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Silent Justice - SJ6 - Kildare Sting

LollipopJimmy

It seems this group who pose as young teens online have made their first sting in the Republic.

A 43 year old man from Naas was arrested last night, there's a 20minute video of the sting and arrest on facebook, I won't link, he's named and shamed there. I'm not a fan of these vigilante groups at all myself but when it comes to this I hope he gets the book thrown at him.
He was allegedly told on numerous occasions that the girl was 14 and he asked her to finger herself and was sending vids of himself while, well use your imagination.

With this and reports of a man having to be be physically dragged off a woman by the Gardai in Parnell Square I feel the courts need to step up and destroy the lives of sex offenders.

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pilly

Hmm, I don't know, these things can go horribly wrong.

Hotblack Desiato

Because of those Facebook muppets publicly naming him he will now no doubt claim his trial will be prejudiced.

philstar

are these the same crowd who nearly lynched a man by mistake during the summer?

pilly

philstar wrote: »

are these the same crowd who nearly lynched a man by mistake during the summer?

Probably. A bit of paranoia flying around Kildare I think. Or just FB mammies with too much time on their hands.

LollipopJimmy

pilly wrote: »

Hmm, I don't know, these things can go horribly wrong.

They certainly can, I don't get why it needed to go out live of Facebook other than glory hunting but on the other hand, how many teens has this guy spoken to or attempted this with or even been with. I'm torn if I'm honest

MilesMorales1

They should present the evidence they gather to the gardai, these recorded 'stings' are complete crap and naming and shaming damages the chances of a successful prosecution.

pilly

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

They certainly can, I don't get why it needed to go out live of Facebook other than glory hunting but on the other hand, how many teens has this guy spoken to or attempted this with or even been with. I'm torn if I'm honest

The parents could just use their time more usefully to keep their kids away from Facebook?

I know when mine were pre teens they weren't allowed have a password for anything that I didn't know. I see kids going around now hiding the phone from their parents and refusing to let them look at their social media.

Sorry, you're underage you're either having a totally open phone or none at all.

LollipopJimmy

pilly wrote: »

The parents could just use their time more usefully to keep their kids away from Facebook?

I know when mine were pre teens they weren't allowed have a password for anything that I didn't know. I see kids going around now hiding the phone from their parents and refusing to let them look at their social media.

Sorry, you're underage you're either having a totally open phone or none at all.

He was going after a 14 year old decoy, that's not pre teen and there was no real victim in this case. While parents need to be more vigilant, the vile creatures that prey on the young and vulnerable need to be behind bars

GhostyMcGhost

Slightly OT but when you see the appalling and lenient sentence some people get handed, then unfortunately groups like this will emerge to take justice into their own hands

Again, society not looking at the big picture

Hector Savage

As long as they are 100% sure they have the right guy so don't live stream, I don't have an issue with it, police dont seem to do enough.

Grayson

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

They should present the evidence they gather to the gardai, these recorded 'stings' are complete crap and naming and shaming damages the chances of a successful prosecution.

That's the thing. When they record it and put it online, rather than hand it to the police, they are attempting to glorify themselves. It's not about getting justice or stopping criminals, it's about them making themselves feel great.

McMurphy

I seen this today, and as already stated, I think the live streaming is prob going to aide the fellas defence when/if it reaches court.

The guy in the video I seen was clearly of below average intelligence (no excuse I know) and the crowd surrounding him were the poor man's version of "Chris Hanson" from "to catch a predator".

Don't get me wrong, as a parent of 3 myself, I'm fully behind predators such as this being taken off our streets, I'm just not sure a few random who knows who's from facebook are the people to do it, and certainly not via live streams, and all the potential complications that could cause in the court room.

I think these recordings shouldn't be made public until after a successful prosecution. Hand it over to the Gards, let them deal with it.

What with the other lad who was mistakenly identified as a paedophile in Kildare, and a similar case in the North where the wrongly accused actually ended his own life due to him being wrongly named and shamed, the rise of the Facebook social justice vigilante is a worrying trend IMO.

Samaris

I don't really approve of these things. It's too easy for it to go wrong, it's too easy to destroy lives. And even when they do get someone who is trouble, as people have pointed out above, they prejudice any case against him by naming him to the public and publicising live streams like that.

I'm inclined to the opinion of it being glory-seeking more than justice-seeking, at least done like this.

Edit: It's a bit of a modern form of witch-hunting, really. While in some cases..unlike witch-hunting (cough), it might be done for pure intentions and with every care taken that they're not hounding an innocent person, but it's far too easy for human prejudices to play into choosing a target. And innocent actions can be given a very unsavory interpretation if people are determined that X guy is a predator.

The Legend Of Kira

Just wondering from a legal standpoint, the fact they livestreamed the sting op their facebook page + the fact they didn,t blur out his face in the video- will his lawyers be able to argue in his defence he was trialed by the media ? if so would that argument in his defence be able to get lesser charges & all that ?

Ipso

I hope they know what a pediatrician is.

The Legend Of Kira

There was a woman on Waterford local radio during the week who has started up another similar type of group, listened to the podcast of the interview she gave she said " different men in the Waterford/south east area have contacted the decoy profiles her group is using ", given this is what she said on radio chances are we could be hearing about similar stings happening in the future also .

fullstop

The Legend Of Kira wrote: »

There was a woman on Waterford local radio during the week who has started up another similar type of group, listened to the podcast of the interview she gave she said " different men in the Waterford/south east area have contacted the decoy profiles her group is using ", given this is what she said on radio chances are we could be hearing about similar stings happening in the future also .

Do you put that in your CV like?

Previous experience:
2009-2016 Bank Clerk
2016-2017 Paedophile Hunter

or does it go under 'other interests'?

end of the road

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Slightly OT but when you see the appalling and lenient sentence some people get handed, then unfortunately groups like this will emerge to take justice into their own hands

Again, society not looking at the big picture

the reality is even if the gardai were the most funded and resourced police force in the world, groups taking "justice" into their own hands would exist. because the reality is they want a form of justice that cannot be given via legal means and they want fame and glory.
if instead of their nonsense, these people focused their time on protesting in the aim to get the gardai the funding and resources they need to get the job done then they would actually have the support of the country.