freshpopcorn wrote: » The only thing I know is I'm often amazed at the people who are pro-life. Both male and female. If the marriage referendum achieved over 70% I'd be a lot more confident. It will take the urban areas for it to be repealed unless it's just an an appeal for very limited circumstances.
Deleted User wrote: Yeah I think new laws are needed in certain circumstances where the mothers life is in danger or where the pregnancy is because of rape/incest.
Deleted User wrote: » Yeah I think new laws are needed in certain circumstances where the mothers life is in danger or where the pregnancy is because of rape/incest. I do think the majority of voters would be against abortion being made available freely.
Wanderer2010 wrote: » I agree with you in the case of mothers life being at risk or from a result of rape, but abortion in every other instance? Nope- plenty of birth control out there for men and women if you don't want a kid, try using it.
Wanderer2010 wrote: » I agree with you in the case of mothers life being at risk or from a result of rape, but abortion in every other instance?
Phoebas wrote: » Would I have to prove the rape or just make a rape allegation? Sounds like a solution fraught with difficulty.
Wanderer2010 wrote: » It would have to be proved I guess, but in this day and age if you don't want a kid, then use contraception, it really is that simple. This isn't 1930s Ireland.
Nettle Soup wrote: » I see those Fianna Fail gombeens voted against repealing the 8th amendment.
B0jangles wrote: » Then it is literally impossible - there is not enough time for a rape to be proved to have happened, no-where near enough time. And again, contraception can and does fail.
Wanderer2010 wrote: » Yes it can but that's the minority. If you don't want a child that is formed because of failing contraception, no need to kill the child. You have options like adoption etc.
JupiterKid wrote: » One thing is for certain, in the run up to next year's referendum, the campaigning by the pro-life and pro-choice sides will be intense, dirty and divisive. It'll make the run up to the same sex referendum look like nothing in comparison.
markodaly wrote: » The Pro-Life crowd are zealots. The Pro-choice crowd are zealots. The majority of Irish people are not zealots. So abortion will be legalised in some respects (upsetting the pro-life zealots) but there will be no on-demand abortion (upsetting the pro-choice zealots)
Wanderer2010 wrote: Yes it can but that's the minority. If you don't want a child that is formed because of failing contraception, no need to kill the child. You have options like adoption etc.
Nettle Soup wrote: » http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fianna-fil-delegates-reject-calls-to-change-the-constitution-on-abortion-36227113.htmlI see those Fianna Fail gombeens voted against repealing the 8th amendment. A second motion from the party’s London branch – backing a “woman’s right to choose” was also heavily defeated. They sly feckers are trying to cement the anti-abortion and religious groups as they continue to recover after destroying the country. There is talk McQuaid will be exhumed to remind people of their duties and that women are 2nd class citiziens in the eyes of the church.
Ember Orange Varnish wrote: » Maybe they should have aborted you as well:)
nice_guy80 wrote: » is there any chance at all that I could just go away and return when this crap has been finished?
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » 40,000 people marched for choice a couple of weeks ago but RTE gave nearly as much airtime to FIVE anti-choicers.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » People forget that the 8th was only passed by a margin of 2 to 1 even though this was 1983, when the catholic church's influence was still at its height and only 4 years after the mass hysteria of the pope's visit. At that time, the only experience most people had of abortion was their local priest telling them how evil it was. In Dublin it was only passed by the narrowest of margins, 51% to 49%. Many of the people who voted Yes in 1983 will have since died. It was almost unthinkable even ten years ago for a woman to 'come out' and publicly state she had an abortion, many people in the public eye have done just this in the last few years and there is very little controversy about it. More and more people accept that the idea of forced pregnancy and forced birth is abhorrent, the fact that we voted in 1992 to allow information and travel for abortion is proof that the Irish people are willing to allow women to make their own choices. What the women of Ireland need now is the ability to make their own choice without having to leave the country. The 8th amendment does not 'save lives', all it does is cause greater stress, expense and delay (so the abortion is later) to women who have abortions. The so-called 'pro life' lobby are small, most of them are part of a few extended and intermarried families of extreme catholics, but they are extremely extremely vocal out of all proportion to their numbers and the media and especially broadcasters pander to them. 40,000 people marched for choice a couple of weeks ago but RTE gave nearly as much airtime to FIVE anti-choicers.
Ulysses Gaze wrote: » It seems you and your ilk have learned to sum of sweet **** all from both Trump winning the Presidency and the Brexit vote. If you, and the Pro-Choice crowd, continue insulting those who disagree with you, and more importantly those on the fence, you are cast iron-guaranteeing to lose any referendum on this topic.
Ember Orange Varnish wrote: » I have to wonder at the person who thinks objecting to the killing of perfectly formed human beings is zealotry! Maybe they should have aborted you as well:) I wasn't planned but the impact I've had in the world has been huge ( at least for those I've been in contact with). A lot of lives would be a lot poorer in my absence
posturingpat wrote: » Do you seriously think no life has been saved because of it? Really :rolleyes:
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