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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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Welcome to the Mayo GAA discussion thread - Chapter 3, yer trotting them out quicker than a Mills & Boon Romance !.

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jr86

Tellyium wrote: »

It's not the age that's going to take management, this Mayo team have a LOT of football played. 4 finals in 6 years - with the other two years being exits after semi final replays? That's serious mileage and they've shown exceptional durability and character to keep coming back.

Everyone keeps saying that about "mileage" and so on every year since 2013. Yet this year some had their best ever season, none more so than their oldest player andy Moran.

ProudDUB

PARlance wrote: »

There's only one thing I would ask of the Dubs. Could you have a word with Jim and his merry men. Yet again I've heard the "we didn't perform in a final" line from them... not a whole pile bugs me, but that certainly does.

Kilkenny had 66 possessions against Tyrone. He had 8 against us. He wasn't allowed perform to the best of his ability. It's a small thing and there was plenty of mutual appreciation going around but I do think that line is a kick in the teeth.

I genuinely don't understand the upset over the phrase "under performed". We under performed in this years final, just as we did last years. Just as Kerry did in the 2015 AI final. Just as Mayo did in this years drawn quarter final against the Rossies and, the two Connaught semi final losses to Galway, two years in a row. It happens.

Whether the other team was just so good, they nullified all that makes you great, or you just came out flat and under motivated on the day, or the manager got all his match ups wrong, or complacency sets in... it's probably six of one and half a dozen of the other, depending on which side of the win/loss column you wind up on. Fact is, teams under perform for a variety of reasons. Dublin have under performed in the past and will under perform again in the future. As will Mayo. As will all other teams at some stage or other.

Getting upset over it, serves no purpose, especially if you are expecting the other crowds manager or players to start waxing lyrical about how great you are. That just ain't gonna happen. Not these days. Inter county managers are not going to hand their opponents the mental advantage of admitting they were shyte and the other crowd bate them out the gate, because they were a superior team. It is unrealistic to expect them to, when they are all so careful about what they say, especially as certain sections of the click bait media will blow things all out of proportion, the minute there is a hint of real openness and honesty.

jr86

joe35 wrote: »

You can't blame the ref. All managers talk about controlling what they do and that's all you can do. Definitely the most obvious thing the ref missed was the black card that AOS should of received just after half time. The ref was very poor,for both teams, but that's not the reason mayo lost. They had ample opportunities to win but made bad decisions all day

The five key first half misses for me - three of them complete gimmes

I think at 3+ clear at HT would have been enough

Tellyium

jr86 wrote: »

well besides federer so Muller who beat Nadal this year had his most successful season at 34, wawrinka won a major at 32, anderson just made his first final at 31, there's plenty more recent tennis examples and that's an individual sport.

I just don't get why there seems to be this general attitude that once you hit your 30s you're done. Cavanagh won tyrone an ulster last year, Donaghy had an outstanding year this year, remember tomas o'se bombing down the wing at 35 v dublin in 2013, Mickey lindon played an ulster final at 40! Ok these were great players but arguably much less to prove and far more reason to walk away earlier

It's not the age that's going to take management, this Mayo team have a LOT of football played. 4 finals in 6 years - with the other two years being exits after semi final replays? That's serious mileage and they've shown exceptional durability and character to keep coming back.

joe35

You can't blame the ref. All managers talk about controlling what they do and that's all you can do. Definitely the most obvious thing the ref missed was the black card that AOS should of received just after half time. The ref was very poor,for both teams, but that's not the reason mayo lost. They had ample opportunities to win but made bad decisions all day

jr86

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

In fairness you are talking about the greatest tennis player in history there. A bonafide tennis genius.

In rugby older lads can still play amongst the forwards to a high level well into their 30's. You don't see it so much in the backs though which is probably a closer comparison to GAA.

well besides federer so Muller who beat Nadal this year had his most successful season at 34, wawrinka won a major at 32, anderson just made his first final at 31, there's plenty more recent tennis examples and that's an individual sport.

I just don't get why there seems to be this general attitude that once you hit your 30s you're done. Cavanagh won tyrone an ulster last year, Donaghy had an outstanding year this year, remember tomas o'se bombing down the wing at 35 v dublin in 2013, Mickey lindon played an ulster final at 40! Ok these were great players but arguably much less to prove and far more reason to walk away earlier

km79

Donal55 wrote: »

I just fcuking love it. Mayo fans on here have no problem condoning Keegan throwing objects at players, but get their knickers in a twist when a Dublin player takes more than the prescribed steps.

Talk about balance.

It the exact equivalent of throwing the keepers tees away which I'm sure you have no problem with
Did what ye had to do to win which included a lot of gamesmanship !
Now go and enjoy it and stop annoying us

Coillte_Bhoy

Donal55 wrote: »

I just fcuking love it. Mayo fans on here have no problem condoning Keegan throwing objects at players, but get their knickers in a twist when a Dublin player takes more than the prescribed steps.

Talk about balance.

Who has condoned it?

Utopia Parkway

jr86 wrote: »

But sure most of them will still only be early 30s. Far from too old in this day and age. With s & c nowadays, players will go on far longer with better game management

I don't see who coming through now will usurp these even past their primes.

The top tennis player in the world is 36, Toulon won a European cup a few years back littered with 30 somethings. Paul O'Connell had arguably his best season at 37 years of age

In fairness you are talking about the greatest tennis player in history there. A bonafide tennis genius.

In rugby older lads can still play amongst the forwards to a high level well into their 30's. You don't see it so much in the backs though which is probably a closer comparison to GAA.

Donal55

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He went 20 yards with one bounce in between, Is Joe blind or what ?

I just fcuking love it. Mayo fans on here have no problem condoning Keegan throwing objects at players, but get their knickers in a twist when a Dublin player takes more than the prescribed steps.

Talk about balance.

[Deleted User]

Donal55 wrote: »

Smashing goal. Mayo would've been proud of it.

He went 20 yards with one bounce in between, Is Joe blind or what ?

Donal55

SomethingElse wrote: »

Seen this on youtube just now. The standard of refereeing in the game leaves a lot to be desired. McQuillan in particular is an example of an absolutely shocking referee who still gets chosen by the GAA to ref the important ones. With the amount of money that we fans spend following our counties it's simply not good enough that so many games can come down to the ref. The GAA need to step up to the plate.

Smashing goal. Mayo would've been proud of it.

SomethingElse

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

What age is Barrett? Thought he'd a good few years left

He was on the 2006 U-21 team with Higgins & Co

SomethingElse

Seen this on youtube just now. The standard of refereeing in the game leaves a lot to be desired. McQuillan in particular is an example of an absolutely shocking referee who still gets chosen by the GAA to ref the important ones. With the amount of money that we fans spend following our counties it's simply not good enough that so many games can come down to the ref. The GAA need to step up to the plate.

km79

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

What age is Barrett? Thought he'd a good few years left

No he is 29 or so I think

jr86

PARlance wrote: »

I don't know what constitutes "very similar" but the Mayo team in 2020 will almost certainly not include most of these starters from Sunday:
Clarke, Vaughan, Barrett, Higgins, Boyle, Seamie, Tom & Andy.
That's over half the team. If 2 of them were still playing Championship in 3 years I would be very surprised given their age.

But sure most of them will still only be early 30s. Far from too old in this day and age. With s & c nowadays, players will go on far longer with better game management

I don't see who coming through now will usurp these even past their primes.

The top tennis player in the world is 36, Toulon won a European cup a few years back littered with 30 somethings. Paul O'Connell had arguably his best season at 37 years of age

TCDStudent1

PARlance wrote: »

I don't know what constitutes "very similar" but the Mayo team in 2020 will almost certainly not include most of these starters from Sunday:
Clarke, Vaughan, Barrett, Higgins, Boyle, Seamie, Tom & Andy.
That's over half the team. If 2 of them were still playing Championship in 3 years I would be very surprised given their age.

What age is Barrett? Thought he'd a good few years left

PARlance

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Well, we'll see then with a bit of hindsight

I don't know what constitutes "very similar" but the Mayo team in 2020 will almost certainly not include most of these starters from Sunday:
Clarke, Vaughan, Barrett, Higgins, Boyle, Seamie, Tom & Andy.
That's over half the team. If 2 of them were still playing Championship in 3 years I would be very surprised given their age.

BonnieSituation

jr86 wrote: »

Let's be honest Loftus is far from a guaranteed future regular either.

There doesn't seem to be any potential greats coming through. It wouldn't amaze me if the 2020 championship team was very similar to Sunday

Well, we'll see then with a bit of hindsight

jr86

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Even Diarmuid been the best of the new lot hasn't had a good game since against Kildare in 2016.

Loftus looks the best hope, but he is only one where there needs to be several.

Coen looks out of his depth.

Let's be honest Loftus is far from a guaranteed future regular either.

There doesn't seem to be any potential greats coming through. It wouldn't amaze me if the 2020 championship team was very similar to Sunday

[Deleted User]

jr86 wrote: »

Not one player started the final off the minor team in 13 or last year's winning under 21 team

Ok diarmuid will surely go on to be a key player for years but besides that it's worrying. Loftus is certainly talented but so far Coen just looks a slight bit off cutting it at the top level. Will anyone else realistically make it anytime soon?

While we've a superb starting 15 any sort of an injury crisis and we'd be well and truly sucked into the pack really...

Even Diarmuid been the best of the new lot hasn't had a good game since against Kildare in 2016.

Loftus looks the best hope, but he is only one where there needs to be several.

Coen looks out of his depth.

I'm hoping there is a few hidden gems in the county or discarded players of the past who need a 2nd chance.

Would liked to have seen Varley get another trial this year or last(especially with our lack of quality forwards), playing well apparently for Vincents.
http://www.dublinlive.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/mayo-man-enda-varley-reflects-12147847

jr86

Not one player started the final off the minor team in 13 or last year's winning under 21 team

Ok diarmuid will surely go on to be a key player for years but besides that it's worrying. Loftus is certainly talented but so far Coen just looks a slight bit off cutting it at the top level. Will anyone else realistically make it anytime soon?

While we've a superb starting 15 any sort of an injury crisis and we'd be well and truly sucked into the pack really...

Nerdlingr

Deleted User wrote: »

Except when he passed straight to a Dublin player on the last Mayo attack of the game. Just like he did repeatedly in the Kerry game when he came on.

Was he the lad that took too much out of it and went into a crowd of dubs?? ha ha, was probably too caught up in the action to hear any names being mentioned i guess :P!! None of mayo subs did sh@g all in fairness. Boyle didnt seem too pleased coming off either, i just didnt understand him being subbed.

TCDStudent1

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Any reason for Mayo to keep on subbing Colm Boyle ?? Thought it was a very poor decision on Sunday. He was having a fine game and didnt seem to be tiring at all. Off on 55 mins, dont think i heard Coen's name mentioned in the 20 minutes after that.

According to second captains, he was exhausted and struggled to walk up steps after he came off

[Deleted User]

Nerdlingr wrote: »

dont think i heard Coen's name mentioned in the 20 minutes after that.

Except when he passed straight to a Dublin player on the last Mayo attack of the game. Just like he did repeatedly in the Kerry game when he came on.

Oldtree

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

He's a big solid athletic unit; from a distance you could mistake him for a Dublin squad player.:p

That's an understatement

He signed my boys jersey after a match earlier in the year. He's very well constructed!

Nerdlingr

Any reason for Mayo to keep on subbing Colm Boyle ?? Thought it was a very poor decision on Sunday. He was having a fine game and didnt seem to be tiring at all. Off on 55 mins, dont think i heard Coen's name mentioned in the 20 minutes after that.

Audioslaven

CatInABox wrote: »

Ah yeah, that'll be a bit of a kicker alright, I wouldn't like that either.

I was annoyed all year long when people said that Dublin hadn't been tested, when in fact they hadn't allowed themselves to be put in position that you could call "being tested". Same thing here, Dublin weren't allowed play, Keegan is a monster player.

This is so true. He is in my eyes one of the best players to ever wear the jersey, maybe even the best. People may not like him as he will do whatever is required but I just think that is absolutely brilliant.

Everyone raves about the big players but putting Keegan on them makes them look ordinary. That says everything about him!!!

blinding

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

2018 football final is pencilled in for first Sunday in September, Pope's visit or something preventing it from being in August.

Would he be any good to kick a few Points for Mayo ?

[Deleted User]

2018 football final is pencilled in for first Sunday in September, Pope's visit or something preventing it from being in August.