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High Noon with George Hook.

kneemos

A full ten minutes to get to the Muslims,and now it's Rugby.Not much has changed.

Sounds in good form anyway.

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Jobs OXO

Bazzy wrote: »

Point and case here

i went and done the household big shop last night.

I left my wallet on the front seat of the car last night and it wasn't locked.

it was all there this morning when we I went to do the school run.

Thats the way it should be if someone went and took something from the car I perhaps should have had it locked but if they smashed a window is it my fault?

Well you'd only have yourself to blame if it was

Bazzy

Jobs OXO wrote: »

Well you'd only have yourself to blame if it was

because the car wasnt locked I accept that but if it was locked and the window was smashed not my fault

Jobs OXO

Bazzy wrote: »

because the car wasnt locked I accept that but if it was locked and the window was smashed not my fault

Do you think it would be a better idea not to leave your wallet on the front seat perhaps?

bottlebrush

Bazzy wrote: »

because the car wasnt locked I accept that but if it was locked and the window was smashed not my fault

Most definitely not your fault. But the likelihood of your car being broken into by an opportunistic burglar was increased as your wallet was on view.

optogirl

Jobs OXO wrote: »

Do you think it would be a better idea not to leave your wallet on the front seat perhaps?

Comparing leaving your wallet on the front seat and it getting taken to being a woman on a night out going home with one man and being raped by another. Not helpful.

Den14

ballsymchugh wrote:

I bring news of great joy:

They're the biggest bunch of bandwagoners. Excellent news

bottlebrush

optogirl wrote: »

Comparing leaving your wallet on the front seat and it getting taken to being a woman on a night out going home with one man and being raped by another. Not helpful.

Why not? If I'm going on a night out I will lock up my house and lock up my car to reduce the risk of them coming to any harm. But if I then go and get hammered and go back to a strange house with a person I have never met before then I have neglected to protect the most precious asset I own - my body. It's not my fault if my house is broken into or my car stolen or if I am raped - it's about reducing the risk.

DickSwiveller

Den14 wrote: »

They're the biggest bunch of bandwagoners. Excellent news

Fantastic news. Some unexpected benefits are coming from this incident. Won't have to listen to Brute Coppinger and Richard Boiled Carrott anymore - and the alleged singer Mary Coughlan. Great stuff!

sligojoek

Or Richard Void Barrett as I like to call him.

blue note

Is any comparison helpful? What about a man who walks home alone, drunk, through an isolated area. He's then set upon by a gang of youths and beaten and left in a critical condition.

After the story becomes public a group of friends discuss it and think it's awful what happened to him, but all agree that they wouldn't walk home through that area alone after dark and especially not drunk. Because it's too dangerous due to the people that lurk there. And girlfriends / parents might ask their boyfriends / sons not to walk home like that because they'd be worried about them.

That all seems reasonable and a fairly direct comparison to the advice often given to women, no?

And note that I said advice, not instruction. And as far as I can see people are concerned with women having the information to make the choice of what risks to take and what to avoid. After that, it's up to them, they're independent people who can do what they want. But the reason people get so animated in the discussion in giving that advice is that a huge number of people (and virtually all of the media), seem to insist that walking home alone drunk, getting drunk to the point that you lose control, etc will have no effect on your vulnerability. People see this in the media and think it's dangerous advice and gets animated in refuting it.

But informed choice is what it comes down to. Not control. The victims in these cases are people's family members - mothers, daughters, wives, sisters, first cousin one removed, etc. You'd swear from reading some of the discussions that people giving this advice hate the victims, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

PeterTheNinth

Anne Doyle has joined the baying mob. Albeit she's not looking for him to be fired.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1531621/veteran-rte-news-anchor-anne-doyle-slams-george-hooks-incomprehensible-rape-comments/

I'm still very surprised that Hook is still there. Maybe he's just toughing it out til the weekend before deciding either way. As I said before, even if he does stay on, he's gonna be so careful in the future that he wont actually be able to do the job. So it's a no win situation for him, and the listeners. I'd say he might release a statement announcing that he's leaving at the weekend.

walshb

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Fantastic news. Some unexpected benefits are coming from this incident. Won't have to listen to Brute Coppinger and Richard Boiled Carrott anymore - and the alleged singer Mary Coughlan. Great stuff!

They really are some shower!

suicide_circus

George is a thorn in the side if the echo chamber and must be eliminated

Harry Angstrom

It's been great listening to High Noon in recent days. Contrite George is a different animal to ranting George. No outbursts about cyclists, vaccines, water charge protestors blah blah blah. He reminds me of one of those annoying little dogs who's forever chasing cars, and then one day gets a belt in the face from a wheel.

SEPT 23 1989

DOB is sure to fire him now:D

Bazzy

Jobs OXO wrote: »

Do you think it would be a better idea not to leave your wallet on the front seat perhaps?

I do but its my wallet and my car presuming the car was locked what gives someone the right to help themselves ?

is it my fault?

[Deleted User]

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

It's been great listening to High Noon in recent days. Contrite George is a different animal to ranting George. No outbursts about cyclists, vaccines, water charge protestors blah blah blah. He reminds me of one of those annoying little dogs who's forever chasing cars, and then one day gets a belt in the face from a wheel.

So boring as **** and as bland as all the other mid morning shows?

Jobs OXO

Bazzy wrote: »

I do but its my wallet and my car presuming the car was locked what gives someone the right to help themselves ?

is it my fault?

Who said they have the right? It's your fault you increased the risk

Bazzy

optogirl wrote: »

Comparing leaving your wallet on the front seat and it getting taken to being a woman on a night out going home with one man and being raped by another. Not helpful.

Fully Agree my original point was around victim blaming and in this instance I am the victim but they could only see it because I had clear glass so is it my fault for having clear glass.

It has digressed from my original post and it is disrespectful to the original subject so I will bow out.

[Deleted User]

Bazzy wrote: »

I do but its my wallet and my car presuming the car was locked what gives someone the right to help themselves ?

is it my fault?

No it's not but you increase the likelihood and risk by doing so

[Deleted User]

Bazzy wrote: »

Fully Agree my original point was around victim blaming and in this instance I am the victim but they could only see it because I had clear glass so is it my fault for having clear glass.

It has digressed from my original post and it is disrespectful to the original subject so I will bow out.

And yet again you blabber on about fault. You're the one putting words in people's mouths even though you state you take safety measures in your everyday life

PeterTheNinth

Apparently they have had to rename the segment of the show that was once called "Here Come The Girls". In future this section will now be referred to as "There Go The Girls".

SafeSurfer

hotmail.com wrote: »

If you're surprised that most people in Ireland have had one night stands at some point, then I think we get a glimpse into the minds of Hook supporters.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if most people in Ireland have had a one night stand at some point.
But that's not what I was calling into question.
The assertion was that 99% of people had which is clearly nonsense.
I presume I don't have to explain the nuances between most, 51% and 99%

Larbre34

Coppinger and David Quinn were on SOR to discuss the Hook situation earlier.

Id be no fan of Quinn's faith based convictions but he said roughly what I have said about this, that you would always warn your own kids to limit the risk to themselves first and foremost.

Coppinger then turned around and called him part of the problem for doing so, for perpetuating the blame culture. She actually made we want to puke, the daft wagon. In fairness to SOR he read out some text that the thought police of the 50's are now just as bad on the opposite side of the spectrum. Coppinger didnt like that one bit.

suicide_circus

Of course she didn't, the truth is often unpalatable

Faugheen

Larbre34 wrote: »

Coppinger and David Quinn were on SOR to discuss the Hook situation earlier.

Id be no fan of Quinn's faith based convictions but he said roughly what I have said about this, that you would always warn your own kids to limit the risk to themselves first and foremost.

Coppinger then turned around and called him part of the problem for doing so, for perpetuating the blame culture. She actually made we want to puke, the daft wagon. In fairness to SOR he read out some text that the thought police of the 50's are now just as bad on the opposite side of the spectrum. Coppinger didnt like that one bit.

It wasn't a text. It was an opinion piece from Kitty Holland in the Irish Times (of all places) where I think she has spoken the most sense out of anyone.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/george-hook-should-be-challenged-not-silenced-1.3219952?mode=amp

For anyone who didn't see it.

DeadHand

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

It's been great listening to High Noon in recent days. Contrite George is a different animal to ranting George. No outbursts about cyclists, vaccines, water charge protestors blah blah blah. He reminds me of one of those annoying little dogs who's forever chasing cars, and then one day gets a belt in the face from a wheel.

Ah yes, how good it is to go through your day without having to confront anything so upsetting as a different opinion.

DickSwiveller

Faugheen wrote: »

It wasn't a text. It was an opinion piece from Kitty Holland in the Irish Times (of all places) where I think she has spoken the most sense out of anyone.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/george-hook-should-be-challenged-not-silenced-1.3219952?mode=amp

For anyone who didn't see it.

Am I missing something? She didn't say what Labre quoted her as saying.

ballsymchugh

Larbre34 wrote: »

Coppinger and David Quinn were on SOR to discuss the Hook situation earlier.

Id be no fan of Quinn's faith based convictions but he said roughly what I have said about this, that you would always warn your own kids to limit the risk to themselves first and foremost.

Coppinger then turned around and called him part of the problem for doing so, for perpetuating the blame culture. She actually made we want to puke, the daft wagon. In fairness to SOR he read out some text that the thought police of the 50's are now just as bad on the opposite side of the spectrum. Coppinger didnt like that one bit.

according to Coppinger, not liking Ivana Bacik is one of the reasons as why George is a misogynist. Must mean i'm fierce misogynistic then, a long with the people of Dun Laoghaire or wherever that have repeatedly chosen NOT to elect her in any general election she's ever stood in.

quintana76

See what RTE did by bringing on Quinn with Coppinger. It is obvious that in certain circles (RTE, IT) Quinn is portrayed as far right, (mainly because he speaks up for the RC Church).

It was a subtle (not so subtle) attempt to equate opponents of the witch hunt against Hook with being right wing.

It is media manipulation of opinion to their own ends. There are many others they could have brought on who did not have the same reputation thrust on to them by the media.