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Why is it normal/OK to be obese in Ireland?.

Stonedpilot

A genuine question.

The amount of people that are gargantuan on this Island is so high I'm surprised the island doesn't sink. It's seen as like a disease by many. I remember living in a houseshare with Eastern European girls and they often commented at how absurdly fat they thought Irish women are.

It's bizarre to me that in other countries it's seen as a problem and thus people try and sort it but here the people whom are tremendously overweight are seen to have an ailment,disease, are poor unfortunates etc like its the same as leukemia or something.

I remember Katie Hopkins was on the Late Late Show making the point you can't be happy and fat (I don't know I don't care frankly) but they cut to a obese lady in the audience who had only just opened her mouth and the audience were in rapturous applause. No matter what she said they would have clapped.
Katie asked the question 'Why are you clapping?. Are you clapping because she is overweight is that it?.'

That kinda sums up the attitude here. Being fat, unhealthy and obese is something to be proud of and God forbid anyone point out it's lunacy to be the size of a manatee.
Strange. Now I will say I have all the respect in the World for people who do something about it work out, eat healthy, get involved in classes, long walks etc. Fair play to them and well done. But then there are other folk whom see it as a God given right to be obese and to be angry with everyone, and to take up a seat and a half everytime they sit on a plane,bus or train squishing whomever is unfortunately beside them.
Had a few incidents recently where I seen very overweight people be angry with total strangers.

I mean I attended a talk recently and the guy doing it was so overweight he got tired standing up and walking around the lecture room!.

As far as I'm aware no country is as tolerant to obesity as Ireland, no way does France,Italy,Spain etc see it as the norm here.

Odd.

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Sam Kade

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Alcohol.

And the dairy industry.

So you're a tee total vegan :rolleyes:

keith_sixteen

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Just look at the sheer amount of take away establishments around.

Think of how many you know within 1 mile of your house.

This is a good point. I live in Central Europe and was surprised at how few take aways there are.

In addition, there are strict rules for what the kids can eat at school. Soft drinks, chocolate etc. are out of the question.

Obesity is a rarity here.

Hitman3000

givyjoe wrote:

Do you have any data to back that up?!

It's AH dude according to you no need to back anything up. Just say what you think.

Sam Kade

osarusan wrote: »

You found it odd that people didn't comment to others on how they'd become fat?

I would not find that odd at all. Fairly standard in our social norms, surely.

In the same way we would compliment somebody on how they still looked so young, but not on how old/grey/wrinkled somebody else had become.

You'd still get clowns to tell you how grey your hair is, the reply is Fcuk it thanks for telling me that I'de have never known only for you

givyjoe

Hitman3000 wrote: »

It's AH dude according to you no need to back anything up. Just say what you think.

So according to yourself, your point is any auld crap. Thanks for confirming.

Knex*

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

Overheard some comments lately about people criticising Kathryn Thomas for presenting 'The Biggest Loser'.
They were saying she was too skinny and not a normal weight and makes the contestants feel bad standing next to her.

I see a perfectly healthy and fit woman who should be inspiring people to lose weight and get fit, not tear her down because she doesn't fit into the 'average Irish female size of 14'.

Honestly, I think this is something that happens in many different areas when judging successful people. Be it success in their appearance, their work, or whatever, its easier to tear them down than it is to use them as a source of inspiration, or motivation to achieve similar.

Its a sort of subconscious defense mechanism for justifying your own comparative lack of success.

I myself am extremely culpable of doing this, but it is something I am aware of and have gotten better at over the years.

Hitman3000

givyjoe wrote:

So according to yourself, your point is any auld crap. Thanks for confirming.

Not at all, it's you that claimed you don't need to back anything up. Then you contradict yourself. Serious case of butthurt there buddy. I'm done responding to you. Have a good one.

mrsdewinter

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I live in a rural location where I can honestly say obesity is at a near none existent level. Maybe it's just townies that are obese you know easy access to Micky D's and SuperM's.

Oh, right. So you've got your peer-reviewed journal to hand there?
In the realm of observation, I live in Dublin but spend a lot of time in the west of Ireland. The last time I was in Galway, there was a noticeable increase, compared to Dublin, of people who were overweight & looked unwell. I'm well aware of the food options available to people who live both in cities and in the countryside. Small towns & villages are well served as regards fast food.

Stonedpilot

B0jangles wrote: »

Do you think putting salad on a burger magically makes it a healthier option?

Or are you talking about a bap filled with salad only?

Because the first is... umm misguided, shall we say, and I've never heard of the second being sold in a chipshop either, but then I do a lot of from-scratch cooking, so I very rarely eat take-aways or chipper stuff.

Maybe your friend's housemate just isn't as up-to-date on the menu in your local chipper as you are?

Never Once said it was healthier. Nothing in a chipper is. Point I was making is he didnt know there are other toppings to a burger other than bacon, wads of cheese etc. There are obese people who dont even see lettuce as a food and are astonished you would put it on anything.

Lux23

Who genuinely gives a s**t about other people's weight? People complain about obesity so they have an excuse to be mean to others and make themselves feel better about whatever crap they are dealing with. ( They're ugly, but at least they ain't fat!) I honestly think some posters in this thread have some sort of personality disorder they are so concerned with fat people. Get a grip.

Hitman3000

mrsdewinter wrote:

Oh, right. So you've got your peer-reviewed journal to hand there? In the realm of observation, I live in Dublin but spend a lot of time in the west of Ireland. The last time I was in Galway, there was a noticeable increase, compared to Dublin, of people who were overweight & looked unwell. I'm well aware of the food options available to people who live both in cities and in the countryside. Small towns & villages are well served as regards fast food.

It's your claim not mine, I only asked you to back it up. Population Galway circa 77,000 Poulation of Dublin circa 1.1 million. Not really comparable tbh honest. So where in Galway did you carry out your observations Shop street? Salthill or Supermacs?

[Deleted User]

A salad burger sounds like a burger patty in a salad bowl. I'd be asking too if i heard of that in a chipper

seachto7

Every second shop is a takeaway and the culture in Ireland is to drink ones brains out most weeks. Eat properly and cut down or cut out alcohol, and you'll see changes in a few months with little to no exercise. Exercise can only make things better then.
There's a lot of "I'm overweight, I don't care, I'm confident, cocky and a stunna!". Well, all well and good. Feel good about yourself sure, but it's not healthy. Not that you *have* to be thin, but don't be complaining about being overweight while you're skulling vodka and beer every weekend and eating sh*t.

I notice a trend at work for ordering in food from these trendy healthy food places. Paleo, vegan etc. €10 a salad or the €7 for a sandwich. You could spend the €10 in Lidl and have the same from Mon - Fri. Add in your €3 for muck coffee a day...

[Deleted User]

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Alcohol.

And the dairy industry.

Not agreeing.

In Italy there is very cheap alcohol and much dairy.

[Deleted User]

Lux23 wrote: »

Who genuinely gives a s**t about other people's weight? People complain about obesity so they have an excuse to be mean to others and make themselves feel better about whatever crap they are dealing with. ( They're ugly, but at least they ain't fat!) I honestly think some posters in this thread have some sort of personality disorder they are so concerned with fat people. Get a grip.

Careful. You sound like a fat apologist!

Claude Wilton

Stonedpilot wrote: »

What did the cards say? Get well soon?.

Not quite.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/01/fat-shaming-cards-tube-overweight-haters-ltd-police

givyjoe

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Not at all, it's you that claimed you don't need to back anything up. Then you contradict yourself. Serious case of butthurt there buddy. I'm done responding to you. Have a good one.

Ha, you seriously need to work on your reading comprehension.. i didn't say you dont need to back anything up.. i said if everyone needs to back everything up with 'peer reviewed data' then we all may as well stop posting.

You have made your own points without any evidence.. so pot kettle black and all that.

And let's be honest, you're done responding because the flaw in your 'logic' has been exposed. As for butthurt, my ass is fine thanks. It was quite satisfying picking your point apart.

noaddedsugar

Feckoffcup wrote: »

Either you go to the gym or you're overweight. That's the way the majority of Irish women. It's rare to see someone who doesn't work out and have a flat tummy especially over 30.

I'm over 30 and don't have a flat tummy, I'm not over weight though and I don't go to the gym. I have a bmi of 21, I cycle everywhere, I walk the dog for an hour a day, I do yoga. I've given birth to two children, I work fulltime, I am trying to get a business off the ground, a flat tummy really isn't up there in my priorities. Staying fit and healthy is a priority and I am fit and healthy, I eat well and exercise, I don't drink, I don't smoke.

Not having a flat tummy does not equal overweight and unhealthy. Sometimes when I read these discussions, esp when it is mainly men focusing on overweight women I wonder how much of it actually concern about an obesity crisis and how much of it is men just wanting women to look 'good' for them. They seem to get pissed that women are happy as they are and dgaf if men find them attractive or not, it's like they want womens feelings self worth to depend on their validation.

[Deleted User]

Bambi wrote: »

Taxing won't work, just gives the govt a reason to leave it as is.

Put a red zone in shops where all these products have to be placed.

Just put narrow doors way to get in :pac:

Lux23

noaddedsugar wrote: »

Sometimes when I read these discussions, esp when it is mainly men focusing on overweight women I wonder how much of it actually concern about an obesity crisis and how much of it is men just wanting women to look 'good' for them. They seem to get pissed that women are happy as they are and dgaf if men find them attractive or not, it's like they want womens feelings self worth to depend on their validation.

Exactly. How dare these women be happy with how they look without male validation. You're not sexy unless we say so, woman!!

Stonedpilot

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I think your issue may have more to do with misogyny than obesity tbh.

But I love women and have always got on great with them from all ages to all backgrounds and all cultures. You can criticize a tv show without being misogynistic. Certainly dont think the witches on midday represent women. Do you?. If you think they represent general women you have a terribly low opinion of women pal!.

B0jangles

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Never Once said it was healthier. Nothing in a chipper is. Point I was making is he didnt know there are other toppings to a burger other than bacon, wads of cheese etc. There are obese people who dont even see lettuce as a food and are astonished you would put it on anything.

Are you claiming with a straight face that this friend of your housemate was unaware of the existence of lettuce?

Does he look at the pictures in McDonalds or Burgerking and think 'What IS that mysterious green layer????"

???

seachto7

This thread won't attract the guys commenting on the "most beautiful women in the world" thread.

[Deleted User]

Claude Wilton wrote: »

In London some time back some fella thought it was great crack to hand out cards on the Tube to random women of the plus size variety.

At least here if someone tried that stunt on the Dart or Luas they'd get a well-deserved advisory chat. Well, maybe not a chat.

This is a big part of the problem. Over the weight men and women should not have their weight condition sanitised by calling it plus. It is not plus, it is fat

Hitman3000

Stonedpilot wrote:

But I love women and have always got on great with them from all ages to all backgrounds and all cultures. You can criticize a tv show without being misogynistic. Certainly dont think the witches on midday represent women. Do you?. If you think they represent general women you have a terribly low opinion of women pal!.

I made no comment about the women on Midday, that's all you. So describing the hosts as 'witches' is criticizing the programme and not a display of misogyny? You could have said the programme is sh*te but you focused on the women. Btw what's a real woman, is everyone not different?

purcela

The obesity levels in Ireland (and USA etc) are completely attributable to the sugar content in a lot of the food that is available to consumers.

I recently visited Sri Lanka and it was very noticeable that there were very few obese or overweight people living there. They eat a lot of rice and bread in their daily diet, but it is freshly prepared and not covered in sugar laden sauces. Also their snacks consist of fruit rather than chocolate, crisps etc. Also they have a high vegetable content in their diet, again fresh.

Stonedpilot

B0jangles wrote: »

Are you claiming with a straight face that this friend of your housemate was unaware of the existence of lettuce?

Does he look at the pictures in McDonalds or Burgerking and think 'What IS that mysterious green layer????"

Im sure he has a vague notion of its existance. He didnt know it was a food source and could be put in things because he never did himself.

Dyr

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I made no comment about the women on Midday, that's all you. So describing the hosts as 'witches' is criticizing the programme and not a display of misogyny? You could have said the programme is sh*te but you focused on the women. Btw what's a real woman, is everyone not different?

I find it hard to decide if people nowadays are mental or just conditioned by some sort of politically correct Pavlovian training regime to scream "misogyny" the whole time

I suppose its the same difference anyway

Claude Wilton

Deleted User wrote: »

This is a big part of the problem. Over the weight men and women should not have their weight condition sanitised by calling it plus. It is not plus, it is fat

If I must call overweight women fat, then I'll have to call fat shamers sh!tlords. Seems fair.

Hitman3000

Bambi wrote:

I find it hard to decide if people nowadays are mental or just conditioned by some sort of politically correct Pavlovian training regime to scream "misogyny" the whole time

Curious, the OP starts a thread focusing just on female obesity excluding the male population. Then goes on to describe other women as witches. Yet you think I'm being triggered by some Pavlovian PC response mechanism. Cool.