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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 4) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match
The last thread was nearing the 10k post limit so here's part 4.

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Lukker-

Deleted User wrote: »

Artem's fighting at the weekend and once again it seems Conor played no role in his camp.

I know he helps Artem and co in other ways but in terms of training it seems everybody in SBG drops everything to help Conor with his camps, and then when they have their own fights he's in a boat somewhere. If they're okay with it I guess it's none of my business but I think Conor's success and the disruption he causes is partly the reason why SBG in general haven't really lived up to their promise and are still at the level of a mediocre small-country gym.

If we think back to the Swanson fight, Kavanagh wasn't even in Lobov's corner because he was busy doing a book tour in Australia.

Maybe he's just not a good training partner? Many top fighters aren't, you have to be selfish at the top, how many top fighters are? Most of the top guys build their camp around them and that's it.

I don't even think Conor trains that much between camps, so he's hardly going to be a sparring partner.

Wasn't the Kavangh/Australia thing done to death??
Look he's head coach, he's not going to be there every time. The book tour was booked well in advance of Artem getting the Cub fight, he can't cancel a 3 week book tour/multiple seminars because a fighter get's a fight and it doesn't suit. The bulk of his work would have been done in camp, including the gameplan. The lads who cornered him have plenty of experience, having John in his corner wouldn't have made a difference to the outcome of the fight at that stage.

[Deleted User]

Artem's fighting at the weekend and once again it seems Conor played no role in his camp.

I know he helps Artem and co in other ways but in terms of training it seems everybody in SBG drops everything to help Conor with his camps, and then when they have their own fights he's in a boat somewhere. If they're okay with it I guess it's none of my business but I think Conor's success and the disruption he causes is partly the reason why SBG in general haven't really lived up to their promise and are still at the level of a mediocre small-country gym.

If we think back to the Swanson fight, Kavanagh wasn't even in Lobov's corner because he was busy doing a book tour in Australia.

Mellor

Not sure where to post this, here seems the most relevant

http://www.instagram.com/p/Baata_-Dvvq/

kwestfan08

Gamebred wrote: »

I'd agree Conor is a legit champ now, although if there isnt a defence booked by the time a year from MSG rolls around next week he should be stripped, no injuries no excuses defend or vacate.

Id agree with this. Doesn't even need a date, they could do it like when they announced Bisping and GSP, have a press conference and just announce the opponent. As long as I know a fight is in the pipeline I'm happy.

Gamebred

I'd agree Conor is a legit champ now, although if there isnt a defence booked by the time a year from MSG rolls around next week he should be stripped, no injuries no excuses defend or vacate.

yourdeadwright

mdwexford wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Tony Ferguson is the real champion, he has a crazy win streak in the LW division. Conor has beat 1 person at LW in UFC in Alvarez, who has some questionable decision wins and beat Dos Anjos after a bad weight cut.

Dream on.

Deleted User wrote: »

Barboza, Vannata, Dos Anjos, Kevin Lee are his past 4 wins......... :rolleyes:

He also wins via Sub, KO and Decision, man is a true champion.

Exactly.

Dos Anjos the only one who's been near a belt.

Conor will KO him in round 1.

I thnk Ferguson is a really tuff fight
but the above is correct, Conor is the True champ he beat the guy to be the guy ,
Ferguson beat only really RDA who is top level That was on points and after he moved up as he was struggling with the weight cut, Kevin Lee isn't even close to top 5

akelly02

wonderfullife wrote: »

Been a bit quiet lately dealing with some personal issues but I'll throw in 2 cents while I have access to internet and hopefully I'll be back posting regularly soon

I think Conor's cardio is only about 20% of the problem of why he gasses.

He went the full 15 minutes with Max Holloway (he set a ludicrous pace in round 1), he was fresh going into round 2 and, despite the injury, he ended the fight looking pretty fresh.

Contrast that to both Diaz fights where his mouth was wide open taking deep breaths during the middle of the 2nd round. I find that interesting because he threw more strikes in 6 minutes against Max than he did in 8 and a half minutes against Nate, so logically he shouldn't have gassed sooner.

The key difference between the Holloway fight and the 3 fights where Conor gassed (Diaz 1,2 & Floyd) is that all 3 opponents tried to walk Conor down but he was only able to take one of them down (and hold them down) to get a breather - and that was Holloway.

When Max started to shell up and walk him down, Conor felt confident enough in his top game to take him down and control him. He didn't really look to pass guard but he was able to get a long breather and, crucially, deter Max from walking him down again.

Whereas with Floyd he couldn't do it (boxing rules) and with Nate he wouldn't do it because he was too worried Nate would submit him off his back. It was sort of funny but every time Conor dropped Nate with a punch, John & Owen were screaming at Conor to avoid Nate on the ground like the plague.

The threat of a takedown was an important weapon earlier in Conor's career whether it was Buchinger, Holloway etc. it would make his opponent think twice about walking him down because the threat of a takedown was very real and that can be enough to slow forward pressure against him.

Put it another way - Conor was absolutely cruising in round 2 against Nate in both fights UNTIL Nate stopped throwing punches. I don't think that's a coincidence. He was hitting Nate at will with crisp counters but as soon as those counters were not available to him, Conor seemed to throw a lot of panic punches to try get Nate to back up.

Slightly harsh to say this given it's a different sport but he did the exact same thing in the Floyd fight - as soon as Floyd started walking him down, Conor started throwing 6 and 7 punch combos to try get him to back away, but they were panic punches with no "design" behind them.

Imagine every punch Conor throws is a pawn on a chess board. When Conor is dominating a fight, he uses his pawns wisely, because he's setting them up for an attack with his bigger weapons. Whereas aganst Floyd & Nate, when the forward pressure came Conor just frantically moved pawns forward with no plan behind it. In the end, you just end up down a few pieces and in big trouble.

In plain English, a huge % of the shots he threw against Floyd & Nate in response to this forward pressure were meaningless shots because they either had no power behind them or, worse, no plan behind them.

I strongly suspect Conor's problem isn't strictly a cardio issue but obviously if there is a small issue he's not helping himself going on crazy benders ending up in treehouses or random hotels with nitrous oxide canisters all over the place...

I think the major issue he faces is that he hasn't figured out how to combat sustained forward pressure when taking his opponent down isn't an option - and that is a massive problem he has to fix quickly because Ferguson will walk him down from round 2 onwards and I suspect Conor won't be comfortable in Tony's guard.

Basically Conor could have a Mo Farah-level gas tank and he'll still gas if he continues to panic when dealing with forward pressure. Conor was, is and always will be a bully-fighter. He's insanely good when he's controlling the pace of a contest but very few lessons were learned from Diaz 1 & 2 because the same mistakes were repeated in the Floyd contest.

TL;DR: Conor & his team urgently need to address how he handles that forward pressure style. There are 2 options I can see to try resolve this:

Option 1.: Drill every single day with Dillon Danis, Richie Smullen, Gunnar Nelson (if available) in top-control. Hell, given he's super rich, maybe pay a good few quid to get Shinya Aoki into the camp or if he's busy try a strict BJJ guy like Keenan Cornelius, Rafa Mendes, Kron Gracie involved.

Take all ego out of the equation, take them down and tell them to really attack for submissions off their backs. Conor doesn't have to try pass guard or go for a submission but at an elite level in MMA he 100% needs the confidence to maintain top control for 60 or 90 seconds against anyone - even Nate, even Ferguson - in order to get a breather.

If he has the threat of a takedown, it will help stop opponents walking him down. Even Tyron Woodley had a realistic level-change threat against Maia and Maia is a wizard on the ground but the threat was still enough to get Maia's attention.

Conor needs that option back in his game. Takedowns are a monumental part of MMA, and the threat of a takedown can alter the flow of a fight. He simply has to have that threat going for him.

Option 2. Keep KO'ing people in Round 1 and lay off the vodka in between fights.

Vodka and coke haha had to say it

Lukker-

Option 3: EPO

wonderfullife

darced wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Been a bit quiet lately dealing with some personal issues but I'll throw in 2 cents while I have access to internet and hopefully I'll be back posting regularly soon

I think Conor's cardio is only about 20% of the problem of why he gasses.

He went the full 15 minutes with Max Holloway (he set a ludicrous pace in round 1), he was fresh going into round 2 and, despite the injury, he ended the fight looking pretty fresh.

Contrast that to both Diaz fights where his mouth was wide open taking deep breaths during the middle of the 2nd round. I find that interesting because he threw more strikes in 6 minutes against Max than he did in 8 and a half minutes against Nate, so logically he shouldn't have gassed sooner.

The key difference between the Holloway fight and the 3 fights where Conor gassed (Diaz 1,2 & Floyd) is that all 3 opponents tried to walk Conor down but he was only able to take one of them down (and hold them down) to get a breather - and that was Holloway.

When Max started to shell up and walk him down, Conor felt confident enough in his top game to take him down and control him. He didn't really look to pass guard but he was able to get a long breather and, crucially, deter Max from walking him down again.

Whereas with Floyd he couldn't do it (boxing rules) and with Nate he wouldn't do it because he was too worried Nate would submit him off his back. It was sort of funny but every time Conor dropped Nate with a punch, John & Owen were screaming at Conor to avoid Nate on the ground like the plague.

The threat of a takedown was an important weapon earlier in Conor's career whether it was Buchinger, Holloway etc. it would make his opponent think twice about walking him down because the threat of a takedown was very real and that can be enough to slow forward pressure against him.

Put it another way - Conor was absolutely cruising in round 2 against Nate in both fights UNTIL Nate stopped throwing punches. I don't think that's a coincidence. He was hitting Nate at will with crisp counters but as soon as those counters were not available to him, Conor seemed to throw a lot of panic punches to try get Nate to back up.

Slightly harsh to say this given it's a different sport but he did the exact same thing in the Floyd fight - as soon as Floyd started walking him down, Conor started throwing 6 and 7 punch combos to try get him to back away, but they were panic punches with no "design" behind them.

Imagine every punch Conor throws is a pawn on a chess board. When Conor is dominating a fight, he uses his pawns wisely, because he's setting them up for an attack with his bigger weapons. Whereas aganst Floyd & Nate, when the forward pressure came Conor just frantically moved pawns forward with no plan behind it. In the end, you just end up down a few pieces and in big trouble.

In plain English, a huge % of the shots he threw against Floyd & Nate in response to this forward pressure were meaningless shots because they either had no power behind them or, worse, no plan behind them.

I strongly suspect Conor's problem isn't strictly a cardio issue but obviously if there is a small issue he's not helping himself going on crazy benders ending up in treehouses or random hotels with nitrous oxide canisters all over the place...

I think the major issue he faces is that he hasn't figured out how to combat sustained forward pressure when taking his opponent down isn't an option - and that is a massive problem he has to fix quickly because Ferguson will walk him down from round 2 onwards and I suspect Conor won't be comfortable in Tony's guard.

Basically Conor could have a Mo Farah-level gas tank and he'll still gas if he continues to panic when dealing with forward pressure. Conor was, is and always will be a bully-fighter. He's insanely good when he's controlling the pace of a contest but very few lessons were learned from Diaz 1 & 2 because the same mistakes were repeated in the Floyd contest.

TL;DR: Conor & his team urgently need to address how he handles that forward pressure style. There are 2 options I can see to try resolve this:

Option 1.: Drill every single day with Dillon Danis, Richie Smullen, Gunnar Nelson (if available) in top-control. Hell, given he's super rich, maybe pay a good few quid to get Shinya Aoki into the camp or if he's busy try a strict BJJ guy like Keenan Cornelius, Rafa Mendes, Kron Gracie involved.

Take all ego out of the equation, take them down and tell them to really attack for submissions off their backs. Conor doesn't have to try pass guard or go for a submission but at an elite level in MMA he 100% needs the confidence to maintain top control for 60 or 90 seconds against anyone - even Nate, even Ferguson - in order to get a breather.

If he has the threat of a takedown, it will help stop opponents walking him down. Even Tyron Woodley had a realistic level-change threat against Maia and Maia is a wizard on the ground but the threat was still enough to get Maia's attention.

Conor needs that option back in his game. Takedowns are a monumental part of MMA, and the threat of a takedown can alter the flow of a fight. He simply has to have that threat going for him.

Option 2. Keep KO'ing people in Round 1 and lay off the vodka in between fights.

Mellor

Deleted User wrote: »

Tony Ferguson is the real champion, he has a crazy win streak in the LW division. Conor has beat 1 person at LW in UFC in Alvarez, who has some questionable decision wins and beat Dos Anjos after a bad weight cut.

Not sure if you're serious.
10 fights is a great streak. But Tony was beating the likes of Mike Rio, Castillo, Lando, Tibeau. These are not top fighters.
His biggest win is RDA imo. Barboza is good. Lando Vanatta is a journeyman.

Alvarez crossed over from Belator. And best Giblert, Pettis and RDA off the bat. Regardless of how the fights went, he won and as absolutely the legitimate champ. But because Conor beat him, he's now questionable. Feels like a stretch tbh.

It's funny that you question Alvarez beating RDA, then champ, after a bad weight cut. But ignore the fact Lee also had a terrible cut, and a staph infection when he lost to Tony.
Not trying to take anything away from Tony. But he's the interim champ. Unification is the only way to settle it.

sonofenoch

darced wrote: »

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That's pretty obvious to everyone now, and probably the best weapon anyone has to beat him......if he doesn't finish inside 2 he's in trouble we'll see it again and again especially against the elite fighters ( and Nate) ....that's all he'll face for whatever he's left in his UFC career.......the Siver and Poirier days are long gone

mdwexford

Deleted User wrote: »

Tony Ferguson is the real champion, he has a crazy win streak in the LW division. Conor has beat 1 person at LW in UFC in Alvarez, who has some questionable decision wins and beat Dos Anjos after a bad weight cut.

Dream on.

Deleted User wrote: »

Barboza, Vannata, Dos Anjos, Kevin Lee are his past 4 wins......... :rolleyes:

He also wins via Sub, KO and Decision, man is a true champion.

Exactly.

Dos Anjos the only one who's been near a belt.

Conor will KO him in round 1.

darced

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[Deleted User]

sonofenoch wrote: »

His win streak has been against 'making up the numbers' fighters in the division for the most part ....Lee and RDA the standouts, the latter by decision....McGregor ko'd the man who ko'd the man, he's the real LW Champion all the rest is waffle

Barboza, Vannata, Dos Anjos, Kevin Lee are his past 4 wins......... :rolleyes:

He also wins via Sub, KO and Decision, man is a true champion.

[Deleted User]

https://twitter.com/MojahedFudailat/status/918147707293839362

sonofenoch

Deleted User wrote: »

Tony Ferguson is the real champion, he has a crazy win streak in the LW division. Conor has beat 1 person at LW in UFC in Alvarez, who has some questionable decision wins and beat Dos Anjos after a bad weight cut.

His win streak has been against 'making up the numbers' fighters in the division for the most part ....Lee and RDA the standouts, the latter by decision....McGregor ko'd the man who ko'd the man, he's the real LW Champion all the rest is waffle

[Deleted User]

Gamebred wrote: »

He does not give a **** about belts and lineage, and I dont blame him either but he needs to be stripped if he hasnt a fight booked in the next 2 weeks imo.

Tony Ferguson is the real champion, he has a crazy win streak in the LW division. Conor has beat 1 person at LW in UFC in Alvarez, who has some questionable decision wins and beat Dos Anjos after a bad weight cut.

Gamebred

Lukker- wrote: »

Disagree, tbh.

It's obviously a big deal for him, but after the Mayweather fight, I don't think it's the be all and end all. He's a competitor at the end of the day.

He does not give a **** about belts and lineage, and I dont blame him either but he needs to be stripped if he hasnt a fight booked in the next 2 weeks imo.

Lukker-

Gamebred wrote: »

You'd be surprised, McGregor cares about cash at this stage nothing else,hence he wont be fighting Ferguson next.

Disagree, tbh.

It's obviously a big deal for him, but after the Mayweather fight, I don't think it's the be all and end all. He's a competitor at the end of the day.

Gamebred

Useful.Idiot wrote: »

I'd eat my hat if that happened. Genuinely no one wants to see it.

You'd be surprised, McGregor cares about cash at this stage nothing else,hence he wont be fighting Ferguson next.

Useful.Idiot

ricero wrote: »

I will lose all respect for the man if its true.

After the ****show that was mayweather vs mcgregor i never want to see him in a boxing ring again

I'd eat my hat if that happened. Genuinely no one wants to see it.

Dtp1979

billybonkers wrote: »

Why does Conor hold his child like this all the time? It's very unusual

Maybe he’s just working on his bicep curls

ricero

D.Q wrote: »

Really hope he doesn't go up against Paulie next

I will lose all respect for the man if its true.

After the ****show that was mayweather vs mcgregor i never want to see him in a boxing ring again

Mean Laqueefa

billybonkers wrote: »

Why does Conor hold his child like this all the time? It's very unusual

Expecting my first in 5 weeks and went to one of those ''what its like to have a baby'' courses on a Saturday morning and the midwife explained it one of the safest ways to hold your child and comforting for the father. Had a practice on a weird doll and it felt safe as could be, and i see people hold there baby like that all the time.

That being said Conor's technique is off, his arm way outstretched, like that he would be lucky to make 3 of 5 rounds of to the car and back, never mind 5

D.Q

Really hope he doesn't go up against Paulie next

billybonkers

Baby is gonna have a strong neck anyway!

Alf Veedersane

billybonkers wrote: »

Why does Conor hold his child like this all the time? It's very unusual

He doesn't want baby dribble on his gear.

scudzilla

billybonkers wrote: »

Why does Conor hold his child like this all the time? It's very unusual

That's how i hold my 14month old when i carry her, Wife says it looks like she's a rugby ball and that so long as i don't drop kick her i'm grand

dashoonage

Gamebred wrote: »

Stats dont tell the full story and you know it Mellor, Ferguson is on another planet cardio wise.

10th planet......

ill get my coat....:D

Mellor

Gamebred wrote: »

Stats dont tell the full story and you know it Mellor, Ferguson is on another planet cardio wise.

I wasn't saying their cardio abilities are equal. I'm saying the idea that "Tony only gets going in the 4th" is a fabrication. He's been in the championship rounds once, he didn't particularly get going. Or if it is true, we at least haven't seen it.

It's as much a negative as a positive though. Conor's had 10 round 1's in the UFC, and they've all been dominant. If ever there was a fighter you don't want to start slow against its Conor.