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Why is it normal/OK to be obese in Ireland?.

Stonedpilot

A genuine question.

The amount of people that are gargantuan on this Island is so high I'm surprised the island doesn't sink. It's seen as like a disease by many. I remember living in a houseshare with Eastern European girls and they often commented at how absurdly fat they thought Irish women are.

It's bizarre to me that in other countries it's seen as a problem and thus people try and sort it but here the people whom are tremendously overweight are seen to have an ailment,disease, are poor unfortunates etc like its the same as leukemia or something.

I remember Katie Hopkins was on the Late Late Show making the point you can't be happy and fat (I don't know I don't care frankly) but they cut to a obese lady in the audience who had only just opened her mouth and the audience were in rapturous applause. No matter what she said they would have clapped.
Katie asked the question 'Why are you clapping?. Are you clapping because she is overweight is that it?.'

That kinda sums up the attitude here. Being fat, unhealthy and obese is something to be proud of and God forbid anyone point out it's lunacy to be the size of a manatee.
Strange. Now I will say I have all the respect in the World for people who do something about it work out, eat healthy, get involved in classes, long walks etc. Fair play to them and well done. But then there are other folk whom see it as a God given right to be obese and to be angry with everyone, and to take up a seat and a half everytime they sit on a plane,bus or train squishing whomever is unfortunately beside them.
Had a few incidents recently where I seen very overweight people be angry with total strangers.

I mean I attended a talk recently and the guy doing it was so overweight he got tired standing up and walking around the lecture room!.

As far as I'm aware no country is as tolerant to obesity as Ireland, no way does France,Italy,Spain etc see it as the norm here.

Odd.

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Dyr

Claude Wilton wrote: »

If I must call overweight women fat, then I'll have to call fat shamers sh!tlords. Seems fair.

If you're ashamed by an objective fact then you probably should do something about it rather than try to ban facts.

Bredabe

I work along side the medical profession, many of them trained outside this country.
The recurring theme with them about this topic is...., GP's and the like not ordering(and the waiting times if they did) certain tests, and the variations on what is believed to be proper levels of this and that hormone, when they suspect patients have hormonal issues which cause them to put on weight. This extra fat is almost impossible for a non athletic to lose as there is a problem with energy regulation in the body.
As there is a particular susceptibility to certain hormonal issues in the Irish populations, they think there should be mandatory testing on everyone on a regular basis. More cost effective too.

Stonedpilot

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I made no comment about the women on Midday, that's all you. So describing the hosts as 'witches' is criticizing the programme and not a display of misogyny? You could have said the programme is sh*te but you focused on the women. Btw what's a real woman, is everyone not different?

But they are a bunch of witches and its not misogynistic. That would infer prejudice against all women. I hardly think the 4/5 witches on that show represent the over 3 billion women on Earth do you?. Bizarre logic, thats if you use any logic at all!.

givyjoe

Hitman3000 wrote: »

...... triggered......

That's definitely the operative word to describe your responses, regardless of the specific reason(s)

Dyr

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Curious, the OP starts a thread focusing just on female obesity excluding the male population. Then goes on to describe other women as witches. Yet you think I'm being triggered by some Pavlovian PC response mechanism. Cool.

He didn't just focus on female obesity though. Again with the Pavlov's posting syndrome.

He didn't call "other women" witches, he called a group of presenters on a specific daytime TV program witches. I haven't seen said program but I'd probably concur.

How are your knee's holding up with all that jerking?

Hitman3000

Stonedpilot wrote:

But they are a bunch of witches and its not misogynistic. That would infer prejudice against all women. I hardly think the 4/5 witches on that show represent the over 3 billion women on Earth do you?. Bizarre logic, thats if you use any logic at all!.

Please feel free to argue your own strawman.

Ash.J.Williams

I think the Irish way is it's better to be overweight and nice than to be fit and a bit of a cnt.

I blame the school system myself it's all about points and gaa/soccer /rugby and no real physical education. If kids were doing yoga since junior infants we would be a fitter nation.

Claude Wilton

Bambi wrote: »

If you're ashamed by an objective fact then you probably should do something about it rather than try to ban facts.

*Checks for shame* *None there*

Nope. In the meantime its Flutterin' Bantam on the Kazhi time. I might post about hardness, consistency and odour later.

Stonedpilot

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Please feel free to argue your own strawman.

Oh please, you had that egotistical higher ground nonsense with the other lad givyjoe too looking for peer reviewed research and evidence on an opinion!. This is an opinions forum (basically) we are not submitting a for a PhD in nutrition in Trinners pal.

That ivory tower must be awfully chilly these days. Wrap up warm!.

Hitman3000

Bambi wrote:

How are your knee's holding up with all that jerking?

Knees are fine no jerking whatsoever, says quite a bit when you are unable to respond without having to resort to insult. I'll give your future replies the attention they merit, which is none. Have a good one.

givyjoe

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Knees are fine no jerking whatsoever, says quite a bit when you are unable to respond without having to resort to insult. I'll give your future replies the attention they merit, which is none. Have a good one.

Eh, what insult?! If you're going to continue being that sensitive.. you'll soon be just replying to your own posts.

Hitman3000

Stonedpilot wrote:

Oh please, you had that egotistical higher ground nonsense with the other lad givyjoe too looking for peer reviewed research and evidence on an opinion!. This is an opinions forum (basically) we are not submitting a for a PhD in nutrition in Trinners pal.

So basically you can spout any auld sh*te like you have done and then get pissy when called out. lol.
Thing about Towers it gives you a bird's eye view of idiots.
I see you've dropped your strawman. Well done.

CalamariFritti

This thread is boring. Let the lions in.

Dyr

givyjoe wrote: »

Eh, what insult?! If you're going to continue being that sensitive.. you'll soon be just replying to your own posts.

And he'll be inadvertently outraged by his own posts

Claude Wilton

Hitman3000 wrote: »

So basically you can spout any auld sh*te like you have done and then get pissy when called out. lol.
Thing about Towers it gives you a bird's eye view of idiots.
I see you've dropped your strawman. Well done.

Well, as promised, I've had a god auld ****e. Firm, broad gauged and with a slightly knobbly consistency. Odour neutral, as far as I can tell.

Healthy bowel, healthy body.

In fact, I urge AH-ers to join in and tell us all of their bowel movements on this thread. The best way to combat the obesity crisis is to have a healthy, full ****e every day, and to encourage others to do so.

SusieBlue

I'm about 14lb heavier than I would like to be at the moment. About a size 12 or so, which I know isn't massive, but I have big boobs and a big bum and any extra weight around my middle makes me look huuuge.
I've fluctuated between a size 6 and a size 14 since a teenager, the size 6 last only about 8 months while I was going through a stint of bulimia. The size 14 was after spending a couple of months in a medicated haze, eating my feelings, after experiencing a loss.
Right now the extra weight is from being extremely happy in life and my relationship, and also living with a man who eats like a horse but is built like a greyhound :pac:

I know people who are natural size 8s with flat tummies who eat takeaway five times a week, practically have fizzy drinks running in their veins, drink every weekend and have chocolate and crisps for lunch. I have often heard them make snide comments about overweight and obese people and it genuinely drives me insane, because they probably eat worse than the person in question, but are blessed with good genes! And I think that is a huge problem, because these people don't actually recognise how awful their own diet is, they just see the fat person and think that person must be eating worse.

Nutritional education could really do with being improved upon in this country. I didn't eat particularly badly growing up, but I remember for my Debs (only 8 years ago), I decided to go on a diet and use the food pyramid for inspiration. I had special K cereal for breakfast, brown ham sandwich for lunch, and chicken and pasta for dinner every day, with a few other fruits and veggies thrown in. And I was genuinely baffled as to why I wasn't losing weight. I now know I was eating waaaaaaay too many carbs, but that was what was advertised by the government as healthy at the time.

I know we've come a long way since then but I honestly think educating people into making better decisions will make all the difference.

Bigbagofcans

The problem is some obese people are in denial. For those around them it's the elephant in the room.

Example: My housemate went to her GP about something non-weight related.
The GP told her she was obese and needed to lose weight.

She came back to our house and was half-laughing/half-in disbelief that "this b1tch of a doctor told me I was obese and needed to lose weight"

Cue my other friends saying 'nothing wrong with your figure hun, don't mind her'.

Lux23

Stonedpilot wrote: »

But they are a bunch of witches and its not misogynistic. That would infer prejudice against all women. I hardly think the 4/5 witches on that show represent the over 3 billion women on Earth do you?. Bizarre logic, thats if you use any logic at all!.

I really hope you're not representative of me, talk about a total lack of self-awareness.

Dial Hard

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I think the Irish way is it's better to be overweight and nice than to be fit and a bit of a cnt.

As I can personally attest, it's perfectly possible to be fit and nice

Stonedpilot

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

The problem is some obese people are in denial. For those around them it's the elephant in the room.

Example: My housemate went to her GP about something non-weight related.
The GP told her she was obese and needed to lose weight.

She came back to our house and was half-laughing/half-in disbelief that "this b1tch of a doctor told me I was obese and needed to lose weight"

Cue my other friends saying 'nothing wrong with your figure hun, don't mind her'.

Good point. People told they need to lose weight by a professional. Many take it onboard but many don't.

You never believe what that pig ignorant Dr said to me.
Forget him hunz he hasn't a clue.
Your just curvy honey etc.
Goes on all the time. Facebook and the like full of it.

I learned in life. People hate hearing the brutal truth. That includes myself hearing it years ago when I was doing silly things in the past.

Cognitive dissonance at its best or worst.

Its an epidemic.

B0jangles

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Good point. People told they need to lose weight by a professional. Many take it onboard but many don't.

You never believe what that pig ignorant Dr said to me.
Forget him hunz he hasn't a clue.
Your just curvy honey etc.
Goes on all the time. Facebook and the like full of it.

I learned in life. People hate hearing the brutal truth. That includes myself hearing it years ago when I was doing silly things in the past.

Cognitive dissonance at its best or worst.

Its an epidemic.

Odd that all of your invented phrases are written in a woman's voice, especially given that the obesity issue is slightly worse among men than it is women.

Also your posts are generally very poorly informed and lack anything in the way of useful information or insight.

Sorry to be so brutal, but the truth must be told.

blue note

There’s so much that can be said on this topic.

For one – I think the vast majority of things written / talked about on TV are not saying that being overweight is anything other than unhealthy. However, for those in denial about being overweight, that minority of media about plus sizes being normal is plentiful if that’s what you want to read. And that’s not completely a bad thing. There’s a mental side to being overweight that can be a real struggle. And having nothing but negative things said about your weight can get you down mentally, in a counterproductive way. If someone is struggling with their weight and reads an occasional article telling them it’s not all bad – that’s not a bad thing. For the people who binge on this message (as well as jaffa cakes) then it’s a problem.

The causes of obesity are plentiful. I have a more varied diet now than I ever did, but takeaways and treats are far more normal to me than ever before. Generally my diet is very good, but I did the shopping yesterday and picked up a custard slice and some jellies and though nothing about it (other than they were delicious). We might have had more potatoes and bread growing up, but definitely less treats by a distance. Also, portion sizes have spiralled out of control. Take a look at what used to be considered a dinner plate and look at the size of them now. You fit so much more food on plates now (and we fill them).

The fad diets are largely people looking for a silver bullet that doesn’t exist. If you want to be a healthy weight, the main thing you need to do is eat healthily, then exercise. You can eat carbs, fat, some sugar, some treats. But treats need to be just that, instead of a part of your daily diet. Portion sizes need to be reasonable. Ratio’s between veg / protein / carbs need be reasonable. Takeaways need to be a once a month thing, not once a week. And changing from snacking every day on crisps or chocolate, eating a weekly takeaway, having chips a few times a week, drinking a daily cappachino and whatever else is seriously hard. It’s a massive lifestyle change and will cause tears, but that’s what needs to happen if you want to get to a healthy weight.

And finally, an aspect of this discussion that annoys me is people saying things like “fat people aren’t beautiful, they’re just fat!” Being fat and ugly or skinng and beautiful aren’t the same thing! Some overweight people can be extremely attractive (and some healthy weight people can not be). And there’s nothing wrong with that. Also, seeing plus sized models and plus sized mannikins to me is a good thing. Overweight people want to look good and when they’re looking for clothes want to see how they’re going to look on someone of their shape. That’s what models and mannikins are for! Their job isn’t to be role models for the youth of today.

Dyr

B0jangles wrote: »

Odd that all of your invented phrases are written in a woman's voice, especially given that the obesity issue is slightly worse among men than it is women.

Also your posts are generally very poorly informed and lack anything in the way of useful information or insight.

Sorry to be so brutal, but the truth must be told.

Generally speaking, men don't maintain a pity posse that they can call on for public validation about their appearance.

givyjoe

B0jangles wrote: »

Odd that all of your invented phrases are written in a woman's voice, especially given that the obesity issue is slightly worse among men than it is women.

Also your posts are generally very poorly informed and lack anything in the way of useful information or insight.

Sorry to be so brutal, but the truth must be told.

How are you making out that his posts are poorly informed? Your real issue seems to be with your perception that he's picking on women. Do you really believe that conversations he imagined don't happen all the time?

If you think overweight women are 'picked on', you should see what it can be like for an overweight guy among male friends. Merciless 'fat shaming' and slagging. You can bet there won't be any 'don't be silly, you look gorgeous etc'.

pumpkin4life

B0jangles wrote: »

Odd that all of your invented phrases are written in a woman's voice, especially given that the obesity issue is slightly worse among men than it is women.

Also your posts are generally very poorly informed and lack anything in the way of useful information or insight.

Sorry to be so brutal, but the truth must be told.

Eh, he's kind of right.

Women are more likely to tell other fat women that "they're beautiful and that they're perfect in every way and that only shallow men like skinny wans and you don't need no man". Men are some bit more likely to say "Yeah, you're a fat bastard, you better get that sorted out". It's hilarious in an over the top Dr Evil way if you ask me.

But anyway, there won't be a solution to the obesity problem because the advice given to people is so terrible, people like dragging each other down and most people don't have the discipline to eat healthy.

I predict that in the future you'll see more people like this:

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And more people that look like this:

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With the disparity growing ever more pronounced.

We're talking a more chisquared distribution of weight rather than normal.

B0jangles

Bambi wrote: »

Generally speaking, men don't maintain a pity posse that they can call on for public validation about their appearance.

I call out a poster for making generalizations about women and you defend him by.... aking a generalization about women.

Well done?

givyjoe

B0jangles wrote: »

I call out a poster for making generalizations about women and you defend him by.... aking a generalization about women.

Well done?

Do you have any actually observations to make yourself, or are you just going to continue being outraged by anything you view to be critical of women?

B0jangles

givyjoe wrote: »

How are you making out that his posts are poorly informed? Your real issue seems to be with your perception that he's picking on women. Do you really believe that conversations he imagined don't happen all the time?

If you think overweight women are 'picked on', you should see what it can be like for an overweight guy among male friends. Merciless 'fat shaming' and slagging. You can bet there won't be any 'don't be silly, you look gorgeous etc'.

He seems to think that putting lettuce on a burger makes it a healthier choice, and is here lecturing overweight people about their apparent ignorance of how to eat well.

I don't think he's terribly well-placed to be giving diet and health advice to anyone.

Dyr

B0jangles wrote: »

I call out a poster for making generalizations about women and you defend him by.... aking a generalization about women.

Well done?

I made a generalization about men, that's why the first word word was "Generally"

And it's an accurate one too.

B0jangles

Bambi wrote: »

Generally speaking, men don't maintain a pity posse that they can call on for public validation about their appearance.

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Eh, he's kind of right.

Women are more likely to tell other fat women that "they're beautiful and that they're perfect in every way and that only shallow men like skinny wans and you don't need no man". Men are some bit more likely to say "Yeah, you're a fat bastard, you better get that sorted out". It's hilarious in an over the top Dr Evil way if you ask me.

givyjoe wrote: »

Do you have any actually observations to make yourself, or are you just going to continue being outraged by anything you view to be critical of women?

It's ok stonedpilot, your pity posse here has got your back!