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Why is it normal/OK to be obese in Ireland?.

Stonedpilot

A genuine question.

The amount of people that are gargantuan on this Island is so high I'm surprised the island doesn't sink. It's seen as like a disease by many. I remember living in a houseshare with Eastern European girls and they often commented at how absurdly fat they thought Irish women are.

It's bizarre to me that in other countries it's seen as a problem and thus people try and sort it but here the people whom are tremendously overweight are seen to have an ailment,disease, are poor unfortunates etc like its the same as leukemia or something.

I remember Katie Hopkins was on the Late Late Show making the point you can't be happy and fat (I don't know I don't care frankly) but they cut to a obese lady in the audience who had only just opened her mouth and the audience were in rapturous applause. No matter what she said they would have clapped.
Katie asked the question 'Why are you clapping?. Are you clapping because she is overweight is that it?.'

That kinda sums up the attitude here. Being fat, unhealthy and obese is something to be proud of and God forbid anyone point out it's lunacy to be the size of a manatee.
Strange. Now I will say I have all the respect in the World for people who do something about it work out, eat healthy, get involved in classes, long walks etc. Fair play to them and well done. But then there are other folk whom see it as a God given right to be obese and to be angry with everyone, and to take up a seat and a half everytime they sit on a plane,bus or train squishing whomever is unfortunately beside them.
Had a few incidents recently where I seen very overweight people be angry with total strangers.

I mean I attended a talk recently and the guy doing it was so overweight he got tired standing up and walking around the lecture room!.

As far as I'm aware no country is as tolerant to obesity as Ireland, no way does France,Italy,Spain etc see it as the norm here.

Odd.

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seamus

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Yep, we are far worse, in terms of median average head of population.

Like random 100 people in America and 100 Irish picked at random Irish will be far fatter.

"If I just throw random statisticish mathematical words in here, they mightn't realise that I haven't a fncking clue what I'm talking about."

Stonedpilot

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I think a better question is "Why are people obsessed with other people's appearance?"

Then start you own thread on this my friend!.

A Little Pony

seamus wrote: »

Stonedpilot wrote: »

There has been several examples on Irish TV and press where (usually women) in fairness are expressing how proud they are to be overweight. Like the Late Late Show example I gave.

You didn't give an example of someone being proud they're fat. You gave an example of someone disagreeing with Katie Hopkins.

There's a difference between being "proud" of being fat and not being ashamed of it.

Are you saying that fat people should be ashamed? Should they hide themselves away lest you have to look upon their grim visage when you're outside?

Irish TV and press basically do nothing except discuss obesity epidemics and fitness. At least one night every week there's a show of some description related to getting fit or eating properly.

You're right in one aspect though - there's no insistence in Irish media that all women should be stick thin bottle blondes with big tits and that all men should be square-jawed, chiseled-chest hulks, the way there is in other countries.

Which is how it should be. Being obese is for the 99% something that can be corrected. But bodies at the correct weight still come in all shapes and sizes. Projecting a single ideal body shape for either gender is psychologically damaging because 95% of people will never be physically capable of achieving that body shape.

Is there an obesity issue in Ireland? Abso-****ing-lutely.

Is it because the media says being fat is cool? Abso-****ing-lutely not.

Difference between having fat on you and being like that woman on the late late show who was huge. She was 18 stone at 45 years of age, absolute recipe for a heart attack/stroke/cardiac arrest. Why the thick audience on the late late show was clapping is beyond me.

She needs to stop eating crap and drop the weight or she will die soon enough.

Stonedpilot

sibergoth wrote: »

have you been to America ?

Yep, we are far worse, in terms of median average head of population.

Like random 100 people in America and 100 Irish picked at random Irish will be far fatter.

Boom_Bap

frozenfrozen wrote: »

obesity isn't a wacky haircut

You're pretty much answering my question with your smart reply.

Nobody knows what any body is going through to lead to their appearance which society is hung up about commenting or reacting to.

A Little Pony

Because sugar is crammed into literally everything nowadays and the humans are lazy and don't go through the hassle of picking alternatives, less activity and so on. Why do you think so many people get put on depressive medication these days, people eating utter ****e which has no nutritional benefit to them. Real food is a medicine.

seamus

Stonedpilot wrote: »

There has been several examples on Irish TV and press where (usually women) in fairness are expressing how proud they are to be overweight. Like the Late Late Show example I gave.

You didn't give an example of someone being proud they're fat. You gave an example of someone disagreeing with Katie Hopkins.

There's a difference between being "proud" of being fat and not being ashamed of it.

Are you saying that fat people should be ashamed? Should they hide themselves away lest you have to look upon their grim visage when you're outside?

Irish TV and press basically do nothing except discuss obesity epidemics and fitness. At least one night every week there's a show of some description related to getting fit or eating properly.

You're right in one aspect though - there's no insistence in Irish media that all women should be stick thin bottle blondes with big tits and that all men should be square-jawed, chiseled-chest hulks, the way there is in other countries.

Which is how it should be. Being obese is for the 99% something that can be corrected. But bodies at the correct weight still come in all shapes and sizes. Projecting a single ideal body shape for either gender is psychologically damaging because 95% of people will never be physically capable of achieving that body shape.

Is there an obesity issue in Ireland? Abso-****ing-lutely.

Is it because the media says being fat is cool? Abso-****ing-lutely not.

LirW

I said the same thing to my man when I moved here, that it really stands out that there are plenty of obese people around, especially young women and it's sad really.
The awareness regarding healthy food and cooking seems to be quite bad here. Knowledge about cooking isn't passed on to kids like other European countries do that, I had long talks about that with my man's family because it fascinated me.

What's not entirely Irish is the taboo to point out a person is overweight. You simply don't say to a person that they're obese and it can have bad consequences. While it's okay to bash people for being skinny (especially when their body is their main capital, models for example) you can't point obesity out.
I remember watching Project Runway where I think 2 seasons ago a morbidly obese woman won. A lot because of the fact that she designed for plus-size and sent a statement. It was impossible reasoning with her because everything that was said she took as an offence because "I know I'm fat and I was bullied for it my entire life" and this is simply wrong. When you're a cnut it has nothing to do with your weight.

I do see though a lot of action that's being taken against obesity. Especially in disadvantaged schools food is a BIG topic. My son attended one and there are a few campaigns for healthy eating also involving the parents. They are encouraged to attend cooking classes to learn how to cook from scratch. Also in his new school food and sports is certainly a topic.

It's just the body positivity movement that makes it problematic. Yes we all come in different shapes and sizes. Some people struggle with health problems so they don't really lose weight, we get this, that happens. But there is a certain point where weight isn't healthy anymore, that goes both ways. It's not healthy being so skinny you're not having your period anymore, but neither is being so heavy that you can't stand for 5 minutes nevermind walk. As someone who struggled with an eating disorder I don't get it how you can embrace this without reflecting that it can have permanent effects on your body.

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Let's see the Brits try starve us out now

frozenfrozen

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I think a better question is "Why are people obsessed with other people's appearance?"

obesity isn't a wacky haircut

elefant

Stonedpilot wrote: »

I remember Katie Hopkins was on the Late Late Show making the point you can't be happy and fat (I don't know I don't care frankly) but they cut to a obese lady in the audience who had only just opened her mouth and the audience were in rapturous applause. No matter what she said they would have clapped.
Katie asked the question 'Why are you clapping?. Are you clapping because she is overweight is that it?.'

Josef Mengele could have been in the audience and the audience would have applauded him for disagreeing with Katie Hopkins.

sibergoth

Stonedpilot wrote: »

As far as I'm aware no country is as tolerant to obesity as Ireland, no way does France,Italy,Spain etc see it as the norm here.

Odd.

have you been to America ?

Boom_Bap

I think a better question is "Why are people obsessed with other people's appearance?"

Stonedpilot

seamus wrote: »

You must be living in a parallel universe then.

Or maybe you're confusing "everyone doesn't point and laugh at fatties" as being indicative of admiration?

There has been several examples on Irish TV and press where (usually women) in fairness are expressing how proud they are to be overweight. Like the Late Late Show example I gave.

SEPT 23 1989

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Had a few incidents recently where I seen very overweight people be angry with total strangers.

probably hungry

Father Hernandez

seamus

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Being fat, unhealthy and obese is something to be proud of and God forbid anyone point out it's lunacy to be the size of a manatee

You must be living in a parallel universe then.

Or maybe you're confusing "everyone doesn't point and laugh at fatties" as being indicative of admiration?

Stonedpilot

etselbbuns wrote: »

It is the potato effect.

You mean the carbs?. Doens't every country have spuds too!.

etselbbuns

It is the potato effect.

Feckoffcup

Either you go to the gym or you're overweight. That's the way the majority of Irish women. It's rare to see someone who doesn't work out and have a flat tummy especially over 30.