Incident on London Underground

xckjoo wrote: »

Sure you did. We're all probably too stupid to understand them anyway right?

And another leading question. I never suggested that anyone was stupid. You just have. That's the trend with your posts.

The difference is that you posted half-baked thoughts,

Which you asked for. I noted that people didn't want to write long detailed posts on the subject just to get shot down immediately, and you asked for suggestions.. which I provided. On the fly thoughts, rather than logical points based on the political/cultural landscape. Which I could do. But again, as I pointed out, you showed no indication that you were willing to enter into a discussion. Instead, you immediately shot them down as being unrealistic.

I snipped the rest of your post because you've just gone on an insulting rant. So, why bother dealing with your post when you're not providing anything of worth? Let's be clear here... I have asked you repeatedly for your own suggestions to solve the problems, and you have given nothing except criticisms... showing that you fit firmly into the group I originally described. The ones that shut down discussions about solutions. :rolleyes:

inforfun

Widdershins wrote: »

I just noticed this, hadn't heard anything about it. On the 14th of August. Was it another one?

https://www.joe.ie/news/one-dead-several-injured-car-drives-paris-restaurant-2-598232

June in Amsterdam.
Car stopped in a place cars arent allowed.
Gets fcpn from police but all of sudden takes off and crashes with high speed into 8 people. leaving 2 injured.
Driver leaves the scene but is soon stopped by the police who stopped him in the first place.

Now, this guy was released 4 days later and the statement was he had suffered a "hypo" as a diabetic and that is why all went tits up.

Yeah....
Several eye witnesses were sent away without having to give a statement and the ones that spoke out later thought it all looked very deliberate. Almost empty square with 1 group of people and that is where the car ended up crashing. How unlucky.

This happened in front of Central Station which has a minimum of 15 cctv camera which miraculously all were out of order/switched off/turned the other way that particular evening So there is no cctv footage of this event.

Normally what would happen in these kind of situations when the culprit is know and arrested, is that news reports will have his first name and the first letter of his last name.
It took 2 months and some leaking from the police to finally have that happen in this case too.
Khalid Karmaoui was the diabetic that evening.

xckjoo

Deleted User wrote: »

I gave you half-assed thoughts because I wanted to see how you would react. Like I said... posters don't want to spend an hour writing a thought out and detailed answer to the problem, only to have you dismiss everything as being unrealistic.

And honestly, why should we bother writing detailed answers when you continuously refuse to do the same? I asked you to post up your own solution to the issues... like for like. But nope.

Sure you did. We're all probably too stupid to understand them anyway right?

The difference is that you posted half-baked thoughts, I pointed out that they're half-baked and you got butt hurt about it and claim it's down to PC culture making us unable to see the truth. Now you're trying to muddy the water by saying "well you aren't posting a solution so why would I waste my time spelling things out for you". I know I don't have a solution so I don't post claiming to. But that doesn't stop me be able to see a major flaws in other proposals. I'm not a doctor, so if you had cancer I would have no clue how to go about treating it. But if you told me you were going to eat paint chips until it was cured, I'd be able to confidently say that it's not a solid plan.

xckjoo wrote: »

No I want you to be aware that your half-assed thoughts aren't solutions. But that's not going to happen since you're too invested in being right and have no interest in reality. The fact that you think you have solutions shows a mind boggling lack of awareness.

I gave you half-assed thoughts because I wanted to see how you would react. Like I said... posters don't want to spend an hour writing a thought out and detailed answer to the problem, only to have you dismiss everything as being unrealistic.

And honestly, why should we bother writing detailed answers when you continuously refuse to do the same? I asked you to post up your own solution to the issues... like for like. But nope.

xckjoo

Deleted User wrote: »

I dont think I'm reading between the lines. I responded to what you wrote. That you're against anything that erodes their rights.

Lol. I was going to reply to everything [had already written four quoted responses] but then I saw this. The only reason you asked for people to post suggestions to resolve the problem, was so that you could find flaws with it and shoot it down.

You don't want solutons.. you want justification for your own lack of solutions.. :rolleyes:

You proved my point all by yourself. Well done. Cased closed.
[No need to discuss this further since you're closed to anything that changes the status quo.]

No I want you to be aware that your half-assed thoughts aren't solutions. But that's not going to happen since you're too invested in being right and have no interest in reality. The fact that you think you have solutions shows a mind boggling lack of awareness.

Tom Mann Centuria

Widdershins wrote: »

I just noticed this, hadn't heard anything about it. On the 14th of August. Was it another one?

https://www.joe.ie/news/one-dead-several-injured-car-drives-paris-restaurant-2-598232

He'd tried to kill himself the previous week and they thought it was down to psychiatric issue rather than terrorism.

Widdershins

I just noticed this, hadn't heard anything about it. On the 14th of August. Was it another one?

https://www.joe.ie/news/one-dead-several-injured-car-drives-paris-restaurant-2-598232

xckjoo wrote: »

I really don't think that I did. Certainly didn't intend to. Maybe you're reading between lines that aren't there?

The problem is that these immigrants are people too and no matter how you feel about them, allowing their rights to be eroded is only opening the door for everyones rights to be eroded. If you're happy for that to happen, that's one thing. But we should all be extremely aware of what that might bring. It took a long time to get where we are and I personally don't want to throw that away because I'm afraid.

I dont think I'm reading between the lines. I responded to what you wrote. That you're against anything that erodes their rights.

his right here is my issue. People throw out stupid ideas and then claim it's the PC brigade gone mad when people point out that it's a stupid idea. It's as moany and self-serving as the SJWs with their safe spaces and made up pronouns.

There's no solution that anybody can even touch on that could be though of in 20 mins. You're vastly underestimating the scale of the issue. I'm not complaining about people criticising without providing a solution because there clearly isn't a simple solution. I'm complaining about people stating that just doing X,Y and Z would solve the issue when it wouldn't. And then acting all butt hurt when that's pointed out to them.

Lol. I was going to reply to everything [had already written four quoted responses] but then I saw this. The only reason you asked for people to post suggestions to resolve the problem, was so that you could find flaws with it and shoot it down.

You don't want solutons.. you want justification for your own lack of solutions.. :rolleyes:

You proved my point all by yourself. Well done.

Cased closed.
[No need to discuss this further since you're closed to anything that changes the status quo.]

xckjoo

Deleted User wrote: »

Hardly.. You've just pointed out that you're against any change that involves the reduction of rights for immigrants because it might later allow the reduction of rights for yourself.

How do you expect any solution to not involve the reduction of rights for immigrants/refugees?

I really don't think that I did. Certainly didn't intend to. Maybe you're reading between lines that aren't there?

Yup. I'm aware. It's remarked often enough in the news.

Okie dokie. I'll bite a little.

Personally, I think we should prevent any more from coming in and deal with those that are currently in Europe. Those that are not genuine asylum seekers (in real fear of their lives), should be expelled back to their countries unless they have passed the normal immigration requirements (work sponsors, levels of education, crinimal record checks etc). Those that have already passed citizenship processing should be given the opportunity to choose if they wish to stay or move on to a different continent.

All public displays of religion to be banned. (Islamic, Catholic, etc) All of them. The right to follow your religion in the home but nothing outside the home and place of worship. Religious laws like Sharia are banned, and only the common law of the land has any bearing. (No more than one wife)[No Sharia courts like the UK did] No Immigrants allowed to have more than two children until they're in Europe for twenty years without any family member performing any terrorist activity.. if they do, then the whole family is expelled. Make them directly responsible for each other.

Imprisonment is not the answer because it's just a drain on our resources. Expel them and let the find a place in S.America, Africa or Asia. Those that have the skills and educational levels to not be a drain on our resources, should be allowed to apply for citizenship... But true citizenship with an embracing of the host countrys culture, language, etc. Those that don't show a genuine effort to intergrate should be expelled after one year. Keep all other forms of immigration and Visa's to only those nationals from approved countries.

Anyone who commits a terrorist act (and survives) should be interrogated... and then shot.

I could go on... but there's little real point. I know what I described above will get shot down and would never be accepted.

Simple solution,... hmm... Oh.. sure.. convert all our requirements for oil to Gas/Alt Energy, Nuke all the M.East, , and repopulate the area in a few hundred years. The surviving terrorists cells would eventually be hunted down and destroyed.

There you go. Simple. :rolleyes:

Almost none of those solutions are implementable on any level and you aren't clear if you're talking about illegal immigrants, refugees or legal immigrants so that doesn't help. But here's some quick replies.

We can't stop people from coming in. Italy, Greece, Spain, etc have been trying forever and hasn't stopped them. They don't want to have to shoulder all the burden so we all take some. As I mentioned before, we'd have to leave the EU to gain the kind of say you want.
Regarding religion, for one thing you'll have your nan up in arms if you try to ban Catholic displays (old people vote so good luck getting a politician to look at pissing them off). You'll have everyone up in arms when Paddys Day is banned. In fact you'll have a whole load of people up in arms with that religion ban. Just because you aren't religious doesn't mean most people aren't. How do you stop people having kids? Or how do you punish people for giving birth when they aren't "registered" to without screwing up the childs life (and producing a troubled adult that burdens the state)? You can't ship illegal immigrants to whatever country you feel like. They won't take them. They already try to ship them to their home country but illegal immigrants throw away passports, etc. to hide nationality. Is there Sharia law in Ireland? I'm not aware of any. Are you suggesting something like the Dutch model of integration? Sounds okay but haven't looked into how it's panned out for them. No complaining when tax money is pigeon holed for this instead of (e.g.) roads though. We don't have enough natural resources to power the country nor the raw materials and heavy industry to produce gas risers, wind farms, hydroelectric plants, nuclear plants, etc. We could use less energy I suppose but that would mean people giving up cars, electricity, heating, etc.

Fact is, most of us have thought these things through, and have come to some rather nasty conclusions about what needs to change within Western society if we have any hope of defeating this threat. But we're generally not going to go into any real detail because the PC brigade are in power... and it's rather fashionable to stand on the top of a moral pesdestal and proclaim how enlightened they are. You'll see this soon enough when people start tearing apart what I suggested above.

Now.. how about you sit at home quietly for 20 minutes thinking on the subject and post your own opinions on how the problems should resolved..? After all, you're doing the very thing, you're complaining about others. You're criticising without providing any solutions.

This right here is my issue. People throw out stupid ideas and then claim it's the PC brigade gone mad when people point out that it's a stupid idea. It's as moany and self-serving as the SJWs with their safe spaces and made up pronouns.

There's no solution that anybody can even touch on that could be though of in 20 mins. You're vastly underestimating the scale of the issue. I'm not complaining about people criticising without providing a solution because there clearly isn't a simple solution. I'm complaining about people stating that just doing X,Y and Z would solve the issue when it wouldn't. And then acting all butt hurt when that's pointed out to them.

inforfun

Ah no worries.

The lefter than left Dutch MEP Judith Sargentini has got your back since she was appointed in a special committee to tackle deficiencies in the fight against terrorism. As a vice-president no less.

Unfortunately there is this 1 tweet from 2015 that keeps following her but since she is on the good side of the thought police, she gets away with it:

Tr: There is no proof whatsoever that there are IS fighters amongst the refugees on the boats to Europe. it is all hysteria.

That video was very interesting take on the problem at hand. Thanks Noel82

BillyBobBS

Billy86 wrote: »

There are multiple posters here who by their own standards would want to be reporting this as soon as they get the chance, though in the interests of public safety I might well do so. I assume those same posters will be doing so themselves?

Local garda station contact info, phone and email, can be found here - http://www.garda.ie/stations/default.aspx

"Hello officer this is Billy86 from Boards.ie, i'd like to repo....."

Gardai hangs up and continues to eat his ham sandwich.

Billy86 wrote: »

Might be worth chucking a quick email just to have it on record alright, but I'm not one of the people who was pushing the argument that knowing about threats like that and failing to report them should be a criminal offense, am I?

The hypocrisy if they don't is pretty blatant.

I'm pretty sure everyone else can see those posts for what they are. You're being deliberately obtuse to make a silly point.

Considering the slagging that goes on here on boards regarding Trump, the poster population of boards would be decimated if anyone was taking these posts seriously...

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Are you going to the station tomorrow yourself? Or will you just stand by and let poor Leo and Ibrahim take a bullet from the internet marksman with the basement come armory that he most definitely has to have?

Might be worth chucking a quick email just to have it on record alright, but I'm not one of the people who was pushing the argument that knowing about threats like that and failing to report them should be a criminal offense, am I?

The hypocrisy if they don't is pretty blatant.

Billy86 wrote: »

Well then according to some posters here you should be considered a criminal. Hopefully they get the chance to report those threats like they said anybody should.

Are you going to the station tomorrow yourself? Or will you just stand by and let poor Leo and Ibrahim take a bullet from the internet marksman with the basement come armory that he most definitely has to have?

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

On boards? Yeah.

Well then according to some posters here you should be considered a criminal. Hopefully they get the chance to report those threats like they said anybody should.

Billy86 wrote: »

I take it if you heard a Muslim lad talking about how Irish civilians and politicians should be shot you would laugh it off as a big nothing, right?

On boards? Yeah.

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

I take it you believe that guy is going to assassinate Halawa and Varadkar so?

I take it if you heard a Muslim lad talking about how Irish civilians and politicians should be shot you would laugh it off as a big nothing, right?

Billy86 wrote: »

I take it you're not concerned about terrorism, so?

I take it you believe that guy is going to assassinate Halawa and Varadkar so?

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Hello officer, I'd like to report a keyboard warrior.

I take it you're not concerned about terrorism, so?

Billy86 wrote: »

I assume every poster saying those with any awareness and/or suspicion of extremism should be punished for not reporting it to the police will be immediately in touch with their local authorities over this and this?

Hello officer, I'd like to report a keyboard warrior.

Ulysses Gaze

xckjoo wrote: »

Because we're part of the EU. We have to tow the line with other European counties. Part of the deal.

I don't have one. Don't pretend to have one. Don't pretend to even know how to start addressing it. But I can admit that.

Or we dould just do what the Poles and Hungarians have done and tell Merkel where to go. Pay the fines because that is all the EU will be able to do. Fine us

Or tell her - Sure, we'll take in Refugees. Yazidi Christians only.

After all, they are the most persecuted of all those affected in the Region.

Noel82 wrote: »

Check my post, I edited it to be clear. That part of what he said I don't sympathize with at all, or any extremism. I'm trying to talk about the human reaction of the so called PC Brigade, the media and spineless Politicians doing everything in their power to downplay a huge problem, certainly the biggest social problem I've seen in my lifetime. Even so I'll stand by what I said originally, this is all a secondary reaction to a problem that hasn't been dealt with by Governments or mainly the EU in this case, and has been allowed to fester for far too long. Perhaps too long for there ever to be a credible solution.

Funny that, I threw in my own edit before you replied to mine.

Added in to say - 'saying it should not be reported is like saying stumbling upon someone talking about bombing a London tube train on a forum with a high number of Muslims should not be reported because Muslims are unhappy with what has gone on in the middle east for the last long while.'

I get that there are issues making people very angry and frustrated in Europe, but I'm sure more or less every person saying any info on extremism or terrorism not being reported should be treated as a crime would pay no notice of the middle east issues as a reason to not report, so they should probably get reporting the terror threats we got on boards earlier tonight.

Noel82

Billy86 wrote: »

Oh yeah I get that there are reasons for some people acting like that (though if it is unavoidable we would all be doing it), but that's not the point here - that poster is openly calling on people to commit terrorist acts and that our own head of state 'needs a bullet'. There are posters here who should essentially consider themselves criminals if they do not do something about that.

Check my post, I edited it to be clear. That part of what he said I don't sympathize with at all, or any extremism. I'm trying to talk about the human reaction of the so called PC Brigade, the media and spineless Politicians doing everything in their power to downplay a huge problem, certainly the biggest social problem I've seen in my lifetime. Even so I'll stand by what I said originally, this is all a secondary reaction to a problem that hasn't been dealt with by Governments or mainly the EU in this case, and has been allowed to fester for far too long. Perhaps too long for there ever to be a credible solution.

Noel82 wrote: »

I don't agree with what he said, but what he said is a symptom of the main problem, and in reality that poster isn't alone in his thinking at all. I would say it's a widespread thought in the back of alot of peoples minds. It's an unavoidable human reaction to what's happening around Europe IMO and inevitably with increasing social problems and terror attacks when the Government and Media do everything in their power to downplay what's happening normal people are going to take the law into their own hands. I'll repeat I don't agree with what he said, but IMO, it's exactly what Douglas Murray is talking about.

Oh yeah I get that there are reasons for some people acting like that (though if it is unavoidable we would all be doing it), but that's not the point here - that poster is openly calling on people to commit terrorist acts and that our own head of state 'needs a bullet'. Saying it should not be reported is like saying stumbling upon someone talking about bombing a London tube train on a forum with a high number of Muslims should not be reported because Muslims are unhappy with what has gone on in the middle east for the last long while. There are posters here who should essentially consider themselves criminals if they do not do something about that.

I drive a truck wrote: »

Have you?

There are multiple posters here who by their own standards would want to be reporting this as soon as they get the chance, though in the interests of public safety I might well do so. I assume those same posters will be doing so themselves?

Local garda station contact info, phone and email, can be found here - http://www.garda.ie/stations/default.aspx

Noel82

Billy86 wrote: »

Pretty big difference here - the guy is openly saying a bullet needs to be put in our head of state. That is a point blank call for terrorism. Then he's gone and said we need to become terrorists ourselves. I don't recall Tommy Robinson openly saying Theresa May or David Cameron "needs a bullet" or that British people need to enact terrorism, in fact I've seen him supporters/sympathisers/apologists/whatever you want to call them point this out on numerous occasions.

There are multiple posters in this thread saying if you see something like this (extremist, terrorist behaviour and rhetoric) and do not report it, it should be considered a crime. Will they report this to the Gardai?

I don't agree with what he said, but what he said is a symptom of the main problem, and in reality that poster isn't alone in his thinking at all. I would say it's a widespread thought in the back of alot of peoples minds. ( edit: Just to be clear, I'm not talking about shooting Politicians, that part of what he said is ridiculous and dangerous to me ) It's an unavoidable human reaction to what's happening around Europe IMO and inevitably with increasing social problems and terror attacks when the Government and Media do everything in their power to downplay what's happening normal people are going to take the law into their own hands. I'll repeat I don't agree with what he said, but IMO, it's exactly what Douglas Murray is talking about.