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Why is it normal/OK to be obese in Ireland?.

Stonedpilot

A genuine question.

The amount of people that are gargantuan on this Island is so high I'm surprised the island doesn't sink. It's seen as like a disease by many. I remember living in a houseshare with Eastern European girls and they often commented at how absurdly fat they thought Irish women are.

It's bizarre to me that in other countries it's seen as a problem and thus people try and sort it but here the people whom are tremendously overweight are seen to have an ailment,disease, are poor unfortunates etc like its the same as leukemia or something.

I remember Katie Hopkins was on the Late Late Show making the point you can't be happy and fat (I don't know I don't care frankly) but they cut to a obese lady in the audience who had only just opened her mouth and the audience were in rapturous applause. No matter what she said they would have clapped.
Katie asked the question 'Why are you clapping?. Are you clapping because she is overweight is that it?.'

That kinda sums up the attitude here. Being fat, unhealthy and obese is something to be proud of and God forbid anyone point out it's lunacy to be the size of a manatee.
Strange. Now I will say I have all the respect in the World for people who do something about it work out, eat healthy, get involved in classes, long walks etc. Fair play to them and well done. But then there are other folk whom see it as a God given right to be obese and to be angry with everyone, and to take up a seat and a half everytime they sit on a plane,bus or train squishing whomever is unfortunately beside them.
Had a few incidents recently where I seen very overweight people be angry with total strangers.

I mean I attended a talk recently and the guy doing it was so overweight he got tired standing up and walking around the lecture room!.

As far as I'm aware no country is as tolerant to obesity as Ireland, no way does France,Italy,Spain etc see it as the norm here.

Odd.

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B0jangles

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As an aside, while it is true that only takes a few minutes to put a stir-fry together, it takes an awful lot longer to do all of the prep work. I like chopping veg, so it's no bother to me, but for someone with limited time, stir-frys are not the timesaving answer they are often sold as.

(unless you're using pre-sliced vegetables or worse, sliced frozen vegetables, aka Convenience food - the horror! the horror!)

McCrack

Hammer89 wrote: »

Your horse and kids are probably on the same diet: hay. "Yah there's only 0.4 calories per straw, so little Martin gets five straws a day and a drop of water in his beaker. If he's good, I drive past the window at our local McDonalds and let him smell it."

McDonalds is a nutritionally awful food and any adult who feeds a child it as a "treat" or otherwise should be ashamed however I think a lot of them don't appreciate how bad it is.

An adult can eat it as much as they choose and I take no issue there and make no judgements but I do with adults buying children it.

pilly

McCrack wrote: »

McDonalds is a nutritionally awful food and any adult who feeds a child it as a "treat" or otherwise should be ashamed however I think a lot of them don't appreciate how bad it is.

An adult can eat it as much as they choose and I take no issue there and make no judgements but I do with adults buying children it.

Does your big writing make your judgement more important?

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Romantic Rose

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When someone says things the way you say them the content is lost.

No one really cares WHAT you are saying because of HOW you are saying it.

I certainly hope your "food education" with your children doesnt suffer from the same failings.

Although I can guarantee you that the type of denial you are engaging in (my children wont see a chip until they are 18) is going to produce kids that LOVE chips as adults.

Quote where I said my child wouldn't see a chip until they are 18?

I said my child is 4 and I have never given her a chip.

I feed my children the way I was fed and I'm perfectly healthy thank you.

You obviously have your cage rattled because you're responding.

SusieBlue

Electric Sheep wrote: »

We used to learn nutrition in Leaving Cert Home Economics. The problem is that the nutritional recommendations seem to change every few years, so the nutritional education we received becomes outdated quite quickly.

There is no shortage of information about nutrition and food choices on the internet. Anyone who is interested can find it and apply it to their life. Anyone who is not interested will not allow themselves to be "educated" by the government.

That's really unfair. 8 years ago I was 18 and lived at home, and didn't have access to a computer let alone the internet, unless I went to the library. Smart phones weren't a thing.
Yes, there is a wealth of knowledge out there now and in more recent years, but that wasn't as readily available to me in 2009 as it is now. I used the resources that I did have available to me and it took me at least another 2 years (with a stint of bulimia thrown in the middle) before I realised where I was going wrong.

Nettle Soup

McCrack wrote: »

McDonalds is a nutritionally awful food and any adult who feeds a child it as a "treat" or otherwise should be ashamed however I think a lot of them don't appreciate how bad it is.

An adult can eat it as much as they choose and I take no issue there and make no judgements but I do with adults buying children it.

Yeah there are treats and there is that awful corporation and their awful "food". I never go there as a rule.

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Romantic Rose

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I see youre still missing the point on how your posts are coming across?

You're obviously easily offended.

If I had time for another career, it would be an nutritionist.

Tough love will reap benefits in the future.

Hitman3000

Romantic Rose wrote:

If I had time for another career, it would be an nutritionist.

You probably would have time if only you weren't spending hours meticulously planning, shopping and cooking.
See what I did there.

meeeeh

Romantic Rose wrote: »

You're obviously easily offended.

If I had time for another career, it would be an nutritionist.

Tough love will reap benefits in the future.

Do you realise that every quack can call themselves nutritionist? Only people who should be trusted about food are registered dieticians.

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noaddedsugar

I was that smug parent once, oh she'll eat anything I'd breezily say. I put it down to my fantastic parenting and the fact I had used baby led weaning instead of mushed up food. The she turned 5 and flat out refused pretty much anything. She is so fussy she wouldn't dream of eating a chip, she eats fruit, tons of fruit, she eats broccoli, raw carrots(must be raw),corn and baked beans. That is about it. Oh she eats crackers too but they have to be the aldi wholemeal ones, any other cracker is unacceptable. She absolutely won't eat any meat or chicken, she says eating animals is disgusting.

She is 7 now, I'm hoping it is just a phase.

Electric Sheep

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

There are no sidewalks anywhere in Ireland.

We have footpaths.

:pac: I live in the US, we have sidewalks for the fortunate!

Mr. CooL ICE

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Mod: Dude, rule #1 on boards.ie is "don't be a dick". By trawling through RR's posts on other threads (which are not relevant to the discussion) and bringing them into this discussion to attack her, you are being a dick.

Stop. Play nice or don't play at all.

McCrack

pilly wrote: »

Does your big writing make your judgement more important?

No

I spell checked on a Word doc and pasted back into Boards and that's the font it pasted

Electric Sheep

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

A lot of it is complete bollocks though:

Never eat sugar.
Never eat salt.
Never eat carbs.
Never eat fat.
Never eat anything processed.
Never eat anything cooked.
Never eat anything you wouldn't see on the African Savannah.

etc. etc.

That is true, but using common sense you can tell when it is bollocks.

Moderation is the key, in my opinion. If the recommendations are extreme, it's probably bull.

B0jangles

McCrack wrote: »

No

I spell checked on a Word doc and pasted back into Boards and that's the font it pasted

FYI I've found that if you paste any text into a firefox search bar and then copy+paste it from there, it strips out any formatting and makes it plain text again if that's any use

(I have no clue if this works in any other browser)

Wanderer2010

Stonedpilot wrote: »

A genuine question.

The amount of people that are gargantuan on this Island is so high I'm surprised the island doesn't sink. It's seen as like a disease by many. I remember living in a houseshare with Eastern European girls and they often commented at how absurdly fat they thought Irish women are.

It's bizarre to me that in other countries it's seen as a problem and thus people try and sort it but here the people whom are tremendously overweight are seen to have an ailment,disease, are poor unfortunates etc like its the same as leukemia or something.

I remember Katie Hopkins was on the Late Late Show making the point you can't be happy and fat (I don't know I don't care frankly) but they cut to a obese lady in the audience who had only just opened her mouth and the audience were in rapturous applause. No matter what she said they would have clapped.
Katie asked the question 'Why are you clapping?. Are you clapping because she is overweight is that it?.'

That kinda sums up the attitude here. Being fat, unhealthy and obese is something to be proud of and God forbid anyone point out it's lunacy to be the size of a manatee.
Strange. Now I will say I have all the respect in the World for people who do something about it work out, eat healthy, get involved in classes, long walks etc. Fair play to them and well done. But then there are other folk whom see it as a God given right to be obese and to be angry with everyone, and to take up a seat and a half everytime they sit on a plane,bus or train squishing whomever is unfortunately beside them.
Had a few incidents recently where I seen very overweight people be angry with total strangers.

I mean I attended a talk recently and the guy doing it was so overweight he got tired standing up and walking around the lecture room!.

As far as I'm aware no country is as tolerant to obesity as Ireland, no way does France,Italy,Spain etc see it as the norm here.

Odd.

Tolerated? And what harm are they PERSONALLY doing to you and how does it affect your life in any way, shape or form? Do your housemates also comment on how much alcohol is consumed in this country and that is also seen as completely normal and tolerated- young men and women getting so drunk they pass out, end up getting their stomach pumped, form a dependence on alcohol to mask emotions etc. Then you have the associated cost to the health service from addictions, domestic abuse, operations etc etc.

Is there any particular reason why obese people are the group of people that particularly gets you wondering about whats "tolerated" in out society today? Seems like barely covered bias in my view.

Harry Palmr

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Tolerated? And what harm are they PERSONALLY doing to you and how does it affect your life in any way, shape or form? Do your housemates also comment on how much alcohol is consumed in this country and that is also seen as completely normal and tolerated- young men and women getting so drunk they pass out, end up getting their stomach pumped, form a dependence on alcohol to mask emotions etc. Then you have the associated cost to the health service from addictions, domestic abuse, operations etc etc.

Is there any particular reason why obese people are the group of people that particularly gets you wondering about whats "tolerated" in out society today? Seems like barely covered bias in my view.

Fat is very costly for the state, it leads to conditions that are often very expensive to treat on an ongoing basis. Like alcohol.

Permabear

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Stonedpilot

pilly wrote: »

Does your big writing make your judgement more important?

The irony of this as you have been judging left right and centre on this thread, me, romantic rose etc.

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"the story tells of respectable Ben who turns out to be a cheat and a hypocrite"
synonyms: sanctimonious person, pietist, whited sepulchre, plaster saint, humbug, pretender, deceiver, dissembler, impostor; More

Coffee Fulled Runner

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Tolerated? And what harm are they PERSONALLY doing to you and how does it affect your life in any way, shape or form?

Clogging up a overburdened health care system to start. Driving up the cost health insurance too.

Zubeneschamali

Romantic Rose wrote: »

Both my children eat like horses. The difference is it is good food they are getting.

No, it isn't: calories in, calories out.

Junk food isn't bad because 1000 calories of junk makes you fatter than 1000 calories of wild rice. It stacks on the weight because people eat 5000 calories of junk instead of a sensible amount.

Wanderer2010

Permabear wrote: »

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But so does the abuse of alcohol and all the associated costs, the abuse of drugs and all the costs of counsellers, rehab centres, the damage to families is priceless. Then you have the bankers who have totally ruined this country with their behaviour, look at all the money they are on and all the money they waste. I'm still confused as to why the targeting of obese people is in any way more important or relevant than other categories of cash guzzlers?

GerryDerpy

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

No, it isn't: calories in, calories out.

Junk food isn't bad because 1000 calories of junk makes you fatter than 1000 calories of wild rice. It stacks on the weight because people eat 5000 calories of junk instead of a sensible amount.

This. Junk food is always more calorie dense. It is very easy to drop 1000 cal of fast food in a couple of minutes. You would find it difficult to eat the same in fresh veg.

Zubeneschamali

When I was a nipper, it would never have occurred to me to go into a shop near my school and spend my own money on a chicken tikka roll, massive bag of hunky dories and a litre of coke to eat as a snack on the way home.

Harry Palmr

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

When I was a nipper, it would never have occurred to me to go into a shop near my school and spend my own money on a chicken tikka roll, massive bag of hunky dories and a litre of coke to eat as a snack on the way home.

A Mars bar or an ice-cream was a genuine treat, why when I was a lad you'd be glad of the wrapper to suck on.

B0jangles

Harry Palmr wrote: »

A Mars bar or an ice-cream was a genuine treat, why when I was a lad you'd be glad of the wrapper to suck on.

When I was a child we had to take turns looking at a drawing of a mars bar.

_CreeD_

Stonedpilot wrote: »

A genuine question.
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As far as I'm aware no country is as tolerant to obesity as Ireland, no way does France,Italy,Spain etc see it as the norm here.

Odd.

Tolerant? It's not up to you to be tolerant of someone else's state, it's their choice or unintended condition.

Might aswell ask why some are short, tall, choose to have longer hair, low on the intelligence scale etc. why do we 'tolerate' it :rolleyes: