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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781

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The Lost Sheep

bilston wrote: »

Was Beirne the fella who partnered Henderson at U20s level (the team with Furlong, Marmion, McGrath and JJ amongst others)?

If so I remember being impressed by him at the time.

Yeah. Would have been main second row beside Henderson for games.

bilston

Was Beirne the fella who partnered Henderson at U20s level (the team with Furlong, Marmion, McGrath and JJ amongst others)?

If so I remember being impressed by him at the time.

[Deleted User]

This is the same discussion we've had a million times. There is a significant lead time to playing for Ireland as it stands.

Sangre

Former Former wrote: »

Well shut my mouth! The only one I'd seen was last week's comment on they'd find it hard to keep him, etc.

Still, November 2017 is going to come too soon I would say.

Credit to the Irish setup for getting him back. He has a lot of fans in Wales who would have loved to have seen him stay put for good.

irishbucsfan

Not sure the IRFU will finalise a contract in October for next season when they're the only destination in the running. So yes, I'd agree that November is probably too soon. And probably 6 Nations as well. But the summer tour I'd say is a runner, if he isn't run into the ground by then.

Former Former

Wegians89 wrote: »

Irish lock Beirne turns down 'very good' contract offer from Scarlets to return home
http://the42.ie/3625969

Well shut my mouth! The only one I'd seen was last week's comment on they'd find it hard to keep him, etc.

Still, November 2017 is going to come too soon I would say.

arsebiscuits1

Wegians89 wrote: »

With scarlets announcing that Bernie won't be signing a new deal with them and instead will head bsck to Ireland (Munster it seems). Would he be available to be picked for November series this season?

Definitely not the November series as he has never been in an Irish camp before

Joe likes to call the 6 nations camp pretty early and Scarlets are under no obligation to release him early so I can't see him being included there either.

Summer tour is fair game however. Would be encouraging to see him parachuted straight in.

Only an injury crisis of Dream Team levels would see Beirne called up at the moment I'd say.

Your pecking order is something along the lines of:

1) Toner
2) Hendy
3) Dillane
4) Ryan
5) Treadwell
6) Roux
7) Holland
8-12) Others including Browne, O'Connor, Molony, Ruddock etc.

(P.S. That depth chart is for illustrative purpose only. I am not going to get into a who is better and deserves to be higher or lower or who is past is it or Joe is so biased to Leinster or it's all Nuciforas fault

)

Wegians89

Former Former wrote: »

They didn't announce that. But no, he still wouldn't be available for training camps outside the test windows so I don't think he'd be included.[/quote
Irish lock Beirne turns down 'very good' contract offer from Scarlets to return home
http://the42.ie/3625969

Former Former

Wegians89 wrote: »

With scarlets announcing that Bernie won't be signing a new deal with them and instead will head bsck to Ireland (Munster it seems). Would he be available to be picked for November series this season?

They didn't announce that. But no, he still wouldn't be available for training camps outside the test windows so I don't think he'd be included.

Wegians89

aloooof wrote: »

Fair questions, I can't think of us having such a scenario before? I'd be in favour of getting him into the setup anyways, can't think of any downsides.

Chris Farrell mentioned he was talking to Schmidt a fair bit before he arrived back, but think the need for a top class second row is more then at centre this time last year

aloooof

Wegians89 wrote: »

With scarlets announcing that Bernie won't be signing a new deal with them and instead will head bsck to Ireland (Munster it seems). Would he be available to be picked for November series this season?

Fair questions, I can't think of us having such a scenario before? I'd be in favour of getting him into the setup anyways, can't think of any downsides.

Wegians89

With scarlets announcing that Bernie won't be signing a new deal with them and instead will head bsck to Ireland (Munster it seems). Would he be available to be picked for November series this season?

molloyjh

Back to 3rd in the rankings I see. Hopefully we'll cement that next month.

swiwi_

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/former-ireland-rugby-star-neville-furlong-who-scored-famous-try-against-the-all-blacks-has-died-aged-49-36169846.html

Sorry for the loss. I was at the game in Carisbrook in '92 but too young to remember Neville Furlong.

CatFromHue

He was behind Keatley and then they signed Tyler so if he'd stayed who knows if he'd have gotten any more game time than if he went to Saints.

jm08

Buer wrote: »

Being nominated for the IRB award was the worst thing possible for JJH. The expectation on him went through the roof when there was already significant hype around him largely due to the fact that he was a unicorn i.e. a Munster developed creative back with talent from a non traditional area.

He wasn't even first choice outhalf for the U20 team and suddenly some people called on him to be first choice for Munster. He would have been far better served by quietly developing without the pressure. It seemed to have fed into his own conscience too given his departure to England.

Unfortunately, his career has taken a massive setback at this point. I always compared him to Madigan but, at this point, if he achieves as much Madigan, he'll be doing well.

In fairness, he deserved that nomination - I think he was in too much of a hurry and should have listened to his coaches in Munster who were giving him time to develop. He was offered huge money to go to Northampton and I think he was a bit unlucky with injury, but they are the breaks.

By the way, Currow has produced some greats - Mick Doyle, Moss Keane, Mick Galwey, so JJ playing rugby wouldn't be that unusual in that part of Kerry.

Buer

Being nominated for the IRB award was the worst thing possible for JJH. The expectation on him went through the roof when there was already significant hype around him largely due to the fact that he was a unicorn i.e. a Munster developed creative back with talent from a non traditional area.

He wasn't even first choice outhalf for the U20 team and suddenly some people called on him to be first choice for Munster. He would have been far better served by quietly developing without the pressure. It seemed to have fed into his own conscience too given his departure to England.

Unfortunately, his career has taken a massive setback at this point. I always compared him to Madigan but, at this point, if he achieves as much Madigan, he'll be doing well.

sydthebeat

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

Can this be the next Munster thread name "JJ Hanrahan the lost AB".

What different dimension are you living in where you seen him make any sort of indication that he would be remotely close to making an AB squad?

He'd have spent two years sitting in the bench behind richie mo'unga..... Who, despite some great performances, also hasn't got a look in with the all black side.

Squidgy Black

RichieRich89 wrote: »

He made a poor career decision in going to a poorly-coached loser team like Northampton, so that has put a dampener on his development. I think He should have gone to the Crusaders at the time they lost all their outhalves and tried to qualify to play for the All Blacks.

Can this be the next Munster thread name "JJ Hanrahan the lost AB".

What different dimension are you living in where you seen him make any sort of indication that he would be remotely close to making an AB squad?

Dog Botherer

RichieRich89 wrote: »

He made a poor career decision in going to a poorly-coached loser team like Northampton, so that has put a dampener on his development. I think He should have gone to the Crusaders at the time they lost all their outhalves and tried to qualify to play for the All Blacks.

... you mean the same Crusaders where TB was 4th choice at til he moved to Munster, where JJ is now 4th choice ten, and TB 1st?

Why do i bother?

Hastentoadd

Has there been any word on Jared Payne since the lions tour. Last I heard was bad headaches

RichieRich89

stephen_n wrote: »

He couldn't take the shirt of Keatley, who in turn couldn't get a look in with Bleyendaal as 10. Yeah of course he'll be taking the 10 shirt :rolleyes:, what apart from blatant xenephobia, is the thought process there?

I see a lot of quality in Hanrahan. I think he has the mindset and talent to thrive if he was thrown in at the deep end like Carbery was against NZ. He's a very daring player. His trajectory has gone off course since Penney was run out of town, but with the right nurturing process coming from the coaching figurehead I think he can start delivering.

He made a poor career decision in going to a poorly-coached loser team like Northampton, so that has put a dampener on his development. I think He should have gone to the Crusaders at the time they lost all their outhalves and tried to qualify to play for the All Blacks.

He's not a newcomer anymore, so things need to go right for him in order for him to not to turn into another Shane Geraghty

Dog Botherer

Ah lads, JJ couldn't get past Keatley or Myler at club level, and those two are hardly worldbeaters. He's going to have to show unprecedented form just to consistently bench ahead of Scannell and Keatley at Munster, nevermind take the 10 jersey from TB.

He'll be astoundingly lucky to make an Irish training camp, Scannell, Keatley, Carty, Byrne, and Carbery would all be considered ahead of him right now.

Erik Shin

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

The JJ myth came from an era when Munster hadnt really adjusted to their new lower position in the rugby world and that everyone who pulled on the sacred jersey wasnt a god. So they werent really looking at player standard objectively. The scales have fallen from (most) eyes. But not all, it seems.

*Tumbleweed*

The Rape of Lucretia

Erik Shin wrote: »

Quite obvious that there's no thought process whatsoever in that post

The JJ myth came from an era when Munster hadnt really adjusted to their new lower position in the rugby world and that everyone who pulled on the sacred jersey wasnt a god. So they werent really looking at player standard objectively. The scales have fallen from (most) eyes. But not all, it seems.

Erik Shin

stephen_n wrote: »

He couldn't take the shirt of Keatley, who in turn couldn't get a look in with Bleyendaal as 10. Yeah of course he'll be taking the 10 shirt :rolleyes:, what apart from blatant xenephobia, is the thought process there?

Quite obvious that there's no thought process whatsoever in that post

thomond2006

Quotes.

stephen_n

RichieRich89 wrote: »

You forgot J.J. Hanrahan, probably the best of the lot. I'd say when he returns to action he'll take Bleyendaal's shirt off him proper quick, like.

He couldn't take the shirt of Keatley, who in turn couldn't get a look in with Bleyendaal as 10. Yeah of course he'll be taking the 10 shirt :rolleyes:, what apart from blatant xenephobia, is the thought process there?

The Rape of Lucretia

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Can't see him breaking into the Irish camp before the 6N.

Ever even. For all the early hype (and Munster fans assuming he was the Rog apparent), has he ever truly done anything to suggest he is international level - even with a few injures or charges ?

Jump_In_Jack

RichieRich89 wrote: »

You forgot J.J. Hanrahan, probably the best of the lot. I'd say when he returns to action he'll take Bleyendaal's shirt off him proper quick, like.

He hasn't featured yet for Munster, just back into training this week after injury,
I'd say he will on the bench a few times and maybe a couple of starts before Christmas if he's lucky,
Can't see him breaking into the Irish camp before the 6N.

Hopefully he can just perform when he gets a chance and have a good season with Munster.