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Greenways [greenway map of Ireland in post 1]

dowlingm

So there's been quite a bit of discussion of greenways on threads like Western Rail Corridor (Train & Rail Systems) and I was thinking it might be useful to have a thread which pulls together both technical discussion (for example how greenways can co-exist with adjacent roadways or railways) and news (expansions of existing greenways / announcements of new ones)

According to the Connaught Tribune there are moves on getting on Galway-Clifden along the old rail line alignment. Is there anything else starting to reach firm proposals as opposed to discussion?

MOD EDIT: Fantastic Greenway map of Ireland by riddlinrussell here: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1HAHB3jpXV7qgrTHgopH4Zl7-ItDHGEPv&ll=53.4320326010536%2C-8.939188105408448&z=7

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whyulittle

An Bord Pleanála approves greenway bridge across River Shannon in Athlone.

http://www.dublincycling.ie/cycling/great-news-approval-given-cycle-pedestrian-bridge-over-shannon-athlone

Corca Baiscinn

riddlinrussell wrote: »

EDIT: I have taken it upon myself to start a new map of greenway progress in Ireland, currently very incomplete, any input is much appreciated, let me know if you want access to edit it yourself or want to send me GPX/KML files for adding to it.

Greenway Map of Ireland

Hi RR, you need to include the Shannon Blueways, (www.bluewaysireland.org) so called because along river/canal rather than rail but some sections completed and some planned. Michel Ring announced major funding a few months ago to extend the existing link to Carrick on Shannon. Also don't see Carlingford to Omeath there which I think is complete. (Great Eastern Greenway/Louth co co) Bit unsure re your distinction between potential and proposed as in Enniskillen to Athenry for example. Is it not the case that both of these routes are both potentilal and proposed not least by the WRC posters on this very forum? You have included the Cross-Border Derry to Inishowen Wee Greenway which is being funded but there is also a proposal for a Greenway on the old Letterkenny to Burtonport line.
I like your idea of showing the potentilal for a network including Northern Ireland. Because of the competition for scarce funding each local group is going to be fighting its own corner and interested in the potentilal for its own locality from the leisure/health/safety/tourism/jobs perspective but the real potential lies in a countrywide network.

riddlinrussell

Does anyone know if there is an up to date version of the map presented on irishgreenways.com? I would love to get hold of the data from it, plus any current updates, maybe include any routes which could potentially be greenways to get a linked up map of the true potential for Ireland, for example a major component not shown on that site is the Proposed network in the North. Anyone got something like that sitting around?

EDIT: I have taken it upon myself to start a new map of greenway progress in Ireland, currently very incomplete, any input is much appreciated, let me know if you want access to edit it yourself or want to send me GPX/KML files for adding to it.

Greenway Map of Ireland

Muckyboots

Del.Monte wrote: »

The last day of the line's official operation in July 1982 - exact date escapes me - saw two passenger trains operate! Not bad for a line that lost its passenger service in 1967. One was an IRRS special and the other was an outing for the Quigley Magnesite factory workers and their families from Ballinacourty to...? It was all so long ago and does it even matter any more.

Passenger trains that stopped at Tuam in the 70's & 80's carried;
1. Box Car Willie to famously play to a crowd of 50 people at Tuam Stadium
2. A bunch of pilgrims who travelled to Knock Shrine to see a Category 3 Relic.
3. An inspection car, that made it just in time to create some grainy Youtube porn for trainspotters.
4. The real Santa Claus.

Del.Monte

The last day of the line's official operation in July 1982 - exact date escapes me - saw two passenger trains operate! Not bad for a line that lost its passenger service in 1967. One was an IRRS special and the other was an outing for the Quigley Magnesite factory workers and their families from Ballinacourty to...? It was all so long ago and does it even matter any more.

loyatemu

Carawaystick wrote: »

I saw a passenger train on this line in the 80s
It held us up at the 2 level crossings

there was a freight service on part of it until the 80s, maybe some passenger specials ran too?

Carawaystick

marno21 wrote: »

Dungarvan-Kilmeaden closed 1967

I saw a passenger train on this line in the 80s
It held us up at the 2 level crossings

marno21

nuac wrote: »

Not all. E.G. Westport-Achill line closed c 1937.

First stage of Greenway opened 2010

Rathkeale-Abbeyfeale closed 1978
Athlone-Mullingar closed for passenger services 1987
Dungarvan-Kilmeaden closed 1967

I spot a trend here

Carawaystick

Subzero3 wrote: »

Is there any greenways planned for the limerick area? Would love to strap on one of those child trailers to the bike and get a good hours cycle (safely).

Can you cycle along any of the canals east of Limerick city?

nuac

Norrie Thomas wrote: »

The big problem in Ireland is that Greenways are being used as a cover to close down railways.

Not all. E.G. Westport-Achill line closed c 1937.

First stage of Greenway opened 2010

marno21

Signage up on the N21 now at the turn offs for Rathkeale and Newcastlewest highlighting the Greenway.

spacetweek

Can you let us know what it said?

trellheim

Does anyone know has Phase 3 of the Royal Canal Greenway between North Strand Road and the Phibsborough Road begun yet? It was expected to begin in September 2017 followed by Phase 2 Sheriff Street Upper and the North Strand Road in November 2017?

if you have a search for the fine gael newsletter for dublin central there was an update on this recently.

EndaHonesty

Subzero3 wrote: »

Is there any greenways planned for the limerick area? Would love to strap on one of those child trailers to the bike and get a good hours cycle (safely).

The first greenway is in Limerick.

The Great Southern Trail from Rathkeale to Abbeyfeale...

AsianDub

Does anyone know has Phase 3 of the Royal Canal Greenway between North Strand Road and the Phibsborough Road begun yet? It was expected to begin in September 2017 followed by Phase 2 Sheriff Street Upper and the North Strand Road in November 2017?

Carawaystick

marno21 wrote: »

There's talks of reactivating the Foynes line so that rules it out for now

Yeah, after the motorway is built, there'll be huge demand for the railway...:rolleyes:

marno21

Subzero3 wrote: »

There is a train line going from the city to foynes (unused). That would be ideal.

The current county greenway starts at where the old North Kerry line used to split from the Foynes line.

There's talks of reactivating the Foynes line so that rules it out for now

Subzero3

marno21 wrote: »

There already is one out in the county from Rathkeale to the Kerry border.

We may be seeing one from Limerick to Ballybrophy soon

There is a train line going from the city to foynes (unused). That would be ideal.

marno21

Subzero3 wrote: »

Is there any greenways planned for the limerick area? Would love to strap on one of those child trailers to the bike and get a good hours cycle (safely).

There already is one out in the county from Rathkeale to the Kerry border.

We may be seeing one from Limerick to Ballybrophy soon

Subzero3

Is there any greenways planned for the limerick area? Would love to strap on one of those child trailers to the bike and get a good hours cycle (safely).

marno21

Feasibility study tender gone out for Waterford-Rosslare greenway.

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/publicpurchase.asp?PID=118779

Zubeneschamali

Banjoxed wrote: »

it would have been grade separated. Now it won't and will have to play dodge the traffic. Clearly an inferior outcome.

For the buses and passengers, yes. Not for the Greenway users.

Banjoxed

Little Mc wrote: »

Is a busway a railway? Hint - it isn't.

it would have been grade separated. Now it won't and will have to play dodge the traffic. Clearly an inferior outcome.

Little Mc

Norrie Thomas wrote: »

I wish I shared your faith in the concept of a Greenway "saving" lines. They don't save them, unless you can come up with an example where a Greenway led to a running railway somewhere. It's an established fact that Sustrans in the U.K. fight any Greenway to Railway proposals tooth and nail. Sustrans and their supporters blocked the Belfast to Comber line from being reused as a Busway.

Is a busway a railway? Hint - it isn't.

[Deleted User]

Just want to add, Greenways, while being a great tourist amenity, the facilities themselves are hugely popular with locals.

I love cycling, I've driven up to Westport and cycled on the one up there. Fantastic local amenity!

I'm counting the days until there's one open in Galway

[Deleted User]

From another thread

Muckyboots wrote: »

http://fermanaghherald.com/2017/09/cycle-trail-link-fermanagh-galway/ "The ambitious new Greenway could join the fields of Athenry with the Lakelands of Fermanagh".... "and could link with the planned Ulster Canal Greenway, which will link Clones and Enniskillen".

Muckyboots

Local greenway advocate and Minister Ciaran Cannon are cycling from Enniskillen to Tuam today, parallel to the disused railway, to highlight the benefits a Greenway linking all the towns and villages would bring to the region.

MJohnston

Norrie Thomas wrote: »

I wish I shared your faith in the concept of a Greenway "saving" lines. They don't save them, unless you can come up with an example where a Greenway led to a running railway somewhere.

They almost definitely save the alignment of the lines. The problem with saying that "Greenways don't lead to running railways" is that generally the railway line became available because the service wasn't viable, and no Greenway is ever going to be able to solve that problem - I mean it's also pretty rare for former railways to be successfully resurrected.

Norrie Thomas

Muckyboots wrote: »

And we have a disused railway line with no realistic prospect of it reopening and a rotting railway infrastructure requiring crowd funding to keep the roofs on stations. Save the WRC- with a Greenway.

I wish I shared your faith in the concept of a Greenway "saving" lines. They don't save them, unless you can come up with an example where a Greenway led to a running railway somewhere. It's an established fact that Sustrans in the U.K. fight any Greenway to Railway proposals tooth and nail. Sustrans and their supporters blocked the Belfast to Comber line from being reused as a Busway.

Muckyboots

McAlban wrote: »

I don't know how many times I have to say it! I fully support Greenways, But we have un-finished existing Greenways fully supported by most locals, local councils, local business. We have Greenways with Planning and Zoning stuck in bureaucratic Hell, Greenways being blocked by Land Grabbing Farmers, Lack of Funding etc.

And we have a disused railway line with no realistic prospect of it reopening and a rotting railway infrastructure requiring crowd funding to keep the roofs on stations. Save the WRC- with a Greenway.