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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781

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awec

Former Former wrote: »

No, he's not a 100% starter for Ireland.

But Trimble's central contract expired during the summer, while both Bowe and Rob Kearney will see their central deals expire in June 2018, so there's a bit of leeway in what they can hand out. You'd imagine Kearney will be renewed but Bowe must be done.

I don't think provincial vs central really matters any more though.

Not sure I'd give Kearney another central deal at this stage. 31 and can barely play two weeks in a row.

Vinnie222

Former Former wrote: »

Kearney is back training so should be fit (if he doesn't collapse again, of course).

I would say most likely back three is Earls, Zebo, Kearney. Stockdale to get a chance against Fiji and make a claim for the Argentina game.

When is the last time Kearney had a run of games ? 2 injury prone these days like his brother . Time for other options

Former Former

clsmooth wrote: »

Back 3 of Earls Stockdale and Zebo at 15 has a nice ring to it. Carbery on the bench covering 10/15?

Kearney is back training so should be fit (if he doesn't collapse again, of course).

I would say most likely back three for South Africa is Earls, Zebo, Kearney. Stockdale to get a chance against Fiji and make a claim for the Argentina game.

clsmooth

Back 3 of Earls Stockdale and Zebo at 15 has a nice ring to it. Carbery on the bench covering 10/15?

[Deleted User]

aloooof wrote: »

I'd guess that the majority of his more recent starts for Ireland have been at FB as well, no?

Wouldn't worry too much about that tbh, he's comfortably in either position.

aloooof

I'd guess that the majority of his more recent starts for Ireland have been at FB as well, no?

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Himself and Earls are surely first choice for the wings at the moment

Not necessarily no. Stockdale has really started to show what he's capable of and only going to get better.

The Pheasant2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Himself and Earls are surely first choice for the wings at the moment

Stockdale is certainly making a decent claim for the jersey also.

[Deleted User]

Himself and Earls are surely first choice for the wings at the moment

Former Former

Wegians89 wrote: »

Reading the 42s article on Zebo and his contract situation, is he a definite starter for Ireland and does he deserve a central contract ?? Personally wouldn't like to see him go and with bowe and Trimble on central contracts surely Zebo should get one too? I don't think he's a 100% starter for Ireland on the other hand

No, he's not a 100% starter for Ireland.

But Trimble's central contract expired during the summer, while both Bowe and Rob Kearney will see their central deals expire in June 2018, so there's a bit of leeway in what they can hand out. You'd imagine Kearney will be renewed but Bowe must be done.

I don't think provincial vs central really matters any more though.

Wegians89

Reading the 42s article on Zebo and his contract situation, is he a definite starter for Ireland and does he deserve a central contract ?? Personally wouldn't like to see him go and with bowe and Trimble on central contracts surely Zebo should get one too? I don't think he's a 100% starter for Ireland on the other hand

errlloyd

So sounds like a three test tour of Australia has been confirmed for this summer. That's a pretty good return for Ireland. To get 4 Tests v South Africa, 4 Tests v Australia and 2 Tests v New Zealand between world cups is great. And there is one more autumn to go.

errlloyd

I dunno how true this is or whether it was just a bit of banter. But in the post game interview Henshaw said he had shed a bit of weight in anticipation of playing some rugby at 13.

He did look slightly slighter than previous years.

Clegg

Henshaw's passing game was spot on today. Threw some lovely ones that had his outside backs running onto at pace. He was pivotal to Leinster's bonus point try. Got the ball and drifted left before straightening and drawing the defender so Carbery had more space to run into. It's something we don't see him do enough with Ireland. Maybe that the game plan is for him to be the battering ram, but I feel we could do more in attack if we used him as a distributor more often. He has the skills to do so.

For me Carbery is the form full back in the country. But I'm not sure he's exactly what Schmidt is looking for. He's a decent tackler and reader of the game, but still gets caught out sometimes and he still needs to work on fielding high kicks. But from a creative standpoint he's our best full back. He steps in at first receiver often and has a lovely range on passes to stretch defences. Also a deadly counter attacker. Doesn't have the gas of Zebo or ToH, but has the vision to see where the defensive line is weak and picks the right spot to attack.

clsmooth

Ringrose for me is potentally world class. Last season he was excellent, becoming the starting 13 for Leinster and Ireland last year and consisitently preforming at a high level. Hit's harder than his size, has an eye for a gap and has no problem rolling up his sleeves. Him and Henshaw are the longterm 12-13. Bundee is a quality player and will get starts in November but come 6N I think Henshaw/Ringrose will start baring injury or Bundee absoluting tearing it up. Still you wouldnt see Bundee or Henshaw do what Ringrose did below in a pivotal moment in Leinster's biggest game last season. That genuinely was world class.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL_IHflsD1k

D14Rugby

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

If it doesn't work for Leinster how much will it matter to Ireland that Henshae isnt playing 13?

Payne didn't really play 13 fo Ulster when he became first choice 13 for Ireland so I'd say it doesnt really matter, what they do at camps probably matters more.

Buer

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote:

If it doesn't work for Leinster how much will it matter to Ireland that Henshae isnt playing 13?

In fairness, it didn't hinder him playing 12 for Ireland when he was playing 13 and 15 for Connacht.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Bridge93 wrote: »

Henshaw 12 Ringrose 13 gets the two best centres on the island in the team. The two best 13s but also one of them is the best 12

Whether Henshae at 13 may work for the national team is still in question I do not see it working for Leinster.

If it doesn't work for Leinster how much will it matter to Ireland that Henshae isnt playing 13?

Bridge93

Henshaw 12 Ringrose 13 gets the two best centres on the island in the team. The two best 13s but also one of them is the best 12

Wegians89

Former Former wrote: »

Ringrose has better feet and is much quicker.

Henshaw has very good feet and isn't a slouch, he's very intelligent and it's terrible to have him as a battering ram

Former Former

Wegians89 wrote: »

Henshaw can do everything ringrose can but with added powder.

Ringrose has better feet and is much quicker.

Buer

Wegians89 wrote:

Henshaw can do everything ringrose can but with added powder. Bundee 12 with henshaw outside him

He can't. And Ringrose can't do what Henshaw does. They're different types at 13.

[Deleted User]

Wegians89 wrote: »

Henshaw can do everything ringrose can but with added powder. Bundee 12 with henshaw outside him

I feckin knew Henshaw was at the cocaine again.

Wegians89

Clegg wrote: »

Henshaw may be better at 13 but he's also the best 12 in the country as well. And personally I think Ringrose is a better outside centre.

Henshaw can do everything ringrose can but with added powder. 10 sexton 11 stockdale 12 bubdee 13 henshaw 14 earls 15 Payne 23 ringrose

Clegg

Henshaw may be better at 13 but he's also the best 12 in the country as well. And personally I think Ringrose is a better outside centre.

Wegians89

Henshaw is a13

bilston

Buer wrote: »

Ah it was. It wasn't mentioned when POC was available and undisputed caller but it has always been a factor.

The year that POC was out and we had McCarthy and Ryan starting at lock, it came under a lot of scrutiny.

When was that? I was thinking that was about 3 years ago, but in hindsight it was before the 2013 Lions tour wasn't it, because it cost Best his initial selection.

Yeah I suppose it was never an issue because we all knew who called the lineout for 10 years.

Anyway I don't think there is any debate that Toner and Henderson will be the second row in the Autumn.

Burkie1203

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Buer

bilston wrote:

I actually agree with you...but for some reason this has become a big thing in the last year or two...2 or 3 years ago no one ever spoke about who called the lineout, now it's talked about all the time.

Ah it was. It wasn't mentioned when POC was available and undisputed caller but it has always been a factor.

The year that POC was out and we had McCarthy and Ryan starting at lock, it came under a lot of scrutiny.

MJohnston

bilston wrote: »

I actually agree with you...but for some reason this has become a big thing in the last year or two...2 or 3 years ago no one ever spoke about who called the lineout, now it's talked about all the time.

Probably because Ireland’s lineout went from being great to being a liability around that time, and people don’t really know who to blame!