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STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

paddy147

The amount of threads getting posted each day about stoves is unreal and taking away from other plumbing issues.

Can I suggest to the members and also the mods a dedicated "sticky" thread about stoves and nothing else.

Thanks.:)

Hi Folks. This sticky has been suggested by a regular poster and contributed to quite well. It seems to have generated a lot of interest. While advertising is not permitted under forum charter a balanced view of multiple suppliers is allowed. The rule of thumb is if you are unsure just ask. But keeping it simple and discussing the techanical details of multiple suppliers will be safe. Keep pricing out of the thread and only reply if requested to by PM -Personal message. An instant permant ban will result for breach of charter on advertising.

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bungaro79

Devrobia wrote: »

Are you sure it's a Stanley fionn? Can you post a photo of the full stove. It looks like a wood burner with a solid fuel basket. Wood burns on a flat surface so you would take out the basket and place the wood on the base. You might need to place a protective base on the bottom. The handiest thing to use is scamol board, you can buy it as a sheet and cut it down with a hand saw.

Thanks is devrobia. I've attached pics of the stove so you can see if it's a fionn. When you say its a wood burner, I didn't realise that stoves are classes as specific fuel burning models?? But you're saying that I can burn coal if I use the grate?? Which would be considered the best fuel to use in the stove??
Thanks

Shefwedfan

Just wondering, how much would it cost to install a standalone wood pellet stove? I want to replace a solid fuel stove which sits in fireplace. Looking at 8kw stove but would prefer the wood pellet as it is cleaner and easier.

Thanks

Forge83

tayto lover wrote: »

Is there such a thing as a pellet burning stove that can be taken from room to room as required i.e. not attached to chimney or wall and if so are they expensive to buy and to use?
Thanks lads.

Forge83

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just wondering, how much would it cost to install a standalone wood pellet stove? I want to replace a solid fuel stove which sits in fireplace. Looking at 8kw stove but would prefer the wood pellet as it is cleaner and easier.

Thanks

Wood pellet stoves start around €1450.
If connecting to existing chimney, pipes Approx €100-€150.
Installation and commissioning by a professional €750-€1000.

Forge83

bungaro79 wrote: »

Total stove newbie here. A few weeks into a new house and there's a Stanley Fionn stove in it. We got it cleaned during the week and are looking forward to using it. I had to replace the Firestones in it today and I was asking the lady in the shop what to burn? She said wood was the best thing for these type of stoves?? But she also said I'd need to have some sort of base on it and I'm not sure if this is what the grate is resting on in the pics?? I know I can burn coal too but I'd love to hear what people would recommend??
Thanks

It is a stanley Fionn but missing its interior parts. That's an open fire basket put in temporarily I'd imagine.
Go to your local stockist and order all interior parts- Grate,Baffle,bricks,fuel retainer etc

Forge83

sarahn11 wrote: »

Hope you can see what i mean by the pictures but there is nothing connected to the end of that pipe and above the pipe is just the open chimney.

Whoever installed that should get jail.
Name and shame if it's a tradesman.
At minimum it needs to be connected to the 8" clay pot with an 8 to 5" reducer.
At best a Full Flexi Reline of your chimney.

Shefwedfan

Forge83 wrote: »

Wood pellet stoves start around €1450.
If connecting to existing chimney, pipes Approx €100-€150.
Installation and commissioning by a professional €750-€1000.

Feck that is expensive. Not the stove cost.

I already have a 8Kw Green stove installed. It has cast iron flue which is then connected to flexi flue. I would have thought I could just connect the pellet stove to the existing flue?

Forge83

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Feck that is expensive. Not the stove cost.

I already have a 8Kw Green stove installed. It has cast iron flue which is then connected to flexi flue. I would have thought I could just connect the pellet stove to the existing flue?

Pellet stove Flue is 100mm so a different size. You would need some straights and bends plus an adapter.
Might be a bigger initial investment but will easily pay for itself over a few years.

bungaro79

Forge83 wrote: »

It is a stanley Fionn but missing its interior parts. That's an open fire basket put in temporarily I'd imagine.
Go to your local stockist and order all interior parts- Grate,Baffle,bricks,fuel retainer etc

thanks forge. after the stove cleaner came he recommending getting bricks which i've since installed. he didn't mention we'd need anything else but you would recommend getting the other things you mentioned?? that grate that is in it, you don't think its the right one for the stove?? thanks for the info as you really seem to know your stuff!

screamer

Can anyone help me as I've had so many different opinions..... Do I need to put in a flexible flue for a 5kw inset stove that sits flush into the fireplace? Some say yes the heat is too much for clay liners others say it'll be fine. Was thinking of getting a 5kw stove like this. And would it be warm enough? Again I've heard people say the heat goes up the chimney rather than radiated to the room

Shefwedfan

screamer wrote: »

Can anyone help me as I've had so many different opinions..... Do I need to put in a flexible flue for a 5kw inset stove that sits flush into the fireplace? Some say yes the heat is too much for clay liners others say it'll be fine. Was thinking of getting a 5kw stove like this. And would it be warm enough? Again I've heard people say the heat goes up the chimney rather than radiated to the room

How big is room? plenty on online tools to size

Don't mind people saying it will go up the chimney, they dont know what they are talking about. With a standard fire that is the issue

On the flue liner it depends. On my old house the flue was in since 70's but the fireplace was never really used and when I bought house it had an electric fire in it. As the flue was in great condition I did not need to replace.

It all depends on the flue condition

screamer

I've used the calculators there, and it says needs less than 4KW, but I don't know if these inset (flush) stoves give out the full 4KW.....
As for the flue, we had it completely replaced with clay liner less than 10 years ago, it has vermiculite between it and the chimney walls, and has only had a handful of fires lit in it. I guess I'll have to get it inspected, but with all that, is it just better to get a flexi flue?

Skippy along

Finally got my Henley arklow 7kw fitted delighted with it, here's the before and after pics Tidy job ... Fitter arrived at 9 gone at 1

Skippy along

Skippy along wrote: »

Finally got my Henley arklow 7kw fitted delighted with it, here's the before and after pics Tidy job ... Fitter arrived at 9 gone at 1

Pics

Skippy along

Here they are!!!! bloody phone

Shefwedfan

Skippy along wrote: »

Here they are!!!! bloody phone

I hope you kept the old fireplace, some people would pay big bucks for it.

Lovely job

Tombo2001

Hi folks, we have a 1970s fairly unattractive fireplace at present. We have to replace it - the hearth was massive and covered a lot of the floor, so we lifted it.

So we have a fireplace with no hearth.

Trying to decide if we should get a new stove or second hand fireplace.

A new stove from what I can see will cost between 2-3k all in. We have to get rid of the fireplace thats there and replace it with something - so between labour, the stove, the fireplace its ....

Whereas I think a second hand fireplace plus labour would be less than half the price.

Its not a cold house - we have good windows; good wall insulation. We'd fill the oil tank once over winter.

Is it worth spending the extra for the stove?

BarneyMc

I'm in a new house and looking for a nice slick looking wood burnining stove. I've nailed it down to either this Heta or this Spartherm. From what I've learned both makes are top notch - is this true?

Both are expensive so I might settle for this modestly priced Heta.

All opinions welcome!

jaffa20

I read that you are not supposed to burn wood and coal together. Is this true?When i use either smokeless ovoid coal or wood, it takes a lot longer for the stove to heat up but when i have a base of ovoid coal burning fairly ok and put wood on top, i get heat much quicker. Is this safe enough in a multi fuel stove?

Shefwedfan

jaffa20 wrote: »

I read that you are not supposed to burn wood and coal together. Is this true?When i use either smokeless ovoid coal or wood, it takes a lot longer for the stove to heat up but when i have a base of ovoid coal burning fairly ok and put wood on top, i get heat much quicker. Is this safe enough in a multi fuel stove?

Never heard that before, I load up big betsy with 2 large logs on either side, then start fire in middle which I fill up with coal....the large logs will burn away all day with the coal....dont see any issue with that

jaffa20

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Never heard that before, I load up big betsy with 2 large logs on either side, then start fire in middle which I fill up with coal....the large logs will burn away all day with the coal....dont see any issue with that

It's something to do with Sulphuric acid.

https://www.traffordfireplaces.co.uk/can-i-burn-wood-and-coal-together/

But i am still burning them together. I just keep both vents slightly open when the fire is really going. I feel i get the best heat burning them together.

Mickeroo

jaffa20 wrote: »

It's something to do with Sulphuric acid.

https://www.traffordfireplaces.co.uk/can-i-burn-wood-and-coal-together/

But i am still burning them together. I just keep both vents slightly open when the fire is really going. I feel i get the best heat burning them together.

Yikes, was not aware of that at all.

B-D-P--

With a new build, What stage should I consider putting my stove in?

Also, how big of pipe does external air feed need to be?

Harry Palmr

I'm looking at installing a solid fuel burner in the front room where a gas boiler/fire currently sits - that boiler is now defunct. The small three bed bungalow has electric water heating so I'm after a standalone stove of 5 or 6 KW.

There are two options for the pipework - go out the back into the space where the gas boiler now sits or out the top and through the chimney breast at two meters*. I have no idea about the condition of the chimney lining. The existing stone hearth on which the stove would sit is 38 cm deep, so may need extending.

*I presume keeping the pipework in the room adds more heat to the room but would it add more cost?

So the minimum work would appear to be remove boiler/fire, clean chimney, install stove with some pipework, test/commission.

A rough guide to the cost (ex stove) would be appreciated.

kam3qnwvebf4jh

Hi,
I am considering purchasing a Heat Design Vitae 6kw, and was just looking to see if anyone here had purchased one and how they got on with it. I am intent on getting an inset and like the look of this one. Any other opinions on a stylish insert appreciated.
Thanks

Wheety

Anders Obnoxious Self-portrait wrote: »

Hi,
I am considering purchasing a Heat Design Vitae 6kw, and was just looking to see if anyone here had purchased one and how they got on with it. I am intent on getting an inset and like the look of this one. Any other opinions on a stylish insert appreciated.
Thanks

This is the one I have installed

I think it's great. Takes a while to get up to temperature but then it gets very toasty in the room. Our heating is off at the moment, so when it gets too hot we just open the door and let the heat go out into the rest of the house.

Easy to light and control too. We've only burnt wood so far but did buy the multi-fuel grate too as an option.

Keep the glass clean. Looks great when you get a big fire going.

bullpost

Anders Obnoxious Self-portrait wrote: »

Hi,
I am considering purchasing a Heat Design Vitae 6kw, and was just looking to see if anyone here had purchased one and how they got on with it. I am intent on getting an inset and like the look of this one. Any other opinions on a stylish insert appreciated.
Thanks

I got the 9K version. Happy with it, only issue is we didnt go for a surround, and now plaster is cracking from the heat. Not a big deal, we'll just need to patch it every so often.

Turner

Could anybody point me in the direction of an installation guide for connecting a wood stove >> vitreous enamel pipe >> clay flue adaptor>>clay flue.

I need to know about sealing the clay flue adapter to the clay flue. Its an insert adapter, one you push into the clay flue.

And once everything is sealed there is no need for a registration plate?

What I was going to do was apply fire cement (1200 degrees) to the outside of the clay adapter, push adapter into clay flue. Sealing again with fire cement from the outside.

Reaching through clay adapter and applying fire cement to to any lip or gap between clay adapter clay flue.

Connecting vitreous enamel pipe to clay adapter sealing with fire cement inside and outside. Connecting other end of enamel pipe to the back of stove, enamel pipe has graduated 90 degree elbow. Horizontal pipe into back of stove no more than 6 inches.

Sealing enamel pipe into rear of stove with fire cement at the join?

Anybody advise me on this install..

jaffa20

Wheety wrote: »

I think it's great. Takes a while to get up to temperature but then it gets very toasty in the room. Our heating is off at the moment, so when it gets too hot we just open the door and let the heat go out into the rest of the house.

I have the same stove,i noticed the same. For the first hour or 2 i am waiting. There is small heat but then bang, it hits me and i need to open the door. Wonder if there's a quicker way to get heat up. Perhaps it's because it's inset/cassette that it takes a bit longer to heat up.

BarneyMc

B-D-P-- wrote: »

With a new build, What stage should I consider putting my stove in?

Also, how big of pipe does external air feed need to be?

I moved in last Christmas and only getting a stove fitted tomorrow so there's no rush on it.

Most stoves take a 4 inch diameter external air feed in my findings. Adaptors can be used anyway. My pipe comes up through the floor but if doing again I'd go through the wall. Best ring around a few stove stores though as I'm no expert on all of this!!