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Unconscious Gender Bias

The_Valeyard

Just heard this on the news.
What in the name of mental gymnastics is this?
Is it a genuine term or one of these new makey up conditions.

Its in relation to the new CSO figures released today on gender roles. Some interesting stats relating to stay at home dads, education, jobs and wages.

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Are Am Eye

I think this is where a man has been clubbed over the head and knocked out and then in receipt of unfair and unearned favouritism.

antodeco

Basically it's where you unconsciously judge someone based on their gender. (Eg: Why would I hire a female for this mechanics job? It's a male profession)

Unconscious race bias is where you automatically assume judge someone from a particular race (eg: Don't hire a Nigerian for a bank as he will try scam people).

myshirt

You might be a misogynist and not even know it.

It's this intentionally androcratic society that all us men are complicit in. The secret is out.

What a crock of sh't.

[Deleted User]

It's this thing that humans have done for millions of years, but now it means you're a horrible person.

Wibbs

If I'm being honest with myself I'd exhibit some gender biases. Not in work/career related area, though again TBH if I was hiring I'd probably be wary of women who might be at an age where a family is on the horizon. Simply because I'd be thinking of the bottom line and a good worker lost for a period of time and the need for a replacement. Depends entirely on the size of the company mind you. A small business would be hit much harder than a large corporation. And the nature of the work too. Many careers could be pursued around young kids. But overall I'd have no job/career bias, unless it involved repeated heavy lifting, though I'd be just as biased agin a weedy looking bloke in the same setup.

In other areas? I would give more leeway to women than men on emotional grounds as a general rule. That would be my main bias. Another one is that I generally find and expect the average woman to be more practical and TBH more intelligence than the average man. Though at the very top(and bottom) end of smarts I have found more men in that zone. I'd expect more passive aggression and emotional "trickery" by women than men, but more physical aggression with men. Those have been my experiences, YMMV. Maybe I have other unconscious biases, I probably do, but none spring readily to mind.

And of course we all have biases of different sorts. Race, gender, age, politics, religion(or no), class, educational status, culture etc. Many are sinners, but almost nobody gets out smelling of sainthood either, no matter what they claim.

bodice ripper

Of course unconscious gender bias is a thing. For everybody. What sort of self congratulatory loon would you need to be to believe that you have escaped it?

It's up there with "I don't see race". Fuuuck off.

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antodeco wrote: »

Basically it's where you unconsciously judge someone based on their gender. (Eg: Why would I hire a female for this mechanics job? It's a male profession)

I've never seen a female worker collecting wheeliebins.

Working class heroes

Omackeral wrote: »

I've never seen a female worker collecting wheeliebins.

I've never seen a female putting rubbish in one...

Permabear

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Tigger

antodeco wrote: »

Basically it's where you unconsciously judge someone based on their gender. (Eg: Why would I hire a female for this mechanics job? It's a male profession)

Unconscious race bias is where you automatically assume judge someone from a particular race (eg: Don't hire a Nigerian for a bank as he will try scam people).

well i'm gonna say that i here this far more from women than men
women comment on women and on men and the appropriatriness of their occupation far more than men do
men comment on wheterer they would or they wouldnt

wakka12

Men and women are different in many ways, physically and mentally.No two ways about that. If differences do exist betweeen them then obviously bias will also exist and it will be impossible to eliminate it

Wibbs

wakka12 wrote: »

Men and women are different in many ways, physically and mentally.No two ways about that. If differences do exist betweeen them then obviously bias will also exist and it will be impossible to eliminate it

For me, I'd say differences among people are more marked than by gender. That's what I've found anyway. I have found broad gender diffs in my experience, but individuals vary. A lot. EG in my own life the most Sheldon Cooper near spectrum(if not actually) behaviour and attitude I've ever met was a woman and about the most emotionally flakey was a man.

"Race"?. I think of culture far more. EG I would have far more in common with a Black/Asian/Italian/Polish born and bred Dubliner than I would with a White Zimbabwean. Or Frenchman. Would I think that different human populations with different environmental stresses over thousands of years might exhibit different responses to such stresses that may come out as an average as "cultural"? Yes, TBH. It's largely an unspoken debate and for obvious bloody reasons, considering the obscene treatment of people according to "race"(including the Irish) in the past and down to today. However if we acknowledge local physical adaptations to local environments, it seems daft to ignore the possibility of local mental and cultural adaptations to local environments.

[Deleted User]

I'll be honest, my interest in watching women playing sports is limited. Have seen the odd great tennis match, one thinks of the Navratilova, Evert, Graf era. And women's athletics can be great. But Gaelic football, camogie, soccer, golf, boxing, the recent efforts to push women's rugby on us because we won a match 2 or 3 years ago and it's all RTE can afford...not for me.

I guess that's an unconscious gender bias there.

Permabear

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Permabear wrote: »

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In the case of rugby it's probably because they dream of marrying some guy named Bod or Rodge or that Kearney guy.

There, more unconscious gender bias!

Outlaw Pete

Maybe with regards to expectations but I find I treat both sexes the same, to the degree that I often get pulled up on in it. I hold doors open for everyone and am, I think at least, nice to everyone, unless they give me reason not to be. If I am angry with someone, how I express it doesn't depend on what gender they are. I find that a lot of people (men and women) that say they are against sexism, actually want and engage in a huge amount of it.

I talked about this in tGC but I find what kind of secondary school someone attended (with regards to if it was single sex or mixed) has a lot to do with a person's gender bias. Before secondary school I put girls on a pedestal as I guess I bought into the whole Sugar and Spice nonsense (maybe even the Snails and puppy dogs' tails bit too) but then I went to a community college and mother be holy, I was suddenly sitting beside girls that were farting, being sexually explicit (about Bros mainly) and were stabbing each other with compasses and that was just the first morning.

I of course have some gender bias but not unfair or unrealistic ones. People that think either gender have the monopoly on almost anything bugs the fcuk out of me and of course you have certain people claiming gender bias where there is none and that's a whole other minefield. Truth be told I'm too old to be even thinking about this stuff now. Good luck young people. You've inherited a hot potatoe which has been baking away now for around 40 years or so. Bon appetit.

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We wouldn’t know if we unconscious biases would we? Once they surface they are conscious.

Greenmachine

It not a new thing op. Is it something to worry about maybe, maybe not. Whether that bias affects the frame of your thought or those behaviours in a given situation would determine that. I almost always take out the trash rather than my missus. Incidentally, it is herself who is a huge F1, fan, but she scoffed when I asked if I asked if she would watch a female F1 driver. "Who would, want to watch that" were her words
I am sure I have my own unconscious biases myself. If I named them they wouldn't them, they would be unconscious.

Irish Guitarist

Should that not be subconscious?

[Deleted User]

Am I the only one that's kind saddened when I see the likes of women in the ufc?..women fighting..its just not right..

kstand

Well I really need to check my white privilege first before I can even start to consider this.

Malayalam

Don't worry. There will be classes for it. Courses that all children will be obliged to take in school and they will be properly sorted out before long, and gender bias (:rolleyes:) will die out with us dinosaurs. I foresee an industry in it, lots of work for counsellors, activists, analysts, media personnel, administrators, lobbyists, etc etc - one with bridging potential to the recently spawned (and sprawling) hormones / intervention for children industry.

whiskeyman

Always found this interesting...

A man and his son are driving in a car one day, when they get into a fatal accident. The man is killed instantly. The boy is knocked unconscious, but he is still alive. He is rushed to hospital, and will need immediate surgery. The doctor enters the emergency room, looks at the boy, and says...
"I can't operate on this boy, he is my son."

So, the question is, how is this possible?

The answer is simple: the doctor is the boy's mother. This riddle has been told for a long time, to illustrate how common gender stereotypes are in our society. What's fun, is to tell this to closet feminists like my mother or sister, and watch them fail to get past the stereotype of thinking "doctor" implies "man".

[Deleted User]

I despise getting served by a man at a deli. Women choose to work at a deli, men end up there because it's all they could get. :pac:
Seriously though, 90% of men working at delis are just so bloody slow, awkward and stingy with fillings.

tea and coffee

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I despise getting served by a man at a deli. Women choose to work at a deli, men end up there because it's all they could get. :pac:
Seriously though, 90% of men working at delis are just so bloody slow, awkward and stingy with fillings.

The implication being that it's ok for a woman to choose a badly paid menial job but not a man.

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whiskeyman wrote: »

Always found this interesting...

A man and his son are driving in a car one day, when they get into a fatal accident. The man is killed instantly. The boy is knocked unconscious, but he is still alive. He is rushed to hospital, and will need immediate surgery. The doctor enters the emergency room, looks at the boy, and says...
"I can't operate on this boy, he is my son."

So, the question is, how is this possible?

The answer is simple: the doctor is the boy's mother. This riddle has been told for a long time, to illustrate how common gender stereotypes are in our society. What's fun, is to tell this to closet feminists like my mother or sister, and watch them fail to get past the stereotype of thinking "doctor" implies "man".

Must try that with my 7 year old niece. Bet she’ll get it.

tritium

Is unconscious gender bias a thing? Yes, pretty well established too One of lots of unconscious biases everyone has.

What grates with me about it though is how a bunch of folks in an ivory tower have misrepresented it as something that only negatively affects one group and only positively affects another group.

An example would be the tender years doctrine (and the related notion that women are better/more capable parents then men? Unconscious gender bias (as a dad this one really grates with me)

Another one; te idea that men are 'always up for it' or women cant be capable of unprovoked domestic violence- unconscious gender bias, but one that has influenced police and legal thinking.

There's lots (more on both sides). Unfortunately the term has become somewhat hijacked in recent years. Actually even the notion that unconscious gender bias has a disproportionately negative effect on one group over another would tend to be unconscious gender bias rather than any empirical finding.

givyjoe

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You sexist pig bear!

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tea and coffee wrote: »

The implication being that it's ok for a woman to choose a badly paid menial job but not a man.

Not really, women just tend to do so more often. Also men who choose menial jobs tend to pick "manlier" ones than working at a deli counter.

weldoninhio

tea and coffee wrote: »

The implication being that it's ok for a woman to choose a badly paid menial job but not a man.

Yeah, like all those female bin-persons and lackeys on building sites.