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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

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recedite

Seems to have been quite a few off duty police killed. Was it some kind of policemans ball, or is it just that a lot of them have a fondness for the 'ol country and western?

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recedite wrote: »

Seems to have been quite a few off duty police killed. Was it some kind of policemans ball, or is it just that a lot of them have a fondness for the 'ol country and western?

What's "quite a few"?

Pelvis

Manic Moran wrote: »

Can't say Trump's speech was the best one I've ever heard. That said, given the utter absence of any information to give, there also wasn't much he could say other than "Federal departments are helping out". Two things did strike me. One was all the praying he's apparently doing, which I'm sure is useful, and also that the wounded and bereaved have our support. What level of tangible support this will be, I am curious to see.

I'd rather the bloke who wrote the speech read it out instead. The words are well meaning, but completely insincere when they leave Trumps mouth.

I mean, Trump referring to "Scripture" is just laughable. He just can't be taken seriously in any capacity.

20Cent

"Warmest condolences" said like someone with no idea how to express empathy or speak english.

recedite

Deleted User wrote: »

What's "quite a few"?

Not sure, but the local Sheriff mentioned one of his own that was off duty, plus some from out of town.

MadYaker

I think 2 off duty police were killed?

The silence from prominent right wingers in the US is fairly deafening when the perp is an old white guy...

looksee

Even if Trump were to go tomorrow, how long will it take the US to recover from the experience of having him in charge? He is creating a sense of insecurity and confusion that, along with the minute by minute reporting of such things as the hurricanes and now the Vagas shooting, is going to continue to create waves of upset so that society is likely to become even more disfunctional that it already is.

He has divided the country and proved what was already suspected, that there is a core of really dumb people who have no idea what the role of an effective president is. At this stage all of government seems to be conducted on twitter - and since the main man cannot string a coherent sentence together, how can anyone guess what is actually happening - especially since he contradicts pretty much every other statement, including his own, every time he speaks.

Will anyone have the strength and charisma to keep the reality show voters on side, while cutting back the twittering and making rational, presidential and effective decisions for the good of the country, or is it too far gone?

Professor Moriarty

20Cent wrote: »

"Warmest condolences" said like someone with no idea how to express empathy or speak english.

I think his staff are just happy that it wasn't 'Warmest congratulations'.

demfad

looksee wrote: »

Even if Trump were to go tomorrow, how long will it take the US to recover from the experience of having him in charge? He is creating a sense of insecurity and confusion that, along with the minute by minute reporting of such things as the hurricanes and now the Vagas shooting, is going to continue to create waves of upset so that society is likely to become even more disfunctional that it already is.

He has divided the country and proved what was already suspected, that there is a core of really dumb people who have no idea what the role of an effective president is. At this stage all of government seems to be conducted on twitter - and since the main man cannot string a coherent sentence together, how can anyone guess what is actually happening - especially since he contradicts pretty much every other statement, including his own, every time he speaks.

Will anyone have the strength and charisma to keep the reality show voters on side, while cutting back the twittering and making rational, presidential and effective decisions for the good of the country, or is it too far gone?

The US can't recover without great change. Trump is the symtom of the issue NOT the issue.

This author chronicles all the changes under Trump, week by week.
https://medium.com/@Amy_Siskind

It will only get worse:

The US capitalist 'producers' don't actually produce anything anymore. They are hollow brand companies like Trumps who outsource production. There was never going to be a big return to manufacturing in the US. To hide that lie Trump will double down and hold his base by creating more racism and division.

People were already disillusioned about politics: what will they be like after Trump?

That's before we go to the planetary disaster of global warming and his deletion of this from the US Govt and defunding research and pre-emtion.

Itssoeasy

The Donald is using his usual charm in Puerto Rico. He's said that the island has "thrown our budget out of whack" and ignored the mayor of San Juan after meeting when she said "it's not about politics"

It's like an evil twin of trigger from only fools and horses. Trigger was a warm hearted eijit while trump is a nasty narsisitic bully.

Itssoeasy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

20Cent wrote: »

"Warmest condolences" said like someone with no idea how to express empathy or speak english.

I think his staff are just happy that it wasn't 'Warmest congratulations'.

It's like getting a kick in the head or the balls whenever trump speaks. Both aren't nice but one is less nasty then the other but not by much.

Professor Moriarty

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The Donald is using his usual charm in Puerto Rico. He's said that the island has "thrown our budget out of whack" and ignored the mayor of San Juan after meeting when she said "it's not about politics"

It's like an evil twin of trigger from only fools and horses. Trigger was a warm hearted eijit while trump is a nasty narsisitic bully.

Very clever comparison! And very true.

looksee

'Only 16 people dead...not a real catastrophe like Katrina...you can be very proud, only 16 people, not hundreds and hundreds'...is there anything anyone can say - even his wife was looking doubtful about his ramblings.

Itssoeasy

looksee wrote: »

'Only 16 people dead...not a real catastrophe like Katrina...you can be very proud, only 16 people, not hundreds and hundreds'...is there anything anyone can say - even his wife was looking doubtful about his ramblings.

"real catastrophe" ? Was Hurricane Maria a TV hurricane ? 1 is too many regardless of what it is. And no there really isn't.

Kermit.de.frog

Videoed throwing paper towels to victims. What a jackass.

Manic Moran

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Videoed throwing paper towels to victims. What a jackass.

Utterly cringeworthy clip. I have no idea what genius decided that was going to be a good idea.

everlast75

Manic Moran wrote: »

Utterly cringeworthy clip. I have no idea what genius decided that was going to be a good idea.

I'm pretty sure he had orange complexion, a shítty haircut and tiny hands...

Samaris

That was even worse than expected. The script lasted all of five minutes before he freestyled off into a ball of flames.

It's like he gets up on stage, mentally replaces any crowd present with the most adoring rally crowd he had during the campaign - and then lets rip. Nixon took a hammer to American norms every so often (mostly in terms of trying to protect himself, but also a few goes at the media), but Trump just rumbles through any norms that happen to be in the way with a tank. And it is dangerous.

Not to mention deeply insulting. He was watching Fox News (or a station that reported that hoax about the trucker's union) before he went. There was a rumour that started in the bowels of the internet (I think it was traced back to an anonymous youtube video) that took quotes from statement made by someone on the ground that included reference to "only 20% [of truck drivers] getting to work". It was phrased badly, and taken out of context it started off a wild story that the truck unions went on strike in PR after the hurricane. Listening to the rest of the statement (the next damn paragraph), it's made very clear that the drivers (or unions) are not at fault - the truck drivers simply could not get -to- work, some of them had their own houses destroyed and needed to look after family, the internal road network was badly damaged and there was little to no gas on the island.

Trump referred to the damn story at least three times (that the mayor couldn't get workers to help, another dig just before he left that specified the trucks, and then that "we need more local assistance" while he was there. And it was complete, malevolent, rubbish.

This is pig-ignorant stupidity, to encourage or spread rumours about people in a disaster-zone trying to get their lives back on track. But what can you expect, his clowns were fabricating stories about the mayor as well and he hasn't the sense to check if everything (anything) he sees on F&F is accurate.

ECO_Mental

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/03/politics/trump-puerto-rico/index.html

Here is an article about his trip and sums up how crazy it was. If there was any further proof that he is certified Narcissistic Psychopath then it was this shambles:mad:

Five of the following are to be met to be determined to be cray cray

A grandiose sense of self-importance Tick
A preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Tick
A belief that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people or institutions Tick
A need for excessive admiration Tick
A sense of entitlement Tick
Interpersonally exploitive behavior Tick
A lack of empathy Tick
Envy of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her Tick
A demonstration of arrogant and haughty behaviors or attitudes Tick

https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/psychopath/the-narcissistic-psychopath-are-narcissists-psychopaths/

Didn't think he would get all of them

This fool has to be re-leaved of duty ASAP for medical reasons. I don't know how anybody can work for him, imagine standing next to him in PR yesterday and cheering this **** on saying how great he is Shameless stuff

Only for Las Vegas this shameless disgusting display in PR would be all over the news

Wanderer78

ECO_Mental wrote:

Here is an article about his trip and sums up how crazy it was. If there was any further proof that he is certified Narcissistic Psychopath then it was this shambles

I think I'm settling on narcissistic sociopath, not a whole lot of difference though

alchemist33

That performance is absolutely staggering. Even by his own standards, telling disaster victims they don't have it so bad and that everyone's saying what a good job he's doing is beyond parody - those are the exact same words a comedian would use if they were doing an impression of Trump. It's hard to imagine how the US went from Obama, who might have had his faults but was intelligent and statesmanlike, to the arrogance currently being displayed.

Wanderer78

alchemist33 wrote: »

That performance is absolutely staggering. Even by his own standards, telling disaster victims they don't have it so bad and that everyone's saying what a good job he's doing is beyond parody - those are the exact same words a comedian would use if they were doing an impression of Trump. It's hard to imagine how the US went from Obama, who might have had his faults but was intelligent and statesmanlike, to the arrogance currently being displayed.

its showing a very broken society unfortunately, this administration is potentially very dangerous for all

VinLieger

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I think I'm settling on narcissistic sociopath, not a whole lot of difference though

Im going with Grandiose Narcissist myself, I also still actually believe there's a good chance he has an advanced form a syphilis that is slowly eating his brain similar to what happened to Al Capone

Kermit.de.frog

TYT I know but we are that desperate for some sense of adequate discription of Trump at this stage!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2RfWtnF0-s

everlast75

Samaris wrote: »

But what can you expect, his clowns were fabricating stories about the mayor as well and he hasn't the sense to check if everything (anything) he sees on F&F is accurate.

Excellent post.

Just on that F&F and how much he watches it, I have no doubt considering the type of person he is, that the first time he is called bigly on some such rubbish, he will have no hesitation whatsoever in throwing them under the bus.

"you know, I watch Fox News, and I love Fox News, I watch it every day... but you know what? they got it wrong this time... and it is sad that they mislead me on this story.

I listen to them, I watch them, and they are much better than the other Fake News stations out there, but.. what can I say. They got it wrong"

There won't be one ounce of accountability on his part.

Tony EH

How can anyone keep supporting this clown? It must be embarrassing on a daily basis to be a Trump supporter.

I know a few Republican supporters in the US that are seriously thinking of switching the next time around, if a "decent" Republican candidate is not forthcoming.

VinLieger

Tony EH wrote: »

How can anyone keep supporting this clown? It must be embarrassing on a daily basis to be a Trump supporter.

I know a few Republican supporters in the US that are seriously thinking of switching the next time around, if a "decent" Republican candidate is not forthcoming.

Because they agree with him, when anyone says "he tells it like it is" they are basically saying yeah he says things I agree with. They don't notice his actions and how pathetic his overall behaviour is because they think he's speaking for them because they truly believe their voices are not being heard anymore.

That's obviously not the case at all, their voices are being heard its just they aren't the loudest anymore and in their minds that's not fair.

DickSwiveller

Tony EH wrote: »

How can anyone keep supporting this clown? It must be embarrassing on a daily basis to be a Trump supporter.

I know a few Republican supporters in the US that are seriously thinking of switching the next time around, if a "decent" Republican candidate is not forthcoming.

You, like many here, miss the point about Trump. It wasn't that people necessarily loved him - it's clear he has many character flaws; it was a combination of Trump facing the worst candidate in the history of presidential elections, and b) a big up yours to the metropolitan elite who have ignored ordinary Americans for decades. I'll give Trump one thing: He does wind up some of the most irritating people in the world aka. journalists, boards.ie posters, narcissistic celebrities, social media airheads, most of academia etc etc.

Surely that is worth something.

Tony EH

I am WELL aware of what got Trump into power.

But, that DOESN'T excuse ongoing support for this putrid fool.

And no, winding up people isn't worth anything, except to the simple minded.

DickSwiveller

Tony EH wrote: »

I am WELL aware of what got Trump into power.

But, that DOESN'T excuse ongoing support for this putrid fool.

And no, winding up people isn't worth anything, except to the simple minded.

It is very funny, though.