Sonny678 wrote: » Actually when you compare both teams the personel, theres not much of a difference 1 Paddy Cullen A terrific goalie . Along with Martin Furlong Billy Morgan and Charlie Nelligan best of his generation 2 Driscoll excellent old fashioned corner back 3 Sean Doherty a beast of a full back. Made Mick Lyons look like a choir boy. (For twenty years the best full back was nearly always in leinster. Eg Jack Quinn 66 -70 Meath, Paddy " Iron man from Rhodes" Offaly 70- 73, Sean Doherty Dublin and John O Kefffe kerry 1974-1982 and Mick Lyons 1983- 1991 Best full backs in Ireland between 1960- 1990.) 4 Tommy Drumm was a lovely wing back. Top class 5 Kevin Moran was a swashbuckling centre back..if he stayed in the GAA could have become the best centre back in Ireland 6 Brogan Snr Had great engine 7 Brian Mullins Simply put one of the greatest Dublin players ever. One of the greatest midfielders ever. 8 Tony Hanahoe. A brillant centre forward. In my view much superior to Kilkenny . Kilkenny is proper warrior but he does to much passing back and forth for my liking. He doesn't have the vision of a Giles Blaney or B McGuigan. Proper play making centre forwards. 9 I cannot believe no one has mentioned the blue panther. The Diarmaid Connolly of the 70s team. One of the most talented Dublin footballers ever. The brillant very skilful Anton O Tooled 10 Jimmy Keaveney is simply one of the greatst Dublin forwards ever. In my opinion the top 4 Dublin forwards are 1 Kevin Heffernan 2 Jimmy Keaveney 3 Bernard Brogan 4 Barney Rock Also that Dublin team defeated the greatest team ever twice. The 8 time All Ireland winning team kerry team. They also had a much tougher opposition in leinster then the current team. In the years of 74 76 77 they faced battles with a very good Meath team who at the time where in top 5 in the country. Meath and Kerry are the only teams to defeat that great Dublin in a national final at the time. Meath beat Dublin very comfortably in the 75 league final. Meath had players like Ken Rennicks ( the greatest Meath players never to win Sam) legendary Jack Quinn and Mattie Kerrigan and young Colm.O Rourke Joe Cassells Mick Lyons and Gerry McEntee. Meath could have beaten Dublin in 74 leinster final and should have beaten them in 76 final and how they didn't win in 77 when they dominated the second half and kicked the game away it is mystery. And remeber that was the year Dublin won the double and defeated Kerry and Armagh by big margins. After 77 that Meath team fell away. And Dublin had to face a brillant Offaly team. Offaly gave a good account in 78 final v Dublin. And should have won 79 only for Brian Mullins driving Dublin to victory. But in 1980 Offaly ended that Dublin team. And went onto to win 3 leinsters and 1 All Ireland So Dublin had to face tougher leinster opposition then the current team. Meath won national league title and went toe to toe with Dublin in 3 leinster finals. The current Meath team is a divsion 2 team and probaly Meath worst in 35 years. The last two times they have beaten by 10 and 16 points by the current team. The Meath team 70s only were beaten by a 1 point or 2. So Dublin 70s had to face a top 5 national league winning team and an All Ireland winning team in leinster. The current team have to face no national league winners no All Ireland winner no divsion 1 teams. . All Dublin havw to face currently is divsion 2 but mostly divsion 3 and 4 teams through our this decade. Simply the worst leinster championship in 130 years of gaelic football.
Sonny678 wrote: Can anyone name a team that won an All Ireland since 1940 that has not had no opposition in their province.
Stoner wrote: » Kerry in 2014. Great thread Sonny the forum needed it at the moment, some great reading in it from many sources.
naughtb4 wrote: » The fall off in a number of traditional counties such as Meath Cork Galway Kildare etc is probably worth a thread on its own! Less and less competition and importance o the provinces arguably since qualifiers were introduced
Sonny678 wrote: » And no mention of Meath 87 88. A team of O Malley OConnell Lyons Cassells Dowd McEntee Hayes O Rourke Stafford and Flynn. They don't rate. The best full back of the 80s Lyons, one of the best corner backs of the modern era O Malley,the best full forward line of the last thirty years O Rourke Stafford Flynn or the only modern player on the team of the Millennium the best number 7 ever Martin O Connell . A double winning team are not as good as the current Mayo team . And Meath 87 88 are not as good as the Cork team 89 90 that in 5 games between Meath v Cork , Meath were defeated 1 time out of 5 games ( 4 All Ireland finals and national league semi final between 87-90). Cork 89 90 a better team then a team they couldnt beat. That's a strange viewpoint indeed. Meath should have won no All Irelands they would been as good as Mayo. And Meath should have not won all their matchs with Cork but lost them all and then they would been a better team. And Armagh and Donegal did not win a double two in a row. In most discussions a two in a row team is better then 1 in a row team in senior, junior ,club, ladies football, whatever code of level, that would be the general rule.
Tommy Max wrote: » I was disappointed with them in the final. there was a lot of cynical play. especially the last few minutes to kill the game. to be fair if a Tyrone or Donegal for that matter did it there would be a big backlash from the pundits and media. the incident with the eye gouge was pretty nasty. it's very dangerous. need to stop this immediately in the game. I am sure the referee did his very best but there is still big issues with gas officials getting decisions wrong or not making the big calls. as it turned out he had a big say in where the cup went.
RoscommonTom wrote: » the Kerry four in a row is the best team of all time. Dublin gets millions of euros from the Gaa and gets to play all their games in crocker, imagine if Kerry or mayo had them sorts of advantages playing at home and loads of money, I think theyd be winning as much as the dubs
blanch152 wrote: » Except there wasn't an eye-gouge, and this is the wrong thread. Oh, and the cynical play started long before the last few minutes and the Dubs weren't the worst or the instigators.
Bonniedog wrote: » Imagine if a Dublin player had done what Keegan did? What's next, rocks, darts, ...?
Bonniedog wrote: » I assume you meant Kerry! So what advantages did Kerry have as compared to, oh, maybe a county with similar demographics and so on ...
Bonniedog wrote: » I don't think either should be punished in retrospect. However, what Keegan did breached a new low and surprised it has not been given more attention. At best he be given benefit of doubt that he did it off the cuff. Would not like to think that this is what some people consider as part of game plan.
Shurimgreat wrote: » Keegan's actions do appear off the cuff. Costello's appear to be part of an orchestrated Dublin game plan. I will let you decide which is more sinister and not in keeping with the spirt of the game. If Costello was ordered from the sideline to interfere with Clarkes tees and I suspect he was, its a disgusting tactic.
Tommy Max wrote: » Lads there is no point getting defensive about it. Right or wrong? A free was given to Kilkenny on stroke of half time after he ran into his own player and actually over carried. Mayo were on a break away but Dublin given free which Rock scored. Right or wrong? O' Gara slammed stuck Boyle in the face? The pictures are pretty conclusive of the intent. Clear red card offense. Right or wrong? Lee Keegan was dragged down for a penalty that cameras showed was well inside the square. We can go on and discuss the display of Dublin in the final 5 minutes where the forwards were told to maul the Mayo players and make no intention to play football. Costello came on and made no attempt to play. He was clearly told to go in and hold down the corner back who was cleaning up. Its slightly ironic that Costello's only contribution this year was to get onto the field and be sneaky and underhand. I do think Jim Gavin had his part in this too. Now I am not a Mayo man. I have played the game both at club and county level and felt Dublin for all the talk and hype of them being great looked totally desperate last Sunday and clearly abused the fact that a weak ref was in place. Seeing Brogan calling up Cluxton to kick a line ball near the end and Kilkenny holding onto Lee keegan for dear life on the ground and leaving the field happy to have taking the black card, told the story. You look at a bloke like Andy Moran for example. Double and triple marked and still showing brilliance. Playing the game hard but always fair. For me someone like that is far more deserving of an all Ireland medal than lads like Costello, O' Gara, Cooper, who just go out to be underhand. If that is success and sportsmanship doesn't matter anymore then it's a game I want nothing more to do with. Fair play and good sportsmanship is obviously not something this Dublin team and management believe in.
Bonniedog wrote: » So throwing a metal object at a freetaker is just a bit of crack then? Much of Dublin behaviour in last two minutes - actually Mayo Joe extended to 5 - was in reaction to what Keegan did,
