.

Surely you mean for those of you who borrowed ridiclous amounts of money from corrupt bankin gand placed yourselves in a lifetime of debt...?

Personally, i think there should be a passport levy. If you own an Irish passport and wish to keep use of it but are working and paying tax outside of Ireland for 3 years or more, you need to pay an annual charge. Something like 3 grand.

In the off chance, that this is serious, it would be taken to the EU court of human rights for blocking or infirgining on peoples' right to travel, good luck with that.

A lot of people who did stay here worked for less wages, in worse conditions, because it was an employers market in Ireland during the recession. As things start to pick up again here, we might see an influx of the fair weather workers coming back; maybe the government should introduce a scheme by where people who stuck around during the bad times should have first dibs at jobs over those who pulled a runner? Just an idea..

As was their choice. Stick or twist.

Ireland as a population got itself into that mess and it got itself out. If it ever finds itself in a mess again, it will have only itself to blame and it will get itself out. I was careful with my money, never borrowed, never got into debt, so that then the **** hit the fan moving was an option and I took it.

Neon_Lights

Press_Start wrote: »

This is by no means a boom. Sure jobs are easier to come by and things are looking up. But the country is still crawling out of the sewer.

The problem is you have the same people in the same jobs doing the same thing or similar in another company. Making the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome.

bear1

Gone Drinking wrote: »

3 grand is peanuts to those I know who are working and earning abroad. Those aren't even professional jobs..

However, I get what you're saying. 3 was just a number off my head, I'd imagine they'll look at a few options before they introduce it

I left just before the recession hit fully.
I paid taxes in Ireland as well before that. I had a foreign girlfriend who is now my wife and we reside in Warsaw.
I have an Irish passport but I earn nothing like I would in Ireland.
So according to your plans I should then have to pay in Euro I might add for the benefit of having an Irish passport cause I didn't contribute to the bailout?

Neon_Lights

bear1 wrote: »

I left just before the recession hit fully.
I paid taxes in Ireland as well before that. I had a foreign girlfriend who is now my wife and we reside in Warsaw.
I have an Irish passport but I earn nothing like I would in Ireland.
So according to your plans I should then have to pay in Euro I might add for the benefit of having an Irish passport and didn't contribute to the bailouts?

OP: I SLEEP IN A RACING CAR DO YOU?

No I sleep in a bed with my wife

ace_irl

I was fortunate enough to be in school and then college for the majority of the recession but always with the goal of being able to leave for somewhere else, maybe it wont be a long term move, but definitely for a few years.

My family took a bad hit during it due to the nature of my dads industry, but not as bad as others, however I've watched him work unbelievably hard to support us and sacrifice so much so we could have these options. Moving abroad is an option that if you're in a position to take, you should. Ireland's not going anywhere and if you've worked hard you should do what's best for your life.

Emigration isn't exactly new either, we've literally been doing it for 100's of years.

Gone Drinking

The leavers get so defensive and upset because they know in their heart of hearts, they did what was best of themselves; selfishness got this country into trouble and it got people out of trouble also

Everyone's story is different. I didn't have a mortgage or borrow heavily. But there are people who did and upp'd sticks. They've had their cake and ate it, bit unfair no?

Countries revoke passports/visas all the time. I guess I'm suggesting that it's not good enough to just be born in Ireland to be Irish anymore.

Like I said, if everyone reacted the way the leavers did, there wouldn't be a country, we probably would never have even been a republic to begin with.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Gone Drinking wrote: »

The leavers get so defensive and upset because they know in their heart of hearts, they did what was best of themselves; selfishness got this country into trouble and it got people out of trouble also

It did. As I pointed out earlier.

Selfish is the act of demanding handouts and subsidies and enetitlements from other people.

Everyone's story is different. I didn't have a mortgage or borrow heavily. But there are people who did and up sticks. They've had their cake and ate it, bit unfair no?

Nope. We had our cake, washed our dishes and left.

Countries revoke passports/visas all the time. I guess I'm suggesting that it's not good enough to just be born in Ireland to be Irish anymore.

You want handouts from people who aren't Irish as well? Classy.

Like I said, if everyone reacted the way the leavers did, there wouldn't be a country, we probably would never have even been a republic to begin with.

I'd be comfortable with that. You don't deserve a republic. People died for your freedom and you sold it off for some magic beans.

whoopsadoodles

So you think we should charge people we forced out of the country to come back in?

Nope.

I stayed, btw.

irelandrover

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Imagine saying that to the people who died fighting for our right to a republic. The country would have literally collapsed if everyone ran because it was the EASIER thing to do.

Wouldnt the country have been a lot worse off if all those that left stayed and claimed the dole?

server down

Gone Drinking wrote: »

I know a lot of people that went abroad when the recession hit. Some have dual passports now.

Most have settled in their new countries, they are planning to stay where they are but like the option to move around with either passport. If asked do they ever see the bottom falling out of the economy, of the country they're currently in they'll respond with "Sure if things ever go to **** here, we'll just go back to Ireland".

For those of us who stuck around, paid through our bollocks in Taxation, so this country wouldn't fold in on itself; why did we bother? We could have upped and left for a better life during the bad times.. well because if everyone did that, there wouldn't be a country to come back to.

Personally, i think there should be a passport levy. If you own an Irish passport and wish to keep use of it but are working and paying tax outside of Ireland for 3 years or more, you need to pay an annual charge. Something like 3 grand.

A lot of people who did stay here worked for less wages, in worse conditions, because it was an employers market in Ireland during the recession. As things start to pick up again here, we might see an influx of the fair weather workers coming back; maybe the government should introduce a scheme by where people who stuck around during the bad times should have first dibs at jobs over those who pulled a runner? Just an idea..

This is moronic. The people leaving cost the country less in social welfare either by not taking it themselves or by not taking somebody else’s job - and in recessions there’s always a dearth of jobs. Utter nonsense.

elefant

Gone Drinking wrote: »

The leavers get so defensive and upset because they know in their heart of hearts, they did what was best of themselves; selfishness got this country into trouble and it got people out of trouble also

I'm not upset. I'm delighted you stayed and saved the country for me.

I look forward to returning in the good times to lord it over the loyal martyrs. Cheers lads!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Well, well, well, it traspires, we've been here before.

This reminded of another money-grabbing attempt at handouts and entitlement demands from people who'd acted wisely and worked hard by someone who'd whinged and begrudged and wanted to blame everyone else, so I did a little research, and guess who that was.....?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=99884016

bear1

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Well, well, well, it traspires, we've been here before.

This reminded of another money-grabbing attempt at handouts and entitlement demands from people who'd acted wisely and worked hard by someone who'd whinged and begrudged and wanted to blame everyone else, so I did a little research, and guess who that was.....?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=99884016

Seems like the OP has some serious animosity for the Irish that moved abroad.
Thread has been done just to get a rise out of people.. idiotic at best.

_Dara_

Eh, it takes ages to become a naturalised citizen in many countries. In the US, you're probably talking decades. I don't think it's easy to become an Australian citizen either. One girl I know became one but she had to demonstrate the her long-term partner who she was planning to marry was Australian.

For many who emigrated, Ireland is still their only country of citizenship.

Oh and by emigrating, they helped reduced the dole bill. Unless you think having more people sitting around on their hoops in Ireland, unable to build their careers, is a good thing?

Sephiroth_dude

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Personally, i think there should be a passport levy. If you own an Irish passport and wish to keep use of it but are working and paying tax outside of Ireland for 3 years or more, you need to pay an annual charge. Something like 3 grand.

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What a load of nonsense.