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Incident on London Underground

Witchie

Just saw on BBC News that there had been some sort of possible explosion on the underground. People apparently coming out with burns on their faces.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4887032/Explosion-underground-train-south-London.html

That was first link I saw.

Hope everyone is OK.

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AudreyHepburn

They're saying on Sky News now that it's being treated as a Terrorist incident.

At what point are we going to stop taking and start taking action against these lunatics.

The softly softly watch and wait approach is not working anymore.

gandalf

BillyBobBS wrote: »

These people want us all dead and aren't going away. I refuse to accept the view of the London mayor and others who view this as "part and parcel" of life in a big city.

So how do you deal with this? I see a number of people espousing that direct action be taken, what action are they suggesting?

[Deleted User]

gandalf wrote: »

So how do you deal with this? I see a number of people espousing that direct action be taken, what action are they suggesting?

Been said in every other thread that happens every other week

BillyBobBS

Looking at the size of that bomb it's a blessing it never went off. I really worry for Europe in the next few years tbh. ISIS are getting their arses handed to them in Iraq and Syria and are fleeing to Europe. If they bring the same IED expertise they used in that war to the UK, Germany, Sweden etc.. and indeed even here then we are in for a hairy few years.

Hope they catch this scumbag and he doesn't go for another attack today.

techdiver

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

They're saying on Sky News now that it's being treated as a Terrorist incident.

At what point are we going to stop taking and start taking action against these lunatics.

The softly softly watch and wait approach is not working anymore.

What do you suggest they do that they are not already doing?

People fail to see how monumentally difficult it is to stop someone doing this if they want to.

It's not as if they can bomb somewhere in response as they would in many cases have to bomb their own country as many of the attacks are perpetrated by their own citizens.

They have a serious number of people under surveillance but it's impossible to keep track of all of them given the resources available. Also, before someone suggests internment, there would be no better a recruitment tool for young muslims to see people being dragged away without committing a crime, because you can bet any money innocents would be caught up in it.

They way to tackle the issue is to get the next generation and educate and provide opportunities. I'm not saying don't come down very hard on those people responsible and those responsible for recruiting and radicalizing young people. But a holistic approach is needed.

AudreyHepburn

gandalf wrote: »

So how do you deal with this? I see a number of people espousing that direct action be taken, what action are they suggesting?

Taking those known to be involved in terrorism and those harbouring them off the streets and jailing and/or deporting them would be a good start

todders

gitzy16v wrote: »

I was right,confirmed the MET,so CLEARLY I know something but Im not an expert.
Get back in your box.

OK, continue putting things out there before they have been proved

That should work out really well for you, without exception lmao

BillyBobBS

gandalf wrote: »

So how do you deal with this? I see a number of people espousing that direct action be taken, what action are they suggesting?

Deport and jail anyone and everyone who shows any signs of being an extremist. You know sensible stuff. Tell the lefties and do gooders to funk off.

tomwaterford

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Taking those known to be involved in terrorism and those harbouring them off the streets and/or deporting them would be a good start

Where can they deport a british citizen too

and doubt the bits will ever attempt internment again

In these attacks they nearly always are home grown??

gandalf

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Deport and jail anyone and everyone who shows any signs of being an extremist. You know sensible stuff. Tell the lefties and do gooders to funk off.

So extremist covers all categories. So we can include far right, republicans, loyalists etc. As for deporting them what if they are citizens of the country?

El Weirdo

A Little Pony wrote: »

But sure Sadiq Khan the worst London mayor of all time said it's normal in a big city.

Exactly what metric are we using here?

[Deleted User]

gandalf wrote: »

So extremist covers all categories. So we can include far right, republicans, loyalists etc. As for deporting them what if they are citizens of the country?

Confirmed terrorists on the watch list

Why are they still in the country

The Backwards Man

El Weirdo wrote: »

Exactly what metric are we using here?

ALP prefers Imperial.

Billy86

El Weirdo wrote: »

Exactly what metric are we using here?

It seems it has to do with, erm... let's call it 'tonality'.

gandalf

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Confirmed terrorists on the watch list

Why are they still in the country

And will there by trail by law or do you propose skipping that bit?

And you haven't addressed the question what if they are citizens of the UK, where do you deport them to?

[Deleted User]

Has ISIS ever claimed responsibilty of attacks that failed, such as this one?

AudreyHepburn

tomwaterford wrote: »

Where can they deport a british citizen too

and doubt the bits will ever attempt internment again

In these attacks they nearly always are home grown??

Their parents country of origin.

gandalf

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Their parents country of origin.

And if their parents are British citizens?

rainbow kirby

A Little Pony wrote: »

But sure Sadiq Khan the worst London mayor of all time said it's normal in a big city.

You actually think that Zac Goldsmith would be doing a better job? Bahahahaha :rolleyes:

The Backwards Man

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Their parents country of origin.

And when their parents are British? Do you just keep going back generations with this bollocks until it suits you? Sounds like a great plan

Billy86

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Their parents country of origin.

1. Not possible by international law as best I am aware, that country could laugh the UK out of it and tell them where to go.

2. And if their parents were born in the UK? Do we revert to grandparents? Great grandparents? Great great grandparents? What if their family lines go back to the Norman invasions, I'm assuming you'd be looking to deport them to France based on 850 year old ancestry?

3. What if someone has for example one French parent and one Austrian parent?

4. What if their Norman ancestors themselves had ancestry dating back to the Romans? And what if those Romans had ancestry dating back to the Gauls in France? Do France and Italy just keep deporting the same person back and forth every few weeks for decades on end? If this happened to Irish/English people caught up would you promise not to whinge and moan about the cost of doing so to the tax payer?

tomwaterford

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Has ISIS ever claimed responsibilty of attacks that failed, such as this one?

Is this rather strange case where they claimed responsibly for an attack and police say it wasn't (think it was a case of infidelity or something from what I heard)

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/06/02/isis-claims-philippines-casino-attack-but-doesnt-give-evidence/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwjPvKrEkKfWAhVoIsAKHR0ZCrkQFgiCATAJ&usg=AFQjCNGJpDcSKc5Q4clYLs9fL3f1Yxra_w&ampcf=1

So you'd be wondering are they just full of self importance

Slightly worrying wit all the cctvs they haven't tracked down this would be bomber in london yet

Hoboo

Deleted User wrote: »

Has ISIS ever claimed responsibilty of attacks that failed, such as this one?

The local government, in this case British, chooses who claims responsibility. 'ISIS' don't have a say.

Search is ongoing for al Queda and the Taliban, still on an extended leave of absence. We're due a new baddy soon.

gandalf

tomwaterford wrote: »

Slightly worrying wit all the cctvs they haven't tracked down this would be bomber in london yet

They may already have them and are not releasing the info yet? For obvious reasons.

BillyBobBS

This is a confirmed terrorist attack. Maybe a thread title change is in order.

gitzy16v

todders wrote: »

OK, continue putting things out there before they have been proved

That should work out really well for you, without exception lmao

I took an educated guess,whats your problem?
Maybe you could educate yourself and you might have the confidence to make an educated guess...lmao:rolleyes:

BillyBobBS

The Backwards Man wrote: »

And when their parents are British? Do you just keep going back generations with this bollocks until it suits you? Sounds like a great plan

Drop them in the middle of the sea with concrete boots then. If you show support for extremists who are willing to blow up children, men and women then i couldn't give a hoot about their human rights etc..

tomwaterford

gandalf wrote: »

They may already have them and releasing the info yet?

You'd imagine they'd want to relieve fears for Friday evenings incase this lad was part of a cell planning to attack pubs/clubs etc of people going out after work on a Friday

El Weirdo

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Drop them in the middle of the sea with concrete boots then.

Sounds a bit... ISISish, no?

Billy86

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Drop them in the middle of the sea with concrete boots then. If you show support for extremists who are willing to blow up children, men and women then i couldn't give a hoot about their human rights etc..

Oh great, let's murder three year old children. A very logical and well thought out response as per usual.