bebeman wrote: » I think brokenarms might be a Larper. Stephen15 is correct, drivers have no choice in which bus to take out. So much false information posted by those claiming to be in the know. As a DB driver how does one go about establishing their bona fides around here?
bebeman wrote: » Looks like you are dealing with the Bus workers action group. They seemed to have sprung up after a NBRU union rep in harristown was fired for stirring the ****. It has nothing to do with the NBRU,they dissavowed him before DB fired him. Google Bus workers action group, the top 2 results will tell all you need to know. socialistworkeronline.net/statement-by-socialist-bus-drivers/ siptuactivist.wordpress.com/category/eugene-mcdonagh/ You should have a system where posters who claim to be CIE staff have to prove who are before claiming to be staff and posting questionable info here.
bebeman wrote: » Several bits of juicy gossip doing the rounds, so here is a piece to keep you busy for the coming weekend. The word is Go-Ahead will not be ready to take on the 10% in time, so are looking to contract Dublin Bus to run the 10% for a year while they get set up.
markpb wrote: » It's only juicy if you've never been involved in tenders or project delivery before and think this is the first time someone wasn't ready to deliver on time. If they're not ready, DB will automatically continue to operate the routes as they do today.
bebeman wrote: » Go ahead are no where near ready to take on the 10%. No facilities, no staff.
What else happened to Go ahead the day they announced they will get the 10%? The loss of the UK train contract, see the downward movement of the share price before the loss, it would have accelerated with this bad news.
bebeman wrote: » Go ahead are no where near ready to take on the 10%. No facilities, no staff. What else happened to Go ahead the day they announced they will get the 10%? The loss of the UK train contract, see the downward movement of the share price before the loss, it would have accelerated with this bad news. It would have been a disaster on the following monday when the market reopened. Same day out of the blue it was announced they got the 10%. The 10% took some of the sting out of the loss of the UK train contract. Who owns shares in Go ahead? could there have been any Irish owners who would have lost big if share price continued down? could someone have saved they by awarding the 10% to Go ahead? Rumours say yes, only time will tell
AlekSmart wrote: » The Go-Ahead group's initial foray into Singapore got off to a jittery start,folllowing significant numbers of their new "Bus Captains" resigning after finding the new operators business model not to their liking.
Stevek101 wrote: » I doubt they plan is that far advanced. Having said that the NTA own most of the deliveries in recent years so it is possible. Supposedly all deliveries from Jan 18 will be in NTA livery so its more likely these will be transferred unless they swap some of the fleet around to keep a balance on the fleet age.The vote on the purposed livery is due any day now.
dublinman1990 wrote: » There is a rumor going around from an DB employee in Harristown which said that some of the 2016 SGs and some AV's will be transferred to GA Dublin. I know that this stuff should not be treated as gospel. But can someone here tell me about how this could be classed as accurate information. If Dublin Bus were tasked with transferring bus fleets from them to GA Dublin via an specific order from the NTA; that could be very complex. If the NTA said otherwise that would be no plans to reduce the Dublin Bus fleet; well is that original plan going to change soon or not?
If the plan to transfer some Dublin Buses to GA Dublin is approved. Is there any way that the spec of the Dublin Bus vehicles can be changed if they were with GA. Will the interiors in some of the transferred buses have to be changed to have a matching spec for both Dublin Bus & GA? There is no way that the new Streetlites would have the same interior as Dublin Bus. If there was a approach from the NTA to match the Dublin Bus livery & interior with GA Dublin. Well that type of work could not make sense in the long term with the Irish transport framework. But is that do-able. GA already have separate brands in place that are relevant for each of their companies in the UK except for GA London with the red bus fleet being used with TfL.
dublinman1990 wrote: » Is there any word on it's other designs before it goes to the vote? Are there more ideas proposed for the livery other than what was proposed in BusConnects?
Stevek101 wrote: » Nothing was announced other than these two purposed designed.
end of the road wrote: » just take the db livery with some changes. the db livery is distinctive and clear. the minute it comes into view one knows it's a dublin bus that is coming. boom, money saved.
devnull wrote: » The whole idea of moving to a common livery is to a system led, integrated transport network where the overarching brand is deemed more important than that of an operator which is how it works in a lot of cities within Europe, whether that's those in the West of Europe such as London or the East such as Warsaw. The current system is fragmented with each state funded operator looking after their own interests with their own fare structure, zoning and brand and running their own website, apps and just looking at it from their own point of view at the expense of the overall system which makes it very user unfriendly. That's before you even consider the fact that the current livery is a trademark of Dublin Bus and no company is going to agree to wear the corporate livery of someone who they are competing with for contracts for example and nor should they be forced to. It's about time public transport was brought in line with other European cities where the overall system is deemed much more important than the overall parts that make it up all looking after their own interests. Maybe then we could have proper integrated ticketing, information and a more user friendly system. The transport system in Ireland is outdated, unfriendly for tourists, disjointed, fragmented, confusing for people to understand, contains a myrid of zones and fare structures, barely integrates at all with things being duplicated by operators who are looking after themselves, it's time for a change to one where the customer comes first like TFL and not the operator and that is what I really hope BusConnects does.
end of the road wrote: » the fact is the db livery is distinctive, along with the bus eireann livery. if the NTA want an all over livery, then a modified version of these liveries for all operators contracted is the way to go. a modified version of the db livery for city services around the country, and a modified version of the bus eireann livery for all contracted provincial services. familiarity is key. the exact operator doesn't even have to be mentioned.
devnull wrote: » There is an argument that familiarity isn't key and actually is going to be a negative thing rather than a positive thing because it will give the impression to many people that nothing has changed despite the vast amounts of money that may be put into it because they see nothing different from the outside and it'll bring all the years of negative experiences and baggage with it. Like it or not, despite recent improvements in public transport, public transport still has an image problem and far less people take public transport in Dublin than many of the other cities in Europe. Some of the reasons for this are due to past perceptions, some of them are due to ignorance, but we need to shake them off and leave these in the past where they belong. If we want to reduce congestion in our cities and attract people out of their car we don't just have to change the technical things about how the service is run and invest in our infrastructure, we have to also do something about the image problem that public transport has in much of our country and try and shake off those images. You have got to look at this from the eyes of the people who don't use public transport rather than the eyes of the people that do, because if we do not encourage more people to use public transport over the next 5-10 years the traffic is going to be far worse than now and to do that we need to show them that things have changed and make a complete break with the old system on all levels. I would agree that familiarity would be a good thing if we had a excellent, well developed system that was very well regarded, but unfortunately we don't have such system
SPDUB wrote: » Corporate rebrandings have the reputation of being used to fool the public and especially in public services to bung some money to friends.
Bambi wrote: » Using white as a base colour is bad enough but then putting pastels over it is just plain awful. Looks like a faded 1980s B+I ferry We might want to actually see some positive change before we start talking about re-branding, basically just turd polishing otherwise
