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High Noon with George Hook.

kneemos

A full ten minutes to get to the Muslims,and now it's Rugby.Not much has changed.

Sounds in good form anyway.

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SwD

DeadHand wrote: »

Dr. Kelly has about as much charisma on air as a bag of soil and I'm yet to hear her express an original idea.

YES.

Say Your Number

Given how Newstalk effectively encouraged George to go out and wind people up, it was inevitable he'd stick his foot in his mouth at some point, I understand his sentiment, but its a massively contentious issue, you'd need to have a carefully worded answer ready for, instead of charging in like a blunderbuss.

I thought the stuff on vaccines was far more dangerous and irresponsible, I wouldn't have blamed them if they took him off air after that, before he was suspended I thought he'd struggle to make it to Christmas, looks like the end for him, I thought last year he should have gone out on a high when the Right Hook ended, instead of being forced off the air in disgrace now.

Discodog

Surely Hook had to get his rant approved before broadcasting it ?

jobbridge4life

maxwell smart wrote: »

Oh dear....:rolleyes:

Outraged by Outrage, the Outraged vote for the Outrageous.
:rolleyes:

maxwell smart

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Donald Trump did not win the popular vote, in fact he lost it by several million votes. The largest factor in that odious cretin occupying the White House is the arcane electoral college system.

The great irony of your comment is that you bemoan 'social media driven outrage' while claiming that the vast majority of people are so outraged they might vote for a Donald Trump type, a man known for his perpetually outraged social media presence. Also hilarious that you made this comment on a form of social media, in a thread predominantly filled with people hysterically claiming the suspension of a radio presenter signifies the end of society as we know it.

LOL

Oh dear....:rolleyes:

jobbridge4life

Calhoun wrote: »

If i could thank a post twice i would, the shame in this situation is that any really prospect of a mature discussion is gone. RTE and otherstations are going to be on their guard going forward.

The chance of a mature discussion ended when George Hook, of his own volition, and with reference to an actual, specific rape case, asked (really implying) whether the victim shared some of the blame.

That is not a mature statement. It is a gross and dangerous comment, that has negatively affected his employer who, as is their right, have decided to suspend him.

Calhoun wrote: »

I don't know if this was a win for the radical left/always offended or if it was an own goal. The best thing you can ever do is let unpopular opinions come to the surface because you can debunk them with fact and make the people look stupid. Not having that opportunity actually builds opposition against the ones that are seen to be shutting down the discussion.

Which is why trickle down economics is dead, which is why Trump was soundly defeated, which is why we don't have a growing problem with fascists. Right...

Calhoun wrote: »

The fact that one of our TD's made a member of the Iona institute seem credible and more connected with people on the ground in Ireland is a scary prospect.

I don't think David Quinn's aggressive, hysterical screaming at a TD made him look in any way well.

Five Green Bottles

I think he meant that the rape victim shouldn't have been there. Rather than to imply that she should share the part of the blame. He also mentioned that the unfortunate rape victim didn't know anything including the sexual health etc of the man, and questioned from the beginning her decision to be have left the venue that they met in without known anything about the man.
I don't believe he aimed to blame the horrible actions of the perpetrators on the victim

Vorenus400

Five Green Bottles wrote: »

Yeats has adopted the same line as Pat Kenny, "it's absolutely unacceptable what George had said but he's a good guy" it's now the newstalk party line. It's not right what George said but it's not altogether wrong either. George being older school genuinely believe people have to take responsibility for the position they put them selves in. If you are out in the city any city there will be bad people, sick people and dangerous people. Minimising risk is knowing who you are with. other people known who you with and it's not putting your life and safety in the hands of someone you don't know nor are you in anyway familiar with. When you look into most things there is a responsibility of everyone if at least not to protect themselves from danger not to contribute to the putting themselves at risk or in danger. For that alone he's probably right even if his delivery of it wasn't best worded.

Thats not really what Yates said. He heavily emphasised how wrong george was and that no one in newstalk agreed with his ideas in any way. At the end he said that George was a friend and he got his start on the show.

yates spoke at lenght about how female friendly newstalk is. he is protecting newstalk rather than defending Hook.

They will be discussing it after 6 again

Mr E

Someone had to fill in today. They couldn't have had two hours of dead air. :rolleyes:

jobbridge4life

DeadHand wrote: »

She hasn't openly betrayed him but she has failed him as a friend in not supporting him publically.

She could have accepted his apology and vouched for Hook the man as Pat Kenny did while at the same time condemning his clumsy comments. Kenny was a far better, braver friend to Hook than Dr. Kelly despite the fact that, in terms of their respective media careers, Ciara owes Hook a hell of a lot more than Pat does.

As it is, Ciara has wilfully profited from George's wrongful suspension. Unless she did so with Hook's blessing she has betrayed her friend.

At best she has abandoned Hook in his time of need- at worst she betrayed him.

What a profoundly misinformed comment, that it has been liked by so many of your fellow travelers gives an indication of the nature of yer comments.

Ciara Kelly has publicly defended him, she appeared on his first broadcast back and thanked him for his apology, she has labelled the efforts to have him held accountable as amounting to an attempt to 'destroy' him.

jobbridge4life

Five Green Bottles wrote: »

Yeats has adopted the same line as Pat Kenny, "it's absolutely unacceptable what George had said but he's a good guy" it's now the newstalk party line. It's not right what George said but it's not altogether wrong either. George being older school genuinely believe people have to take responsibility for the position they put them selves in. If you are out in the city any city there will be bad people, sick people and dangerous people. Minimising risk is knowing who you are with. other people known who you with and it's not putting your life and safety in the hands of someone you don't know nor are you in anyway familiar with. When you look into most things there is a responsibility of everyone if at least not to protect themselves from danger not to contribute to the putting themselves at risk or in danger. For that alone he's probably right even if his delivery of it wasn't best worded.

HE very clearly implied that a rape victim ought to share part of the blame. He used the word blame.

jobbridge4life

maxwell smart wrote: »

The above is very accurate. Does it remind you of anything? Media out of touch with the people, politicians likewise?
It's not that far away from the reasons that Donald Trump was elected.
You might laugh but it's not that big a jump.
The vast majority of people are fed up with the media and it's circle of influence and with the social media driven outrage about everything.
It won't take much to tip people over the edge and chose a path that seems to show a different way.

Donald Trump did not win the popular vote, in fact he lost it by several million votes. The largest factor in that odious cretin occupying the White House is the arcane electoral college system.

The great irony of your comment is that you bemoan 'social media driven outrage' while claiming that the vast majority of people are so outraged they might vote for a Donald Trump type, a man known for his perpetually outraged social media presence. Also hilarious that you made this comment on a form of social media, in a thread predominantly filled with people hysterically claiming the suspension of a radio presenter signifies the end of society as we know it.

LOL

Five Green Bottles

Yeats has adopted the same line as Pat Kenny, "it's absolutely unacceptable what George had said but he's a good guy" it's now the newstalk party line. It's not right what George said but it's not altogether wrong either. George being older school genuinely believe people have to take responsibility for the position they put them selves in. If you are out in the city any city there will be bad people, sick people and dangerous people. Minimising risk is knowing who you are with. other people known who you with and it's not putting your life and safety in the hands of someone you don't know nor are you in anyway familiar with. When you look into most things there is a responsibility of everyone if at least not to protect themselves from danger not to contribute to the putting themselves at risk or in danger. For that alone he's probably right even if his delivery of it wasn't best worded.

jobbridge4life

constitutionus wrote: »

Unfortunetly now. its not possible.

He is on suspension. He hasn't had his larynx cut out. Nothing stopping him getting another show, if someone will hire him. Or he could do podcasts.

No one is entitled to a radio show ffs.

constitutionus

DickSwiveller wrote: »

IT IS NOT COMPULSORY TO LISTEN TO HIS PROGRAMME. I Repeat. IT IS NOT COMPULSORY TO LISTEN TO HIS PROGRAMME.

Unfortunetly now. its not possible.

mr_edge_to_you

Grolschevik wrote: »

What has? Someone has produced a fictional short film?

The whole thing and the PC society of today reminds me about the sketch from the Life Of Brian where one of the MEN from the People's Front of Judea announces that he should have the right to want to have children. Some of his fellow party members agree and then John Cleese's character dismisses the notion as preposterous and absurd.

maxwell smart

DickSwiveller wrote: »

So the religion of fanatical liberalism wins out again. I now can't listen to my favourite presenter because a bunch of metropolitan trendies - Mullally and co - have decided who I am and am not allowed listen to.

People need to understand that this was mainly media driven. The media is absolutely stuffed full of these trendies, and they've had a grudge against Newstalk for a long time because of the lack of woman presenters on prime time slots. Most people I've spoken to agreed with Hook and were baffled by the outrage.

I think another worrying aspect to this whole debacle is the influence of social media on national discourse. The advertisers seem to think that Ireland is represented by the few losers on twitter who seemingly have nothing better to do than call for a presenters head.

The above is very accurate. Does it remind you of anything? Media out of touch with the people, politicians likewise?
It's not that far away from the reasons that Donald Trump was elected.
You might laugh but it's not that big a jump.
The vast majority of people are fed up with the media and it's circle of influence and with the social media driven outrage about everything.
It won't take much to tip people over the edge and chose a path that seems to show a different way.

southstar

Grolschevik wrote: »

What has? Someone has produced a fictional short film?

..and a load of reactionary bollix aimed at dimwits and Daily Mail readers ...you can see the moronic OTT responses to this pathetic propaganda...Steve Bannon would be proud....by the way I don't think Hook should have been suspended.He's an awkward self promoting blabbermouth but not a bad person.

RGDATA!

DeadHand wrote: »

She hasn't openly betrayed him but she has failed him as a friend in not supporting him publically.

She could have accepted his apology and vouched for Hook the man as Pat Kenny did while at the same time condemning his clumsy comments. Kenny was a far better, braver friend to Hook than Dr. Kelly despite the fact that, in terms of their respective media careers, Ciara owes Hook a hell of a lot more than Pat does.

As it is, Ciara has wilfully profited from George's wrongful suspension. Unless she did so with Hook's blessing she has betrayed her friend.

At best she has abandoned Hook in his time of need- at worst she betrayed him.

I saw her publicly defend him on Twitter, so I don't think it's fair to accuse her of "betraying him" or whatever.

jobbridge4life

DeadHand wrote: »

Deeply ironic that you would hysterically claim that Hook "imperilled the working environment" and his comments were "the vilest, most irresponsible nonsense from the depths of his bowels" and then proceed to tell everyone else to get a grip.

There is not a jot of 'hysteria' in my comment, it is a factual statement, George Hook disturbed the working environment, he imperiled the ability of the organisation to function smoothly. His comments lead to 20 Newstalk staff out of 60 signing a letter to management, a third of the employees. It prompted a other presenter to refuse to present her programme. It lead to a walk out and protest during another presenters show. If that is not damaging the working environment I don't really know what would qualify.

You also misquoted me so, I did t actually refer to George in the quoted text. It was a general comment on the growing insistence by some hysterics that if you call something an opinion then no matter how atrocious it is, and no matter the setting in which it is aired, the individual is somehow not to be judged on it, or face consequences for it.

Were is the screeching about the freedom of speech of the Irish Times journalists who have been barred by Newstalk?

mr_edge_to_you

ballsymchugh wrote: »

is Dil still not going to present her 'show'? she's only back from maternity leave.

I've happened to hear her show on a few occasions - picking up the Chinese takeaway on a Saturday night. It's absolutely awful stuff.

She took a stand on George's comments. Does she (and the Marconi Two-Oh) not realise that George is a significant contributor to the bills? Talk about biting off the hand that feeds you. I wouldn't think her show is a big revenue puller on a commercial station.

Faugheen

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Ciara Kelly got the result that she was looking for from this.. What a snake in the grass.

You need to cop yourself on and read her Twitter account.

You're far too quick to jump in and look for a target, which is no worse than some of the people that you disagree with when they went after Hook.

Kelly is one of the people saying he shouldn't be sacked.

Calhoun

anna080 wrote: »

All this will do is sweep much needed discussion under the carpet. Want to talk about rape? Nope. We don't do that here. That's hush hush. Sweep it under the carpet over right over there thank you.

What live broadcaster is going to want to risk talking about something so delicate- without the fear of misspeaking and being threatened with a sanction? It'll be a deserted topic. Maybe Dil can talk about it to her three listeners.

It reminds me of the time Rory O Neill accused some members of the Irish media of homophobia and Iona threatened to sue. Those comments completely changed the landscape of RTE. They are now afraid for their lives they'll ever be seen endorsing comments like Rory's and have their balls firmly tucked in since. Funny enough, a lot of Irish media, and social media alike came out in support of Rory and his right to air his opinion, saying he was "censored".
Not saying they weren't right to do so- I'm
merely pointing out the hypocrisy in supporting censorship only when it suits.

If i could thank a post twice i would, the shame in this situation is that any really prospect of a mature discussion is gone. RTE and otherstations are going to be on their guard going forward.

I don't know if this was a win for the radical left/always offended or if it was an own goal. The best thing you can ever do is let unpopular opinions come to the surface because you can debunk them with fact and make the people look stupid. Not having that opportunity actually builds opposition against the ones that are seen to be shutting down the discussion.

The fact that one of our TD's made a member of the Iona institute seem credible and more connected with people on the ground in Ireland is a scary prospect.

Grolschevik

Lt Dan wrote: »

It has happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM

What has? Someone has produced a fictional short film?

Kamili

Lt Dan wrote: »

It has happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM

I find that frightening...

Lt Dan

It has happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM

Lt Dan

The_Captain wrote: »

I'll start listening to Newstalk more now that they're making the right choice.

Advertisers don't want to be associated with his odious opinions, Newstalk are right to suspend him since he costs them money.

All the bigots out there will cry about how it's an attack on free speech, even though it's purely a business decision.

Some day, in the not too distant future, you will enlighten yourself as to what a "bigot" actually is and , I tell you, it is not some empty term that you can use that you don't understand.

Then, you will find out quick enough that what your sensitive soul thought was bigotry was child's play to the deal thing

mikep

This is citizens information take on the constitutional position:
Freedom of expression
You have a right to freely express your convictions and opinions. However, the Constitution asserts that the State should try to make sure that the radio, the press and the cinema are not used to undermine public order or morality or the authority of the State. It also states that it is an offence to publish or utter blasphemous, seditious or indecent matter.
All the people who are responsible for Hook being taken off the air should consider this.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, going down the road of preventing people from expressing an opinion that doesn't fall foul of the constitution, is a dangerous road to go down..
Venezuela and Turkey come to mind...

Slieve Gullion

Tayschren wrote: »

So no different than the vast majority of people calling for his head, haven't even listened to the piece that started this furor as well Id bet.

But but but but

I've had a change of heart and think he should be forgiven. He's apologised so let it go now.

Lt Dan

hotmail.com wrote: »

In terms of social issues (divorce, lgbt rights, contraception, equal rights for women, separation of church and state etc etc), the media does have a liberal bias on these matters. It reflects a changed Ireland and changed irish attitudes.

There are those like yourself who have not changed with the majority and are not open to changing their minds. George Hook reflected that attitude. So it's a pity he was stupid enough to go too far on this one.

Hook was one of the leading voices in the support for gay marriage. Long before Kenny or Obama said yes

Stop talking rubbish now.