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Why is it normal/OK to be obese in Ireland?.

Stonedpilot

A genuine question.

The amount of people that are gargantuan on this Island is so high I'm surprised the island doesn't sink. It's seen as like a disease by many. I remember living in a houseshare with Eastern European girls and they often commented at how absurdly fat they thought Irish women are.

It's bizarre to me that in other countries it's seen as a problem and thus people try and sort it but here the people whom are tremendously overweight are seen to have an ailment,disease, are poor unfortunates etc like its the same as leukemia or something.

I remember Katie Hopkins was on the Late Late Show making the point you can't be happy and fat (I don't know I don't care frankly) but they cut to a obese lady in the audience who had only just opened her mouth and the audience were in rapturous applause. No matter what she said they would have clapped.
Katie asked the question 'Why are you clapping?. Are you clapping because she is overweight is that it?.'

That kinda sums up the attitude here. Being fat, unhealthy and obese is something to be proud of and God forbid anyone point out it's lunacy to be the size of a manatee.
Strange. Now I will say I have all the respect in the World for people who do something about it work out, eat healthy, get involved in classes, long walks etc. Fair play to them and well done. But then there are other folk whom see it as a God given right to be obese and to be angry with everyone, and to take up a seat and a half everytime they sit on a plane,bus or train squishing whomever is unfortunately beside them.
Had a few incidents recently where I seen very overweight people be angry with total strangers.

I mean I attended a talk recently and the guy doing it was so overweight he got tired standing up and walking around the lecture room!.

As far as I'm aware no country is as tolerant to obesity as Ireland, no way does France,Italy,Spain etc see it as the norm here.

Odd.

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pjohnson

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

If you exercised you be slim. The Obese people i have met don't exercise.

I think John Hayes was technically Obese but he excercised.

Hitman3000

Cheerful Spring wrote:

If you exercised you be slim. The Obese people i have met don't exercise.

Simplistic statement tbh. I regularly run marathons and you get to know other people who do them regularly aswell. Quite a few if you saw them on the street you would describe as obese.

Harry Palmr

I remember the 70's/80s we were all skinny feckers in drainpipe denim's.

The Irish have got fat on (relative) success and modern life there is no way around that observation. Far fewer people work in the fields, no child walks far to school, we 'all' sit in front of screens snacking away without a thought. Luckily my metabolism is rampant so I'm still the width I was when a 20 year old but anyone who doesn't burn through carbs is doomed to become a lump unless they live a deliberate and conscientiously healthy lifestyle.

Electric Sheep

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Does this apply to fellas aswell? women don't have a monopoly on obesity.

Fat men don't think they are fat. Some men call women that have a lower BMI than they do fat.

I know fat men who say they would not date a fat woman.

Cheerful Spring

If you exercised you be slim. The Obese people i have met don't exercise.

Hitman3000

Sam Quentin wrote:

Skinny girls think they're fat,, fat girls think they're skinny and obese girls think they're super models :-)

Does this apply to fellas aswell? women don't have a monopoly on obesity.

hytrogen

bluewolf wrote:

I much prefer boiled broccoli to crunchy broccoli. And I'll happily eat a plate of it. There, I said it.

Call Kenny loggins

B0jangles

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Skinny girls think they're fat,, fat girls think they're skinny and obese girls think they're super models :-)

And Sam Quentin thinks he's a comedian.

Sam Quentin

Skinny girls think they're fat,, fat girls think they're skinny and obese girls think they're super models :-)

B0jangles

Permabear wrote: »

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So why has the US got such an obesity problem, given that the majority of people have to pay for their own healthcare? If your theory is correct, wouldn't the majority of the population be as slim and fit as possible to avoid having to pay large premiums, or to avoid being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Stonedpilot wrote: »

As far as I'm aware no country is as tolerant to obesity as Ireland, no way does France,Italy,Spain etc see it as the norm here.

You're obviously not aware of the socially accepted and, indeed desired, obesity in Palau, Nauru, Marshall Islands, Samoa, Tonga, Kiribati, Tuvalu or Fiji.

And obesity levels in Spain are just slightly above those here.

Hitman3000

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Which demonstrates the necessity of a sugar tax.

Permabear

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MonkieSocks

Sugar, processed food,take aways and microwave meals combined with lack of physical activity is the problem.

Portions should never be more than twice the size of ayour fist.

Watching a good docu on it last night called "Miso Hungry"

Obese guy goes to Japan to try there way of living and eating.

While they were eating healthly, the Japanese put it mainly down to exercise.

Mostly walking almost everywhere they to go.

topper75

The Irish don't do self-control very well.

The item isn't the issue (fat, carbs, sugar, booze, buy-to-let houses, bets at the bookies).

The issue is the inability to say to themselves "I've probably had enough there now for the moment. Let's leave it there".

B.A._Baracus

Could it be that certain people's definition of "fat" is way off?

If you're out and about then just look at the amount of people that pass you who are fat. Most people ain't fat. Some are. Most not.

Having a couple of extra pounds does not make you fat.

seamus

Permabear wrote: »

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Uh-oh, "Socialism" alert!

Let's not forget that US has no socialised health care yet somehow spends more taxpayer money per capita on it than anywhere else.

This is not a financial burdens issue, it's a social burdens issue. Like anything which has significant effects on health - be that obesity, stress, smoking, drinking, reckless driving - there comes with these an enormous burden on society, and an enormous cost to society regardless of whether the state is paying for the person in a hospital bed, or the person is dying in the gutter.

I don't care what people look like, but I do care about their efforts to offload the medical costs of their obesity related illnesses onto others.

Which logically follows that you think fat people should pay more for insurance, or be denied insurance. Which, if followed through, logically allows for coverage to be increased or denied for a whole host of things. Like drinking. Or stress. Or depression. Or post-partum complications.

And one way or another the state will have to shoulder the burden. They will either pay for a hospital bed, or have to deal with people dying in the street of preventable illnesses.

The fantasy that if people have to pay for their own healthcare they'll suddenly become really intelligent and careful, is just that - a fantasy.

If the cost to the state is your concern, then the cheapest option by far for the state is to pump money into fighting obesity on all fronts. Forcing people to shoulder the cost of their own obesity related illnesses will counter-intuitively cost the state a whole lot more.

Electric Sheep

Day Lewin wrote: »

Have you ever visited the United States, OP?
They're huge,, they're all huge.
The United Kingdom?
Massive.
Take my word for it - if you travel a bit in those countries, you'd come home to Ireland and find the population pleasantly normal-looking.

In my experience of the US, people in the Northeast and the West Coast tend to have much lower rates of obesity,

There is not one obese person in my workplace at the moment. In the 20 years I have worked here, there has only been one obese person.

When I travel to our Mid Western office, I am always struck when waiting for my flight back in the airport how very very much heavier people are there.

Stonedpilot

pilly wrote: »

If you don't have a clue you can't go around making sh1t up "pal".

You Can't?. I stand corrected please forgive me.Haha need to take a long hard look at that ego pal!. 2052ac7d59c9a8a88356e4bc60aabdad--false-friends-quotes-being-ignored-quotes.jpg

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pilly

Hammer89 wrote: »

Was the talk called 'Conquering your inner idiot by learning about a subject before you spark a debate on it?'

:D:D:D:D:D

wakka12

Plenty of countries, UK canada USa to name a few, are easily as accepting of it.
Who says nobody cares about the obesity in ireland? Id bet my life every single obese person in Ireland has been verybally abused by drunk strangers several times in their life, and I bet many of their friends and family make snide remarks or pokes about their weight or imply mean things.
I used to be obese as a child and people commented on it regularly, men women children young old, everyones thinks its their problem too when youre fat. And they arent nice about it, make no mistake

Hammer89

Stonedpilot wrote: »

I mean I attended a talk recently and the guy doing it was so overweight he got tired standing up and walking around the lecture room!.

Was the talk called 'Conquering your inner idiot by learning about a subject before you spark a debate on it?'

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pilly

pumpkin4life wrote: »

I'll post this again (classic Irish begrudgery but what the hey) there.

If you want to lose weight (and I'm a former fatty who struggled with weight for most of my life and have been skinny/athletic for the past couple of years*, so I'm not some lad parroting other people "calories in calories out" and he is skinny fat himself; that kind of benny) this is what you do.

1: Cut carbs. Diet: Cheese, Meat, Fish, Green Veg, Nuts. Normal, healthy nutritionally dense food. Forget counting calories. That uses up willpower and you're more likely to fail. It also ignores why some people are skinny and can eat pizzas all the time, and the same kind of person is on scooter time. Without boring you lads, it comes down to hormones; insulin and leptin in partuicular.

2: Lift weights.

3: Profit.

Interestingly enough, I've gotten more snappy and passive aggressive comments as an athletic pumpkin (from people who knew me as a fatty) than when I was a fat pumpkin. Funny how they're fat bastards themselves lol.

*skin in the game.

How do you mean profit?

afatbollix

Most of the time its because we eat too much and don't exercise enough.

Also, Feck off and mind your own business. Are you going to start a no smoking thread too?

pumpkin4life

I'll post this again (classic Irish begrudgery but what the hey) there.

If you want to lose weight (and I'm a former fatty who struggled with weight for most of my life and have been skinny/athletic for the past couple of years*, so I'm not some lad parroting other people "calories in calories out" and he is skinny fat himself; that kind of benny) this is what you do.

1: Cut carbs. Diet: Cheese, Meat, Fish, Green Veg, Nuts. Normal, healthy nutritionally dense food. Forget counting calories. That uses up willpower and you're more likely to fail. It also ignores why some people are skinny and can eat pizzas all the time, and the same kind of person is on scooter time. Without boring you lads, it comes down to hormones; insulin and leptin in partuicular.

2: Lift weights.

3: Profit.

Interestingly enough, I've gotten more snappy and passive aggressive comments as an athletic pumpkin (from people who knew me as a fatty) than when I was a fat pumpkin. Funny how they're fat bastards themselves lol.

*skin in the game.

munster87

pilly wrote: »

If you don't have a clue you can't go around making sh1t up "pal".

If I randomly picked 100 people from the USA, 57 of them would be women

RobertKK

Some people choose to put themselves at higher risk for diseases like cancer, diabetes and heart disease by not controlling their weight which they could do if they applied themselves to do it.
Sugar is the bad thing, it is not fat and the less sugar one intakes the better it is for them.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/large-study-suggests-carbs-not-fats-bad-for-you/

pilly

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Statistical is how it's spelt.

Maybe I don't have a clue, so what?. Not offering medical advice or anything pal.

Cue some long winded snide holier than thou response.

If you don't have a clue you can't go around making sh1t up "pal".