Donal55 wrote: » Maybe you're just unlucky but as a man, married with four girls from late 20s to late teens, I can categorically say NONE of the above has happened to them.
kylith wrote: » Hahahahahahaha Do you think I go telling my dad when some sleazebag's stuck his hand up my dress in a pub? What would be the point? What good would it do? He'd be angry and upset for no good reason.
kylith wrote: » It's sad when meeting a man that you need a guardian in case he attacks you.
neonsofa wrote: » I've had a group of men (in their 20s id say) walk behind me late at night and they actually discussed loudly how a "woman like her" shouldn't be out walking in the dark cause "men would be all over that". They found this hilarious. Discussed how if I was their "moth" they wouldn't even let me out in the daytime. All this kind of stuff. While I was alone and they were in a group behind me. They were clearly saying it loud enough for me to hear. God knows why, but they were getting some sort of entertainment from it. Was I supposed to turn around and tell them to **** off? Would they have accepted that and said "oh right sorry for that". Me against 7 or 8 men who were discussing me in that way? Sometimes you do have to just put safety first and hope they will go away and keep the key in your hand in case they don't. I get that the above example is more than just one man wolf whistling but sometimes one man can feel just as intimidating as a group, especially if they are being physical because you just don't know if It will escalate. It depends on the context. And for what it's worth I personally don't mind the odd wolf whistle but that's not really the point I guess.
professore wrote: » You lost me at patriarchal. Come back to me when you can discuss topics free of dogmatic religious add ideological belief systems.
kylith wrote: » The single biggest threat to women is men
Macmillan150 wrote: » Is there ANY woman here who hasn't been approached inappropriately in some way. The #metoo is to show that this is so so widespread. Men don't believe it unless it has happened to them. But men still don't believe it. The " not all men" thing is grand to hide behind and many men believe this stuff is done by only a few men. But it is done by many many many men.
Does my husband or dad know that I was 10 the first time a man grabbed my crotch ( or a thousand other incidences that happened along the way). No, because women do not talk about it.
Men don't think there's a problem. If there's no problem there's no need for s solution.
B0jangles wrote: » I'm sorry but you are 100% fooling yourself. I've never told my father about the various incidents of harassment/assault that have happened to me either - what would be the point? Like Kylith says, he'd just be angry and upset and to no useful purpose.
Donal55 wrote: » Your words; 'FOR NO GOOD REASON.'
Donal55 wrote: » They talk to their mother.
Wibbs wrote: » Again Men™ aren't bloody psychic. And you wonder why so many don't take this seriously? Unreal. Frankly this nonsense is really starting to give me a pain in my arse.
Wibbs wrote: » OK. So men are ignorant because women don't tell them? Whose "fault" is that? Jesus this is like the stereotype of the man asking a woman "is everything OK?" to be met with either stoney silence or "if you cared you'd know" and an ever increasing scowl, because we're not mind readers. Again Men™ aren't bloody psychic. And you wonder why so many don't take this seriously? Unreal. Frankly this nonsense is really starting to give me a pain in my arse.
kylith wrote: » Do you think we necessarily tell our mothers either? We don't, for the same reasons: they'd be upset and angry, and angry that there is nothing they can do about it.
professore wrote: » So basically it happens all the time to women but they NEVER tell the men in their lives about it. Well then they shouldn't be surprised that men don't believe it happens as much as you say it does here anonymously. And consent classes? They are the stupidest idea ever. About as stupid and insulting as teaching adults it's wrong to steal, cheat, lie etc.
B0jangles wrote: » As an aside I got talking to my own mother about this kind of stuff yesterday and we ended up swapping stories about the things that have happened to us, and you know, there really wasn't much difference between her youth and mine. It was quite depressing really.
kylith wrote: » Hahahahahahaha Do you think I go telling my dad when some sleazebag's stuck his hand up my dress in a pub? What would be the point? What good would it do? He'd be angry and upset for no good reason. Have you asked them if a man has ever made them feel intimidated, or has behaved inappropriately to them?
silverharp wrote: » the male version of that is having a bunch of scobies pretend to mug or attack you. Ive had a group stand in front of me when I was jogging, Ive had someone pretend to punch me, I had to just grit my teeth and move on and I probably havnt seen the half of it as I tend to avoid rough areas. lets face it there is small minority that make it difficult for both sexes to go about their life in safely.
suicide_circus wrote: » You've clearly been through a lot and have come out the other side understandably broken and bitter.
Hooks Golf Handicap wrote: » The other side is the undermining the accused right to a fair defense.
B0jangles wrote: » professore wrote: » So basically it happens all the time to women but they NEVER tell the men in their lives about it. Well then they shouldn't be surprised that men don't believe it happens as much as you say it does here anonymously. And consent classes? They are the stupidest idea ever. About as stupid and insulting as teaching adults it's wrong to steal, cheat, lie etc. Lol, read the thread. Women aren't believed when they do tell, so after a while you learn not to waste the time and effort. Problem goes right back to being ignored, everyone's happy!
B0jangles wrote: » Wibbs, poster after poster has decribed incidents where this kind of stuff has happened to them and you, and many other posters keep talking it down.
Is it any wonder women just don't tell the men in their lives about it any more - what's the bloody point?
professore wrote: » I'm 46. My mother has told me stuff about creepy men. Another poster talked about a creepy uncle. Do you really believe I would believe my brother over my daughters? Really????? I would like to think if any man ever tried weird **** with my wife or daughters they would tell me. In fact I'd be extremely disappointed in them if they didn't. And they have on a few occasions. No one is saying this doesn't happen. Of course it does. What I am saying is by saying nothing you are part of the problem.
B0jangles wrote: » Aaaaaand, there it is. If all else fails you're a broken and bitter harpy who just HATES ALL MEN. Anything to avoid acknowledging that there is a problem.
anewme wrote: » When you have men believing that young girls (teenagers) from a very young age set out to manipulate adult men using sex, this kind of behaviour is condoned instead of being stamped out.
