The Plight of the Rohingya

Dutch Gold Society wrote: »

I appreciate the Muslim world is not a homogeneous entity but major players like Saudi Arabia could do something. And for what it's worth the west is shamefully quiet on the persecution of Christians around the world.

Perfectly fair comment about the Irish left. They care a great deal about the Palestinians but perhaps not so much about persecuted groups.

I agree the military has over reacted but the situation may be a lot more complicated than that which meets the western eye.

With the exception of Qatar the gulf states have no time for human rights or other Muslims if they are not Arab. The treatment of Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Indians and Indonesians in the gulf by Arabs is absolutely shocking.

I don't claim to be an expert on Myanmar but their are no circumstances that can justify the military response.

A Little Pony

Arsemageddon wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

They don't want Muslims in the country, leave it up to them.

Ah yea, sure it's just a bit of ethnic cleansing.

A profound contribution from you as usual.

What ethnic cleansing? The leader denied such a thing was happening.

A Little Pony wrote: »

What ethnic cleansing? The leader denied such a thing was happening.

Ah right, so all those 400,000 Rohingya must just be popping over to Bangladesh for their holidays.

Dutch Gold Society wrote: »

1. Has the Muslim world been speaking out on this?

2. Will the Irish left rally to the cause of the Rohingya?

3. Is fair to say there are two sides to this, and that while persecution is not right, the Rohingya may not be without fault?

1. Depending on the sources, various muslim countries have taken in a few hundred thousand refugees, over the years. It's certainly not enough though.

2. Well the right will do **** all as usual, other than use ethnic cleansing to press their own islamphobic agendas.

3. What justifies 400,000 refugees in a few months? That there are active insurgents groups cannot be denied, but all I've seen reported was 12 border guards killed back in August (for the most recent outbreak of violence).

Dutch Gold Society

riffmongous wrote: »

1. Depending on the sources, various muslim countries have taken in a few hundred thousand refugees, over the years. It's certainly not enough though.

2. Well the right will do **** all as usual, other than use ethnic cleansing to press their own islamphobic agendas.

3. What justifies 400,000 refugees in a few months? That there are active insurgents groups cannot be denied, but all I've seen reported was 12 border guards killed back in August.

Sorry but the 'Islamophobia' term is nonsense and adds nothing. We never mention 'Christianphobia' when talking about the persecution of Christians within in the Muslim world. The left is very vocal about Palestine, which is fine, but I find it perplexing when they tend to be quite on other matters. Is one group more important than another?

I don't know what could justify 400K refugees, nothing probably. Personally though I will need to do more research on the situation in order to get better understanding.

A Little Pony

Arsemageddon wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

What ethnic cleansing? The leader denied such a thing was happening.

Ah right, so all those 400,000 Rohingya must just be popping over to Bangladesh for their holidays.

I am sure a reasonable explanation exists for this.

A Little Pony

Dutch Gold Society wrote: »

riffmongous wrote: »

1. Depending on the sources, various muslim countries have taken in a few hundred thousand refugees, over the years. It's certainly not enough though.

2. Well the right will do **** all as usual, other than use ethnic cleansing to press their own islamphobic agendas.

3. What justifies 400,000 refugees in a few months? That there are active insurgents groups cannot be denied, but all I've seen reported was 12 border guards killed back in August.

Sorry but the 'Islamophobia' term is nonsense and adds nothing. We never mention 'Christianphobia' when talking about the persecution of Christians within in the Muslim world. The left is very vocal about Palestine, which is fine, but I find it perplexing when they tend to be quite on other matters. Is one group more important than another?

I don't know what could justify 400K refugees, nothing probably. Personally though I will need to do more research on the situation in order to get better understanding.

A made up word to stop critical thinking on Islam.

A Little Pony wrote: »

I am sure a reasonable explanation exists for this.

Well, burning people out of their homes would seem reasonable to a rather right-wing Ulster unionist

A Little Pony wrote: »

A made up word to stop critical thinking on Islam.

You're seriously saying that it is not possible for people to be prejudiced towards Muslims? Such a ridiculous claim justifies the term.

Dutch Gold Society wrote: »

3. Is fair to say there are two sides to this, and that while persecution is not right, the Rohingya may not be without fault?

It's fair to say that you're a rereg.

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Ah yea, sure it's just a bit of ethnic cleansing.

A profound contribution from you as usual.

It's nuts how some people are ok with that.And others start up with "Well,what about the christians"

The number of times I've been told it's whatabouttery to mention christianity in relation to islam. The second some muslims are being cleansed suddenly it's all about christians being persecuted.

Irish Praetorian

riffmongous wrote: »

2. Well the right will do **** all as usual, other than use ethnic cleansing to press their own islamphobic agendas.

To be fair 'the right' hasn't especially been vocal about these acts because in general 'the right' has zoned out of international humanitarianism since the nonsense of the Iraq War and 'the left' has been more than happy to accommodate that.

So here we are about 15 years down the road, humanitarian crisis again, half a million displaced, the left will want to whine about it but do nothing more, the right wont whine so loudly so long as they don't have to take too many refugees. Lessons for everyone in that I think.

Back on topic. At this point all arms sales to Myanmar should be halted. They should also face sanctions.
It won't happen though.

I'm disappointed that a peace price winner is condoning ethnic cleansing. You expect better from people like that

Irish Praetorian

Grayson wrote: »

Back on topic. At this point all arms sales to Myanmar should be halted. They should also face sanctions.
It won't happen though.

Indeed a charming notion, only problem being it's major arms partners are China and Russia - best of luck selling them on the idea of a humanitarian arms embargo.

Dutch Gold Society wrote: »

Sorry but the 'Islamophobia' term is nonsense and adds nothing. We never mention 'Christianphobia' when talking about the persecution of Christians within in the Muslim world. The left is very vocal about Palestine, which is fine, but I find it perplexing when they tend to be quite on other matters. Is one group more important than another?

I don't know what could justify 400K refugees, nothing probably. Personally though I will need to do more research on the situation in order to get better understanding.

But there is clearly a religious element when it comes to commenting negatively on the victims here, what do you call it if not islamophobia? I don't think 'sectarian' cuts it. I would agree elements of the left are not vocal enough on other matters, but at the end of the day it's generally only left people actually interested or trying to help other groups, the likes of Amnesty and Human Rights Watch.

Fair enough, but the numbers are stark, 400,000 refugees in a few weeks and maybe up to 1 million since the 80s before this.

riffmongous wrote: »

But there is clearly a religious element when it comes to commenting negatively on the victims here, what do you call it if not islamophobia? I don't think 'sectarian' cuts it. I would agree elements of the left are not vocal enough on other matters, but at the end of the day it's generally only left people actually interested or trying to help other groups, the likes of Amnesty and Human Rights Watch.

Fair enough, but the numbers are stark, 400,000 refugees in a few weeks and maybe up to 1 million since the 80s before this.

Definitely religious and cultural elements. Sectarian is close to it. I'd say you can use islamophobia, especially considering some of the propaganda that is being used against them. It might not have started that way but they are definitely coopting some of the anti islamic ideas that are floating around in the west. However it's not just islamophobic.

It's been going on for hundreds of years and is closer to something like the pogroms against jews in tsarist russia.

The Highwayman

bnt wrote: »

MOD I've moved these posts from a zombie thread to a brand new spanking shiney new thread.

Old thread, but the problem is back in the news again, with Aung San Suu Kyi calling the reports of persecution fake news, essentially.

Ms Suu Kyi is quoted as saying: "We know very well, more than most, what it means to be deprived of human rights and democratic protection.

"So we make sure that all the people in our country are entitled to protection of their rights as well as, the right to, and not just political but social and humanitarian defence."

I've seen other unconfirmed reports that she's asked the US Ambassador to not use the word "Rohingya".

My view - and this may be controversial - is that there's little point in the Rohingya fighting the people of Myanmar who are, from top to bottom, opposed to their presence in the country. It doesn't matter whether the stories of Islamic insurgency are true, or arguing about the past causes if they are true: they have no future there, and should just return to Bangladesh.

I care as much about this Muslims as the rest of the Muslim world cares about the Christian women being raped and used as sex slaves by ISIS.

The Highwayman

Noveight wrote: »

Trump really had no idea of the ball he put rolling when he first mentioned "Fake News"

It wasn't him. Another uninformed commentator. Fake News came from the MSN.

The Highwayman wrote: »

I care as much about this Muslims as the rest of the Muslim world cares about the Christian women being raped and used as sex slaves by ISIS.

So you care quite a bit then?

The Highwayman wrote: »

I care as much about this Muslims as the rest of the Muslim world cares about the Christian women being raped and used as sex slaves by ISIS.

Why make it about religion? They are humans

The Highwayman

Arsemageddon wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

They don't want Muslims in the country, leave it up to them.

Ah yea, sure it's just a bit of ethnic cleansing.

A profound contribution from you as usual.

Violence is all they understand. They are just being treated as non Muslims are treated around the world by followers of the religion of peace.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

The Highwayman wrote: »

I care as much about this Muslims as the rest of the Muslim world cares about the Christian women being raped and used as sex slaves by ISIS.

This post seems to ignore the fact that the majority of ISIS victims are Muslims and the people fighting ISIS on the ground are Muslims.

I am sure you will enlighten all us fake news loving sheeple with further learned insights garnered from youtube videos and blogs written by loons.

I bet Damien Rice and Lisa Hannigan feel like right muppets now.
They wrote a very trendy, right on tribute to Aung San Suu Kyi a few years ago when Myanmar was the latest fashionable cause célèbre.
Oh yes, Pepperidge Farm rememembers...

Ulysses Gaze

Wonder how Bono will spin this.

Who'd have thought she'd turn out to be such a bitch?

The main thing though is to not be embarrassed about it and try hide away, instead call her out on it

Ulysses Gaze

riffmongous wrote: »

Who'd have thought she'd turn out to be such a bitch?

The main thing though is to not be embarrassed about it and try hide away, instead call her out on it

She is a Nationalist. Always was.

It's just certain celebrities and the media seemed to turn a blind eye to that and threw their support behind her as the lesser of evils in Burma.

You are right of course. She needs to be called out on it.

And stripped of any Peace prizes she has won.

Madagascan

Some Countries will stand up to the threat of Islamic violence and some won't.
Burma will .

Irish Praetorian

Madagascan wrote: »

Some Countries will stand up to the threat of Islamic violence and some won't.
Burma will .

I don't think anyone here can question my credentials about being serious when it comes to dealing with Islamic Fundamentalism - but I don't believe for an instant that it means we're in a no holds barred contest where the wholesale extermination of a people should be regarded as par for the course.

Madagascan wrote: »

Some Countries will stand up to the threat of Islamic violence and some won't.
Burma will .

Wow, this post takes hypocrisy to a whole new level.