Billy86 wrote: » We can start with the majority of "birthers" - we know there are a whole tonne of them. As to what percentage they make up it's anyone's guess, but they run well into the tens if not hundreds of thousands. Show them your birth cert and they'll still think you're a Kenyan.
That's because in office Trump came to realise that he couldn't outright ban Muslims (it's impossible to prove very often), and the reality that trying to ban Muslim countries that fattened his wallet would mean less money for him personally. So he sold his voters out and went for a cheap trick instead (it's come to be expected of him). But none of that does anything to change the fact that he quite clearly has issues with Muslims as Leroy said, and was bleating on about Muslim bans almost a full year before the election.
The U.S. notified all countries in July of “baseline” standards they would need to meet to avoid travel restrictions, said Miles Taylor, a counselor to Duke at DHS. Several countries didn’t respond to the U.S. requests for more information, he said. “Some countries didn’t even have the courtesy to say ‘fly a kite’,” Taylor said. “We’re talking about countries that were willfully non-compliant and refused to engage with the United States.”
Leroy42 wrote: » Celticfire, what do you consider a racist to be?
Museums are now racist, according to Professors Tasha N. Dubriwny and Kristan Poirot, from Texas A&M University – the same university that has a racist professor who called for the killing of white people. The seeking of objective truth and facts is now...racist. Using one's hands while speaking is now racist. Mathematics is now racist. The OK sign is racist Park benches are now racist. White cooks selling burritos is now racist. (It remains to be seen whether whites eating Mexican food at Mexican restaurants will also be considered racist.) University of Iowa professor Sarah Bond has declared that white marble, used in sculpture, is racist. Using mathematics in art, such as the Fibonacci ratio, is racist, and used by Nazis. Lisa Wade, a sociology professor at Occidental College in California (again), called for the banning of fraternities having white members but retaining black fraternities. According to the U.K.'s Oxford University's Equality and Diversity Unit, not making eye contact is racism and can cause "mental ill-health." Truth is racism. The painting of a black person by a white artist is now racist. Certain hairstyles are now racist. Green frogs are now racist. Plastic wrap is either racist or sexist (not sure which). Asao B. Inoue, who teaches writing at University of Washington, Tacoma, has declared grammar racist. Psychologist Steven Pinker of Harvard University has likewise condemned the use of grammar as oppressively racist. Homeschooling is now racist Milk is Racist. Etc etc etc.......
VinLieger wrote: » In lighter news Kushner has been registered to vote as a woman for the last 8 yearshttp://www.thejournal.ie/kushner-vote-woman-3619383-Sep2017/
MadYaker wrote: » I'm not convinced he's actually a racist. He panders to the white supremacists and the racists and islamophobes because he knows they form the core of his (shrinking) base. But there is little evidence of real racism in his past. The guy was a new york democrat for most of his life who donated loads of money to the political campaigns of people like Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton. He is a narcissist who will say anything to please the people sat in front of him because he likes people patting him on the head and telling him he's great. He doesn't care if those people are vile individuals. The media are doing their utmost to paint him as a racist though. Honestly I think a lot of the people on the left side of the spectrum are just as bad as the loony Trump supporters you see on reddit. Their hatred of Trump has turned a lot of people into bitter individuals, it's just the other side of the coin. Democrats and liberals in the US used to value things like decency, transparency, inclusiveness and logical reasoning and some still do but it seems Trumps election has radicalised a lot of people on the left and now they are engaging in all the same behaviours that they used to hate republicans and conservatives for. You see plenty of outright bias and twisting of facts from media outlets such as The Hill, The Daily Beast and Newsweek. They are no different to fox news and breitbart.
Celticfire wrote: » I think the left has it summed up nicely. Everything is Racist. Was the poster earlier in this thread a Racist for suggesting that it could be assumed Puerto Ricans would vote Democrat like Mexicans because both groups are Latinos? Is Bill86's cousin a racist because he calls all hispanics Mexican regardless of where they come from. Was it also racist of posters in this thread to ignore The Governor and locals of Puerto Rico (who are Hispanic) who said that the were happy with Trumps response to the disaster and then to go ahead contrary to The Governor and locals word and make the claim that Trump was being racist and not helping Puerto Rico because they are too poor, Hispanic and not voters . The word "Racist" is thrown around like confetti so pardon me if I don't subscribe to your identity politics.
Celticfire wrote: » Notwithstanding that you don't actually have evidence that "Birthers" don't consider Americans of all ethnic varieties "real Americans" and you've no idea how many there actually are let's throw in a few of your other favorite group that you like to attribute being Trump fans "white supremacists " and give an arbitrary figure of 200,000. So that's approx 0.3% of the 62,000,000 Trump voters that meet your claim (a claim made with no actual evidence). So 99.7% of Trump supporters believe that Americans of all ethnic backgrounds are "real Americans".
Has he opened a few hotels in Sudan all of a sudden? Has Sudan converted to being a Christian country in the last few months? Have North Korea and Venezuela gone Islamic also in that time? You actively choose to ignore this statement as to why country's are still on the ban list but still choose to spout "Muslim" ban.
Celticfire wrote: » I think the left has it summed up nicely. Everything is Racist.
Christy42 wrote: » He was part time of the birther movement before he needed his base. I am also less convinced about the significance of the difference between being a racist and pretending to be a racist to keep your base happy. Same end result and not a better person morally.
recedite wrote: » Are we back to real Mexicans now, or is this your expanded definition which includes every latino/hispanic person? Trumps infamous quote was referring to uncontrolled and unvetted immigration. He actually said he liked Mexico. If people are crossing the border illegally in the middle of the night, then it stands to reason that they are more likely to be a drugs smuggler than a brain surgeon.
The USA has a lot of Korean immigrants. They settle in well and don't tend to get involved in terrorism. The record for people from Islamic countries is not as good. Why is that? Is it because the Koreans are inherently a more peaceful race of people? No, the less racist answer to that question is that Islam is not a race, and not even just a religion, it is an ideology. Adherents from certain islamic countries have usually been raised and educated in this ideology which makes them less compatible with western values.
They may have been raised as homophobic, misogynistic, intolerant of other religions, that sharia law is better than civil law, that a country run according to sharia is better than a democracy, and that the ultimate honour is to be martyred in the name of Islam.
And then there are some other mainly muslim countries such as Malaysia which are more tolerant. And some such as Saudi which are intolerant, but are so rich that they would not want to give up their own citizenship anyway. Restrictions on immigration from these would make less sense. The USA has always had a problem with welcoming immigrants from ideologies that it regards as incompatible with its own. A standard question on arrival is "Are you or have you ever been a member of the nazi party or the communist party". If you answered Yes to such ideologies then you are probably going to be rejected.
Leroy42 wrote: » So what do you define as racist? You gave a nice diatribe about what "the left" think. What do you think it is?
racist NOUN A person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another. ‘I had a fear of being called a racist’
Celticfire wrote: » You already posted up the nice handy dictionary definition of what a racist is. I've also given my opinion.... everything can be racist if one wants.
Itssoeasy wrote: » since Celticfire misread the question. This is the official definition.
Originally Posted by Leroy42 Celticfire, what do you consider a racist to be?
Celticfire wrote: » Actually you misread the question. I wasn't asked for the dictionary definition, that was already given. I gave my opinion.
Water John wrote: » Fekin brilliant!!!
demfad wrote: » As the presidency has been more or less a series of big shocks one has to wonder if this 'shock politics' is not deliberate. In the campaign it allowed Trump to move on from scandal: the next shock knocking the scandal out of the news scandal. This allowed him to control it. As president these shocks stun the public (terrorizing certain groups) so they can't form coherent resistance and even if they can it is defensive so no credible alternative to the system that produced Trump emerges. These shocks will allow Trump more opportunity to further undermine democracy, whether its property bubbles, or terrorist attacks/wars resulting from foreign policy. To understand this presidency it can be seen as the natural consequence of the regulation free market. The corporations have now simply taken over. The green energy shift will be reversed because Exxon Mobil is SoS. Boeing is defence. Goldman Sachs is everything else. The other appointments reflect the inevitable far right/religious nationalism/racism needed for this type of regime.
Nody wrote: » Looks like the turbulence around Trump's WH will continue; Tom Price (Healthcare minister) is under heavy criticism for using the state yet for private travel for over 300k USD. Trump's response if he would be fired was "We'll see" which is Trumpism for yes in most cases.
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