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#MeToo has caught on, good thing or bad thing ?

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One side of the argument is that it empowers the victim to come forward, the ground swell of public opinion seems to be behind them.

The other side is the undermining the accused right to a fair defense.

What says Boards ?, a good thing or a bad thing.

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[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

That's a huge if, though.

And it's hardly a safe space nor a very constructive one bytimes.

And I mean.....what's 'sexual harrassment' (not a question you'd be well advised to ask anywhere in public in these circumstances but it's kind of crucial to the debate)

But if there's even just one person that feels able to talk about their assault because of this campaign, then surely it's a good thing?

__..__

Jesus I'm just back after lunch and the conversation in here has moved on from what i described before. The women are now encouraging each other to pull from the depths of their memories when they have been sexually harassed, because some of them can't remember. It's frightening. I wish I could close my ears because I dare not comment.

retro:electro

TheDavester wrote: »

People are going to trivialize it - is wolf whistling assault really? Will a fella asking a woman on a date now be harassement-assault?

It’s going down a slippery slope by the 3rd wave feminists , sjws and social media bandwagoners trivializing real assault cases and not I was wolf whistled at

I don't mind being wolf whistled at. Harmless, imo. I would never put in on a par with being assaulted. That's just barmy.

DeanAustin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But if there's even just one person that feels able to talk about their assault because of this campaign, then surely it's a good thing?

I get that point of view, I really do. But two points:

1. Is it worth one person being able to talk about their assault if 10 more are falsely accused?
2. What’s wrong with actually talking to a friend, family member or The Samaritans (for example) about it? Ultimately, they’re the people who will help you through it. This is a real issue, it’s real life and has to be dealt with in the real world. Posting something on Facebook is not the answer in my view.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But if there's even just one person that feels able to talk about their assault because of this campaign, then surely it's a good thing?

Nothing sure about that, depending on the general damage done in the murkiness!

[Deleted User]

DeanAustin wrote: »

I get that point of view, I really do. But two points:

1. Is it worth one person being able to talk about their assault if 10 more are falsely accused?
2. What’s wrong with actually talking to a friend, family member or The Samaritans (for example) about it? Ultimately, they’re the people who will help you through it. This is a real issue, it’s real life and has to be dealt with in the real world. Posting something on Facebook is not the answer in my view.

I don't know.

I don't agree with it, but I'm not against it either.

Something that has to be remembered is that people would be comfortable with different means of communicating. Some people find going on Twitter/social media easier than communicating with friends and family members directly.

It's easier to ask "what's wrong with..." when you're not in that situation and you're not that person.

conorhal

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I think we are at that stage.
One of the girls at work said today that she likes getting wolf whistles. Well I couldn't believe the attack on her by the other women . It was savage. Poor girl will never say that again I can tell you.

Never threaten to undermine the weaponized victimhood deployed by power grabbing opportunists to lord it over others, it might spoil their neo-McCarthyite witch/reds/men burning frenzy.

jo2509

anna080 wrote: »

I don't mind being wolf whistled at. Harmless, imo. I would never put in on a par with being assaulted. That's just barmy.

Totally agree.

I'm female by the way, if that's relevant.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

But if there's even just one person that feels able to talk about their assault because of this campaign, then surely it's a good thing?

No. It certainly isn't. 1 person to be able to talk about it vs the countless "celebs" using it as a way to stay in headlines with baseless and vague comments is nowhere near worth it.

This hashtag movement is doing nothing except trivialising a horrendous act.

jo2509

Deleted User wrote: »

No. It certainly isn't. 1 person to be able to talk about it vs the countless "celebs" using it as a way to stay in headlines with baseless and vague comments is nowhere near worth it.

This hashtag movement is doing nothing except trivialising a horrendous act.

Not even 'celebs'.
I've seen umpteen 'had my ass pinched in break for the border #metoo' style bandwagoning attention seeking tweets.

SEPT 23 1989

I have no idea what this thread is about

kg703

It's a strange one because it'll give attention seekers an excellent platform to voice their newfound misery. To be honest though - while I see the point of it, what women can honestly say she has never had someone be sexually inappropriate or on the end of ridiculous sexist behaviour? I for one don't know any!

I would say most have had their arse slapped or grabbed in a nightclub, had the t*ts groped by a random person, had people try to hold their face while they tried to kiss them, been treated like a dinner lady when you are a professional in work??? All of the above are on my list but I'm not traumatised by any of it. Anyone who has touched me has received a swift fist straight to face (and then Im the one kicked out of a bar haha!)

Im really in two minds about the whole thing, I mean no one has the right to touch anyone. Ive no problem with someone whistling or complimenting me though as long as they are hands off and not disgusting about it? Ive seen sob stories on my facebook though about girls who once had their arse grabbed ten years ago and now treating it like they now need counselling. Maybe it will make drunk lads think twice before they stick the feelers out though.

monkeybutter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxuUkYiaUc8

noaddedsugar

jo2509 wrote: »

Not even 'celebs'.
I've seen umpteen 'had my ass pinched in break for the border #metoo' style bandwagoning attention seeking tweets.

But should women have to put up with having their asses pinched? I remember as a teen on the school bus when there was no seats and I had to stand the guys used to pinch my ass all the time. It was humiliating, I was a quiet teen, not really into guys and I didn't feel like I could stand up to a group of guys by myself who were touching me and discussing my ass. I hated it, by the time I got to the bus there was hardly ever seats left and I used to dread it.

And wolf whistles, I have been wolf whistled and had comments in front of my children. It is just completely inappropriate and pointless, I don't understand what these guys hope to achieve by it.

[Deleted User]

Seemingly men are being harrassed online for also using #MeToo. Seemingly we are not allowed to talk about our own sexual assaults ..

AnneFrank

kg703 wrote: »

It's a strange one because it'll give attention seekers an excellent platform to voice their newfound misery. To be honest though - while I see the point of it, what women can honestly say she has never had someone be sexually inappropriate or on the end of ridiculous sexist behaviour? I for one don't know any!

I would say most have had their arse slapped or grabbed in a nightclub, had the t*ts groped by a random person, had people try to hold their face while they tried to kiss them, been treated like a dinner lady when you are a professional in work??? All of the above are on my list but I'm not traumatised by any of it. Anyone who has touched me has received a swift fist straight to face (and then Im the one kicked out of a bar haha!)

Im really in two minds about the whole thing, I mean no one has the right to touch anyone. Ive no problem with someone whistling or complimenting me though as long as they are hands off and not disgusting about it? Ive seen sob stories on my facebook though about girls who once had their arse grabbed ten years ago and now treating it like they now need counselling. Maybe it will make drunk lads think twice before they stick the feelers out though.

i agree with all this, but let's be fair, lot's of men have had their arse's pinched and bums slapped by groups of women too, the talk of sex and drooling over people in my office is all done by women !!

Purple Mountain

jo2509 wrote: »

Totally agree.

I'm female by the way, if that's relevant.

God I should be so lucky to get a whistle!
For what it's worth is it OK for me to whistle a guy?

TheDavester

monkeybutter wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxuUkYiaUc8

More realistic than intended

AnneFrank

noaddedsugar wrote: »

But should women have to put up with having their asses pinched? I remember as a teen on the school bus when there was no seats and I had to stand the guys used to pinch my ass all the time. It was humiliating, I was a quiet teen, not really into guys and I didn't feel like I could stand up to a group of guys by myself who were touching me and discussing my ass. I hated it, by the time I got to the bus there was hardly ever seats left and I used to dread it.

And wolf whistles, I have been wolf whistled and had comments in front of my children. It is just completely inappropriate and pointless, I don't understand what these guys hope to achieve by it.

they are morons let's be honest, but i wouldn't class them as abusers either

[Deleted User]

AnneFrank wrote: »

they are morans let's be honest, but i wouldn't class them as abusers either

Fuppin' Morans. I knew one once. He was a bit of a c*nt.

jo2509

noaddedsugar wrote: »

But should women have to put up with having their asses pinched?

No of course not. It shouldn't happen, and men shouldn't feel like they are entitled to do it. But (in my opinion) having ones ass pinched is not sexual assault. It's not nice, but it's not assault.

lawred2

AnneFrank wrote: »

they are morans let's be honest, but i wouldn't class them as abusers either

what did the Morans ever do to you?

#morons

NIMAN

Please let me be #metoo.

I'm still waiting on someone to sexually proposition me.

kg703

AnneFrank wrote: »

i agree with all this, but let's be fair, lot's of men have had their arse's pinched and bums slapped by groups of women too, the talk of sex and drooling over people in my office is all done by women !!

100% right!!!

Barry Badrinath

I dont think its a bad thing, sexual abuse is dispicable and anyone who experiences it, should speak out.

However, I wager we will need a fcuking huge bandwagon for all the attention seekers to hop on to.

The ones who make sh1t up and cheapen the experiences of the real victims.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Fuppin' Morans. I knew one once. He was a bit of a c*nt.

Kevin was alright.

jo2509

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

The ones who make sh1t up and cheapen the experiences of the real victims.

I was just thinking to myself, if i were a victim of rape/serious sexual assault/abuse, and some attention wh0re on social media was trying to equate their ass pinching experience with mine, i'd be pretty f*cked off.

lawred2

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

I dont think its a bad thing, sexual abuse is dispicable and anyone who experiences it, should speak out.

However, I wager we will need a fcuking huge bandwagon for all the attention seekers to hop on to.

The ones who make sh1t up and cheapen the experiences of the real victims.

maybe it's a 'what's wrong with me - nobody has ever abused me - am I not attractive??' type mentality...

weak people never want to be left out of anything

Penn

lawred2 wrote: »

maybe it's a 'what's wrong with me - nobody has ever abused me - am I not attractive??' type mentality...

weak people never want to be left out of anything

lawred2

Penn wrote: »

oh good lord

selective withholding of sexual harassment

that's a Rubicon moment