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High Noon with George Hook.

kneemos

A full ten minutes to get to the Muslims,and now it's Rugby.Not much has changed.

Sounds in good form anyway.

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quintana76

Was impressed by Michael Graham showing Hook genuine friendship and support in a time of troubles. Pat also.
This contrasts with the odious behavior of 'stab em in the back' Chris Donoghue.

If he and his ilk become the future of NewsTalk the station is doomed.

DickSwiveller

pilly wrote: »

I am absolutely amazed at the amount of new posters on Boards on this issue, strange isn't it? And everyone of them say George Hook was right?

I know, it's astonishing when people disagree with you.

Conservative

The Specialist wrote: »

pilly wrote: »

That's not the point jook was making Peter, I get what he was trying to say. Hooks most staunch supporters are merely making him look worse by saying what he said was right and he shouldn't have apologised.

I actually think this thing would have gone away a lot quicker if people weren't trying to defend it.

Yep, we've all done things wrong in life (at least I know I have) but we apologise for it and learn from it. It's the people trying to defend the indefensible that are making a bad situation worse here.

What he said was 100% correct - is personal responsibility gone out the window these days? You put yourself in a situation where some very bad outcomes can happen, and something bad then happens, you are then absolved of all responsibility? It's not diminishing anything to do with the horrific seriousness of rape, and he never worded it in that way - he posed a question that the PC brigade were quick to tear to shreds without fully understanding the point he was making.

Not only that but I haven't seen his qualifying comments posted anywhere. He afterwards said the rapist was 100% responsible for rape and he used a word like lowlife or scumbag.

suicide_circus

UsedToWait wrote: »

Ah here.
I'm not a fan myself, but there has to be a line between fair criticism and "dirty nappy" flinging.

Perhaps youd like to start up a petition to get me taken off the forum?

If Chris wants to dish out criticism he can't be too upset if others start to shine a spotlight on him

mikep

I find Dalatas statement regarding their withdrawal of sponsorship quite interesting "@Dalatahotels cannot support any radio station that allows inappropriate & hurtful comments to be made"
That's a fairly sweeping statement as many media outlets will find it hard to comply with that..it also threatens the opportunity for reasoned debate to take place..

jimmyw

The big eegit has shot himself in the foot now.

Make him donate to the RCC, go out with the workers there to see exactly what good work they are doing, speak to survivors, but when you're so called colleagues back stab you for the snowflakes that they are, it's sad . But I dont think he should be sacked. I am surprised at P Kennys comments, I disagree with him on some other topics.

ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT CONDONING HIS COMMENTS.

The Specialist

pilly wrote: »

That's not the point jook was making Peter, I get what he was trying to say. Hooks most staunch supporters are merely making him look worse by saying what he said was right and he shouldn't have apologised.

I actually think this thing would have gone away a lot quicker if people weren't trying to defend it.

Yep, we've all done things wrong in life (at least I know I have) but we apologise for it and learn from it. It's the people trying to defend the indefensible that are making a bad situation worse here.

What he said was 100% correct - is personal responsibility gone out the window these days? You put yourself in a situation where some very bad outcomes can happen, and something bad then happens, you are then absolved of all responsibility? It's not diminishing anything to do with the horrific seriousness of rape, and he never worded it in that way - he posed a question that the PC brigade were quick to tear to shreds without fully understanding the point he was making.

[Deleted User]

chicken foot wrote: »

By agreeing with Hook, that you believe women shouldn't go home with a stranger, then you are placing yourself in the position of being a potential rapist too or you plan on never, ever having a one night stand yourself.

Here we go with the nonsense of "I should be able to do what I want to"
Of course you should but this is not a utopia, why the f@ck can people not accept that? There are dangerous people out there and Yes by heading away with someone you do not know does increase your chance of violent crime. It's a fact of life and people need to weigh up the potential of each situation.

It is NOT their fault if something bad happens but that IS the world we live in.

pilly

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

He HAS apologised for this comments ffs. You would swear that all the holy Joe (Molloy) types on this thread never send a wrong word in their lives. He has apologised for what he said, and I think both sides have ackowledged that. The question is post apology whether he deserves to lose his job over this.

That's not the point jook was making Peter, I get what he was trying to say. Hooks most staunch supporters are merely making him look worse by saying what he said was right and he shouldn't have apologised.

I actually think this thing would have gone away a lot quicker if people weren't trying to defend it.

Yep, we've all done things wrong in life (at least I know I have) but we apologise for it and learn from it. It's the people trying to defend the indefensible that are making a bad situation worse here.

UsedToWait

suicide_circus wrote: »

Chris is an odious mealy mouthed sycophant. This guy never held an opinion until he was sure it went with the prevailing wind. A weasel with the personality of a dirty nappy and the charisma of a pot noodle.

Ah here.
I'm not a fan myself, but there has to be a line between fair criticism and "dirty nappy" flinging.

pilly

DeadHand wrote: »

Some common sense finally breaks through the deafening clamour of hysteria and manic virtue signalling.

Pat's gone way up in my estimation.

Did Ivan Yates not kind of defend him the other night when Mary Coughlan took her strop?

sonic85

suicide_circus wrote: »

Apologies are not enough. WE WANT BLOOD.

This is what it all boils down to I'm afraid. People don't want an apology or to know he's sorry - that's nowhere near enough. They want to destroy him. Plunge the dagger in and then twist it. The whole thing is disgusting

Jobs OXO

chicken foot wrote: »

I know you think you're the boss calling people "snowflakes" but it's the equivalent of wearing a Dunce Hat - you're just highlighting the absolute level of your ignorance.

G Hook is an absolute knob jockey, his view of women has always been through a sexualised lens, should he be fired? I don't know,..perhaps spend a weekend at the RCC & see for himself.

I think people forget the absolute horror of Rape at times. Just imagine someone physically forcing themselves INTO YOU!! Men & Women alike should be able to conjour up the sheer brutality, force and viciousness needed for this to happen.

By agreeing with Hook, that you believe women shouldn't go home with a stranger, then you are placing yourself in the position of being a potential rapist too or you plan on never, ever having a one night stand yourself.

As for his comments re consent in a relationship, I can't even go there. I don't know any husband/partner who feels he can have sex with his wife whenever he sees fit.

Simmer down. You're in danger of melting....

pilly

I am absolutely amazed at the amount of new posters on Boards on this issue, strange isn't it? And everyone of them say George Hook was right?

constitutionus

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Safe Ireland have come out and said that Hook's position is untenable.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0913/904317-george-hook/

So we are to read that Safe Ireland think that it is "safe" behaviour to get completely hammered and go home with somebody that you don't know.

I swear, with all the statements from the different sides, this is turning in to the second civil war. :-) Brother against brother...

Heard their boss on radio earlier.

Looks like yet another quango for a militant feminist to get a platform.

The same type that'd be connected to the Catholic church in the 50s to lord it over people.

She went off on one on newstalks lack of women in prime time. The place is RAN by women FFS.

Conservative

jooksavage wrote: »

Also, really surprised anyone thinks Moncrieff DIDN'T put his name on that letter. Again, speculation, but the way he gets dissed on here, I'm surprised.

Agree there. He'd be second on the list I would have thought.

Anyone that listened to any of their in studio interaction could tell they can't stand one another. It was highly awkward/entertaining while it lasted.

constitutionus

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Fair play to Pat Kenny for not joining the mob. This certainly wont make him popular, but it's the right thing to do.

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/pat-kenny-defends-decent-man-george-hook-over-controversial-rape-comments-36127451.html

^ That is exactly the sort of statement that I was expecting from his supposed friend Ciara Kelly. Instead of sticking her scalpal in his back.

I sometimes wonder what people like pat and Marion make of what's become of their profession.

In many ways the snowflakes are worse than the section 31 days.

Least he's got the guts the 20 don't!

PeterTheNinth

Kerry_2008 wrote: »

Id say you can definitely throw a few of the off the ball snowflakes like Joe Molloy and Ger Gilroy in there. It will probably be a lot of production and news staff. Even the tea lad. Definitely Chris, Sarah McEnerney, Jor Molly, Ger Gilroy, Dil, Ciara Kelly, Henry McKeean, Orla barry, (not sure about tom dunne and moncrieff)

Shona Murray signed twice on her way out the door.

chicken foot

Kerry_2008 wrote: »

Id say you can definitely throw a few of the off the ball snowflakes like Joe Molloy and Ger Gilroy in there. It will probably be a lot of production and news staff. Even the tea lad.

Definitely Chris, Sarah McEnerney, Jor Molly, Ger Gilroy, Dil, Ciara Kelly, Henry McKeean, Orla barry, (not sure about tom dunne and moncrieff)

I know you think you're the boss calling people "snowflakes" but it's the equivalent of wearing a Dunce Hat - you're just highlighting the absolute level of your ignorance.

G Hook is an absolute knob jockey, his view of women has always been through a sexualised lens, should he be fired? I don't know,..perhaps spend a weekend at the RCC & see for himself.

I think people forget the absolute horror of Rape at times. Just imagine someone physically forcing themselves INTO YOU!! Men & Women alike should be able to conjour up the sheer brutality, force and viciousness needed for this to happen.

By agreeing with Hook, that you believe women shouldn't go home with a stranger, then you are placing yourself in the position of being a potential rapist too or you plan on never, ever having a one night stand yourself.

As for his comments re consent in a relationship, I can't even go there. I don't know any husband/partner who feels he can have sex with his wife whenever he sees fit.

PeterTheNinth

Rona Mahony was on with Pat Kenny there. I was expecting her to bury Hook, but they didn't speak about the topic.

jooksavage

Also, really surprised anyone thinks Moncrieff DIDN'T put his name on that letter. Again, speculation, but the way he gets dissed on here, I'm surprised.

jooksavage

The guessing game is fun but it's pure speculation and also the whole "i want their names!" thing has a bit of a "doxy", creepy vibe to it. Like what are you gonna do with their names? NOT listen to the snowflakes you already don't listen on OTB? Send another strongly worded email for Global Village to ignore?

Kerry_2008

Conservative wrote: »

I'm not so sure about Tom. I doubt he's involved tbh.

My hunch would be looking between 2-10pm of the pre Ivan schedule including production staff, producers and perhaps a newsreader or two in there.

Id say you can definitely throw a few of the off the ball snowflakes like Joe Molloy and Ger Gilroy in there. It will probably be a lot of production and news staff. Even the tea lad.

Definitely Chris, Sarah McEnerney, Jor Molly, Ger Gilroy, Dil, Ciara Kelly, Henry McKeean, Orla barry, (not sure about tom dunne and moncrieff)

Conservative

Snake Plisken wrote: »

So who are the cowards who signed the letter?
I'm sure there are a couple of household names Donoughue will be one. Sarah Mac another Moncrieff deffo Jonathan Healy Tom Dunne and most likely Dill.
I tell you this if Pat George and Ivan left the station I would delete the channel from the car radio!

I'm not so sure about Tom. I doubt he's involved tbh.

My hunch would be looking between 2-10pm of the pre Ivan schedule including production staff, producers and perhaps a newsreader or two in there.

The Specialist

jooksavage wrote: »

....aaaand round and round we go... God help Hook if NT management put any weight on the social media reaction to this.

Yeah hopefully they ignore social media and look at it from a business viewpoint - social media should never be allowed to dictate anybody's tenability for a job.

jooksavage

The Specialist wrote: »

And they are correct, he did nothing wrong - he articulated a thought in such a way to trigger all the snowflakes, but what he said still makes sense whether you find it tasteful or not.

....aaaand round and round we go... God help Hook if NT management put any weight on the social media reaction to this.

The Specialist

jooksavage wrote: »

Correct- HE'S apologised. But the line coming from his support on social media is "he shouldnt have to apologise because he did nothing wrong".

And they are correct, he did nothing wrong - he articulated a thought in such a way to trigger all the snowflakes, but what he said still makes sense whether you find it tasteful or not.

jooksavage

Snake Plisken wrote: »

So who are the cowards who signed the letter?
I'm sure there are a couple of household names Donoughue will be one. Sarah Mac another Moncrieff deffo Jonathan Healy Tom Dunne and most likely Dill.
I tell you this if Pat George and Ivan left the station I would delete the channel from the car radio!

That's pure speculation and while the NT office is hardly a teeming beehive, it's quite likely most of the signatories are people you've never heard of. Again, having been in that position I wouldn't call them cowards - you don't put your name on a letter like that expecting anonymity, especially from the subject of the letter, in this case a household name.

Conservative

Ah Pat you absolute legend! It's heartwarming to see someone in Pat's position willing to put himself out there in support of a colleague and friend.

I'm convinced all of these wannabe journos and Twitter people are living in a bubble that doesn't have anywhere near as much support as they seem to think. I questioned Chris Donoghues motives on Sunday via Twitter (which I don't really use) and the absolute softie blocked me!

Ian O'Doherty is on with PK this morning. I wonder will he say something - he really should.

suicide_circus

Snake Plisken wrote: »

So who are the cowards who signed the letter?
I'm sure there are a couple of household names Donoughue will be one. Sarah Mac another Moncrieff deffo Jonathan Healy Tom Dunne and most likely Dill.
I tell you this if Pat George and Ivan left the station I would delete the channel from the car radio!

If those people left the station it would go bankrupt. The only draws they have are these presenters plus Moncrieff.