marno21 wrote: » Very heavy traffic on the N20 this evening as the census data collection continues. Unfortunately it was northbound at the time so I couldn't partake. 3 sets of traffic counters between the M20 and Charleville, and one on the R515 outside Charleville.
Cork Truck Driver wrote: » I travelled from the Jack Lynch Tunnel earlier, up through Mayfield, down the North Ring Road heading for the Blarney exit,mother of god the traffic was a joke :mad: The Junction at Blackpool shopping centre is also a nightmare where traffic turns left to head for Farranree.
Reputable Rog wrote: » So on the day the M17/18 opens we can only look on in envy as we trundle along our 19th century cattle track. It struck me this morning that Cork, in particular the north and westsides of the City are falling further and further behind roads infrastructure wise.
AugustusMinimus wrote: » Over the last 15 years, Cork has been the black sheep in Ireland for infrastructural spending. All that we have got in the city was the flyovers on the SRR and maybe you can count the Ballincollig bypass. At the same time, Dublin has got an enormous radial arm motorway network, Port Tunnel and M50 upgrade. Limerick and Galway are now linked by motorway. Galway bypass is going ahead. Limerick got its tunnel. Limerick is also getting a northern feeder road. Waterford is the only city which compares to Cork, having only got a city bypass. No other schemes are planned for the city. Waterford was lucky to even get the M9. Cork needs untold amount of schemes. A full NRR being the most pressing. I don’t think the M20 can’t make sense without it.
Reputable Rog wrote: » I was actually thinking that this morning, it took me 25 minutes from Mallow to Blarney and then a further 35 to get down Sundays Well. The M20 is useless without the NRR, Blackpool will still be a problem though.
marno21 wrote: » N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange M20 North (or equivalent) M20 South (or equivalent) N22 Macroom-Ovens N22 Macroom-Ballyvourney N25 Carrigtwohill-Middleton N25 Middleton-Youghal M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy N40 North Ring West N40 North Ring East M71/N71 Cork-Inishannon N72 Mallow relief road N71 upgrade Inishannon-Rosscarbery R624 Cobh dual carriageway All have been planned or progressed and required.
Cork Truck Driver wrote: » Was it that lovely lady again :pac::pac::pac:
Middle Man wrote: » Reputable Rog wrote: » So on the day the M17/18 opens we can only look on in envy as we trundle along our 19th century cattle track. It struck me this morning that Cork, in particular the north and westsides of the City are falling further and further behind roads infrastructure wise. The M17/18 will add more political pressure to get the M20 done as people in the South revile the raw deal they're getting compared to most other regions including the West.
Water John wrote: » Ah stop, the Macroom bypass should have happened 20 years ago. The refusal to countenance a M from Cork to Limerick was a political decision.
Aontachtoir wrote: » I'm from Douglas in Cork, and I don't revile anything. We're coming out of a desperately bad recession when nearly nothing happened (but we still got the south link flyovers done). Important projects like the Dunkettle upgrade, M28, and Macroom bypass are working their way through the pipeline, and it looks increasingly likely that the M20 will get the go-ahead soon to start that same process. The M17 is an important part of the M20-18-17(-15) Atlantic Corridor that Cork will firmly anchor in future. Better infrastructure means more growth for everyone in Ireland. All of Ireland got a raw deal during the global recession, and we all suffered together. Now we're coming out together.
Aontachtoir wrote: » It should have, absolutely, along with a huge number of other roads that were cancelled because of a lack of cash. Same with the M20. How could that cancellation possibly be considered political? Which politician gains votes by cancelling important national infrastructure? Some guys on this forum are still spitting venom at Leo because he was transport minister at the time. It was political only in so far as the decision to cancel had to be taken by a politician. That politician had no real choice, because there was simply no cash.
Aontachtoir wrote: » Middle Man wrote: » Reputable Rog wrote: » So on the day the M17/18 opens we can only look on in envy as we trundle along our 19th century cattle track. It struck me this morning that Cork, in particular the north and westsides of the City are falling further and further behind roads infrastructure wise. The M17/18 will add more political pressure to get the M20 done as people in the South revile the raw deal they're getting compared to most other regions including the West. I'm from Douglas in Cork, and I don't revile anything. We're coming out of a desperately bad recession when nearly nothing happened (but we still got the south link flyovers done). Important projects like the Dunkettle upgrade, M28, and Macroom bypass are working their way through the pipeline, and it looks increasingly likely that the M20 will get the go-ahead soon to start that same process. The M17 is an important part of the M20-18-17(-15) Atlantic Corridor that Cork will firmly anchor in future. Better infrastructure means more growth for everyone in Ireland. All of Ireland got a raw deal during the global recession, and we all suffered together. Now we're coming out together.
marno21 wrote: » Aontachtoir wrote: » I'm from Douglas in Cork, and I don't revile anything. We're coming out of a desperately bad recession when nearly nothing happened (but we still got the south link flyovers done). Important projects like the Dunkettle upgrade, M28, and Macroom bypass are working their way through the pipeline, and it looks increasingly likely that the M20 will get the go-ahead soon to start that same process. The M17 is an important part of the M20-18-17(-15) Atlantic Corridor that Cork will firmly anchor in future. Better infrastructure means more growth for everyone in Ireland. All of Ireland got a raw deal during the global recession, and we all suffered together. Now we're coming out together. Cork's road infrastructure is now sorely lagging behind that of Galway and Limerick, and a good bit behind Waterford's Cork itself (no North Ring), Killeagh, Castlemartyr, Dunkettle, Inishannon, Brandon, Mallow, Buttevant, Macroom, Carrs Hill all chronic bottlenecks. This neglect goes back further than the recession. Since 2004/5, all we've got is the M8 and the SRR roundabouts which should have been grade separated from day one.. have a look at my list a bit further up.
Water John wrote: » No, I have no problem with Leo shouting halt when the country ran out of money. Its Enda Kenny and Michael Noonan suggesting we had audacity to look for it. This is long after Bohoola and Charlestown were bypassed to nowhere. I will say fair play if Leo puts the M20 back on the map.
Doltanian wrote: » What would people think of a solution like this to build a new Motorway which would include the Cork North Ring from the M8 around to the Ballincollig Bypass and a spur north of the Lee connecting over to Macroom, bypassing the north of the City, alleviating pressure from the South Ring and connecting Kerry to Cork and Dublin via the M8 by Motorway?
marno21 wrote: » Cork's road infrastructure is now sorely lagging behind that of Galway and Limerick, and a good bit behind Waterford's Cork itself (no North Ring), Killeagh, Castlemartyr, Dunkettle, Inishannon, Brandon, Mallow, Buttevant, Macroom, Carrs Hill all chronic bottlenecks. This neglect goes back further than the recession. Since 2004/5, all we've got is the M8 and the SRR roundabouts which should have been grade separated from day one.. have a look at my list a bit further up.
fonzy951 wrote: » All road building projects should be completely removed from politics and an independent FAIR body should be setup immediately
fonzy951 wrote: » The NRR (atleast eastern part) will have to be done in parallel with the M20, I can't understand why this has been omitted from planning. All road building projects should be completely removed from politics and an independent FAIR body should be setup immediately (TII are incompetent) which prioritize on criteria such as safety, traffic levels etc.. and not on where the minister comes from or they got their planning first nonsense. The M20 and NRR should have been built away ahead of some completed projects around the country and its a real scandal tbh.
