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NFL Disrespect.

Sam Quentin

Stupid innocent disrespectful 'young-people' immaturity of the highest order.. Disrespecting their Country and Elders, Disrespecting their President and making USA look weak, making them more vulnerable in these troubled times.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/other/donald-trumps-national-anthem-comments-spark-mass-of-protests-by-american-football-players-807195.html

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whisky_galore

ricero wrote: »

Spitting in the faces of the vetrans who stormed normandy beach to fight for their freedom and for the fallen soliders who protected people around the world.

Interesting that the 'good war' and the 'greatest generation' thing is always trotted out and not the wars and vets the US would rather forget about.

Arsemageddon

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Generation snowflake strikes again.

That doesn't even make sense.

Sonics2k

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Generation snowflake strikes again.

You're absolutely right BillyBob, look at all the snowflakes getting hysterically angry about someone kneeling during the anthem.

BBDBB

Any protest worth its salt needs to accomplish the following if it is to achieve a change in perception or ideally legislation

1) maximum publicity for its cause - which this is doing, NFL is becoming a global phenomenon and kneeling for the anthem or raising a fist when likely to be on camera after a big play certainly does that

2) a legitimate complaint in the eyes of the majority - which I think this does, the statistics demonstrate the imbalance in the way the USA polices its society between black and white.

3) popular support - which this isn't doing, its becoming too divisive. Also because of the likely inflamed reaction it is becoming the story. In the same way that a peaceful protest that then becomes a riot, its the riot that gets the headlines, not the original protest.

I don't disagree with their right to protest or their intention/motive
I don't think this is the best way to achieve their aims

GLaDOS

The guys getting outraged at this are usually the same guys screaming "free speech!" when people disagree with their opinions.

Sam Quentin

I think by the end of the day these wee skuts will learn manners and respect, I can see a huge turn and lots of fury towards this show of cowardly disrespect towards their Country.

gramar

Cassandra Itchy Earplug wrote: »

I assume you are being sarcastic. More power to them!

Black power mostly.

1hnr79jr65

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Wasting my time with you lot.. Go way and ponder in your wee heads and learn some respect before it's too late, am gonna search now online for a good American forum and air my view there, where I'll get the respect I truly deserve :-)

Respect is EARNED and all you have done is whine about others exercising their right to peaceful protest which those WW2 Vets faught for democracy to allow :rolleyes:

osarusan

I saw on facebook that Tomi Lahren was wearing a tshirt with the US flag and the words 'I don't kneel' on it.

I thought about making a comment offering my commiserations to her boyfriend but decided against it.

VinLieger

BBDBB wrote: »

Any protest worth its salt needs to accomplish the following if it is to achieve a change in perception or ideally legislation

1) maximum publicity for its cause - which this is doing, NFL is becoming a global phenomenon and kneeling for the anthem or raising a fist when likely to be on camera after a big play certainly does that

2) a legitimate complaint in the eyes of the majority - which I think this does, the statistics demonstrate the imbalance in the way the USA polices its society between black and white.

3) popular support - which this isn't doing, its becoming too divisive. Also because of the likely inflamed reaction it is becoming the story. In the same way that a peaceful protest that then becomes a riot, its the riot that gets the headlines, not the original protest.

I don't disagree with their right to protest or their intention/motive
I don't think this is the best way to achieve their aims

On point 3 up until last weekend there were a handful of player participating but Trumps tweets changed this to entire teams staying in the locker rooms, there hasnt been a chance for popular support to develop for this new dynamic

Guffy

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

Respect is EARNED and all you have done is whine about others exercising their right to peaceful protest which those WW2 Vets faught for democracy to allow :rolleyes:

Why do ye feed into an obvious troll?

bruschi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVR23nFkKz0

fans seem to have no issue booing through the anthem though.

Boom_Bap

Players on the pitch during the National Anthem was only introduced to NFL games in 2009 and normally accompanied by some sort of military showing.

It was done as a means to try get people to enroll into the military.

AryaStark

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Wasting my time with you lot.. Go way and ponder in your wee heads and learn some respect before it's too late, am gonna search now online for a good American forum and air my view there, where I'll get the respect I truly deserve :-)

Even though I know that you are a troll your posts piss me off. Demanding respect for your idiotic views is just ridiculous... you should move to America, you would be a better fit there.

BBDBB

VinLieger wrote: »

On point 3 up until last weekend there were a handful of player participating but Trumps tweets changed this to entire teams staying in the locker rooms, there hasnt been a chance for popular support to develop for this new dynamic

True, Trump saying nay, got a lot of peoples backs up and the reaction has escalated this week. However what reaction did that escalation get? The response to the kneeling seemed louder and more heated too.

This is why I think its a poor method of protesting, its becoming the big story. Not helped by Trumps intervention but then thats nothing new.

I think the interesting dynamic is in the response of the police and army vets who support the stewarding and safety of the NFL games.

Second thing to consider is that American football is played at Colleges, High Schools and Peewee football. Those youngsters see the top players take a knee during the anthem, and like we see kids over here do with the soccer players, they copy them. A divisive reaction to the perceived disrespect in a large stadium could be problematic due to crowd size. But what about those same reactions being voiced at kids football?

[Deleted User]

What is the background to the protests?

Sam Quentin

Because of this total disrespect being shown openly to the World through every media outlet, and seeing that the majority of good Americans are trying to stop it!? I think this leaves USA in a very vulnerable position and I would say security and defences are being beefed up as we speak... And all because of those immature disrespectful sporty kids!?

gramar

Deleted User wrote: »

What is the background to the protests?

Unjustified police shootings of blacks and D. Trump being a monumental buffoon.

The_Kew_Tour

Fair play to the Players. 100% behind them

theoneeyedman

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".

Seems apt given the attacks on Twatter from POTUS on this.

I echo the point made earlier re:militarization of sport, especially in the US and Britain. Constantly forging a link between the 'heros' on the field with the 'heros' fighting on foreign fields mostly, and dare anyone raise a voice against the trend or not stand when told or not wear the poppy for what whole month when ordered to...

Sport has enough politics in it of itself, without governments and military forces hijacking it for their own means. If you introduce politics and your mantra into the sporting sphere, don't be surprised if people who don't agree with you, or who have a grievance, turn these symbols on you as a means of protest.

BBDBB

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Because of this total disrespect being shown openly to the World through every media outlet, and seeing that the majority of good Americans are trying to stop it!? I think this leaves USA in a very vulnerable position and I would say security and defences are being beefed up as we speak... And all because of those immature disrespectful sporty kids!?

I suggest that any vulnerability felt by the USA is due to its imperialist foreign policy, historic use of its military to achieve global economic aims and for voting a loose cannon of a president into the most powerful position in the world not because of sporty kids, disrespectful or not. i.e. largely self inflicted and in its own paranoia

[Deleted User]

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Because of this total disrespect being shown openly to the World through every media outlet, and seeing that the majority of good Americans are trying to stop it!? I think this leaves USA in a very vulnerable position and I would say security and defences are being beefed up as we speak... And all because of those immature disrespectful sporty kids!?

It's a major security issue alright. Since the black people started expressing opinions, we can see what's happened in North Korea. Kim has his finger on the pulse of the angry in Compton.

PopePalpatine

ricero wrote: »

Spitting in the faces of the vetrans who stormed normandy beach to fight for their freedom and for the fallen soliders who protected people around the world.

Yeah, fuck these guys.

BBDBB

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a major security issue alright. Since the black people started expressing opinions, we can see what's happened in North Korea. Kim has his finger on the pulse of the angry in Compton.

I have a job lot of baseball caps with NKWA written on the front if you're interested??

rainbow kirby

I was at Ravens @ Jags at Wembley yesterday, I saw no disrespect during any anthems, merely people exercising their right to peaceful, respectful protest.

The_Kew_Tour

Any of you who have been to places like Cape Canaveral or any type of US National pride spots will know that the US look down the nose of every country that is any threat to them.

But everyone has to join in. I remember at Sea World back in 2006 few Military came out ( ya ****ing sea world) and everyone had get up and give them a clap. Me and my 2 friends did not and we got some right looks. I can totally understand where these Black people come from. Why would they stand with any President who wants to basically destroy another country or support a President who wants division amongst the good honest people.

Yes there higher crime rates among certain groups and I have no problem with that being called out once it's facts, but these Black People are paying their way and are contributing to their country.

wes

I do find it funny, that the people who love the Confederate flag (a flag used by honest to goodness traitors against the US), have the gall to lecture anyone else on patriotism.

super_furry

ricero wrote: »

Disgusting lack of respect from the majority of nfl owners and players.

Spitting in the faces of the vetrans who stormed normandy beach to fight for their freedom and for the fallen soliders who protected people around the world.

How do you feel about James McClean’s refusal to wear a poppy?

[Deleted User]

American Football is awful anyway, so who cares?

super_furry

Deleted User wrote: »

American Football is awful anyway, so who cares?

Good in highlights but you’d want to be doing something else at the same time if you’re going to sit through a game.