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High Noon with George Hook.

kneemos

A full ten minutes to get to the Muslims,and now it's Rugby.Not much has changed.

Sounds in good form anyway.

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Snake Plisken

So who are the cowards who signed the letter?
I'm sure there are a couple of household names Donoughue will be one. Sarah Mac another Moncrieff deffo Jonathan Healy Tom Dunne and most likely Dill.
I tell you this if Pat George and Ivan left the station I would delete the channel from the car radio!

suicide_circus

Kerry_2008 wrote: »

Everyone excepts what hook said was wrong. He was trying to express a sentiment but went about it clumsily. But, the outrage on news talk led by the pip squeak Chris Donohue is nauseating. Chris and his former sidekick on drive had their show tank because they were a pair of PC clean shirts.

I get people as outraged. But I don't think its a sackable offence. If people showed as much 'outrage' when a politician does something wrong we would be better served.

Chris is an odious mealy mouthed sycophant. This guy never held an opinion until he was sure it went with the prevailing wind. A weasel with the personality of a dirty nappy and the charisma of a pot noodle.

Basal

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Safe Ireland have come out and said that Hook's position is untenable.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0913/904317-george-hook/

So we are to read that Safe Ireland think that it is "safe" behaviour to get completely hammered and go home with somebody that you don't know.

I swear, with all the statements from the different sides, this is turning in to the second civil war. :-) Brother against brother...

Never heard of safe Ireland before... I've heard of the safe pass course

jooksavage

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

He HAS apologised for this comments ffs. You would swear that all the holy Joe (Molloy) types on this thread never send a wrong word in their lives. He has apologised for what he said, and I think both sides have ackowledged that. The question is post apology whether he deserves to lose his job over this.

Correct- HE'S apologised. But the line coming from his support on social media is "he shouldnt have to apologise because he did nothing wrong".

jooksavage

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Does anybody know the names? Is it a public petition or have they kept their names secret?

As far as I'm aware the letter was presented to NT management so the matter is between them and the signatories.

In our case, we made no secret of our intention and individually advised the subject that a letter was being submitted - it's quite likely Hook is aware of who signed. I find the idea that anyone signed it in the cowardly hope of remaining anonymous quite improbable.

suicide_circus

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

He HAS apologised for this comments ffs. You would swear that all the holy Joe (Molloy) types on this thread never send a wrong word in their lives. He has apologised for what he said, and I think both sides have ackowledged that. The question is post apology whether he deserves to lose his job over this.

Apologies are not enough. WE WANT BLOOD.

PeterTheNinth

Safe Ireland have come out and said that Hook's position is untenable.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0913/904317-george-hook/

So we are to read that Safe Ireland think that it is "safe" behaviour to get completely hammered and go home with somebody that you don't know.

I swear, with all the statements from the different sides, this is turning in to the second civil war. :-) Brother against brother...

suicide_circus

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Does anybody know the names? Is it a public petition or have they kept their names secret?

If George is sacked the names will be released, if not they won't. These people won't fall on their righteous swords.

PeterTheNinth

jooksavage wrote: »

Comments like that though won't help Hook. This kind of stuff is all over Twitter and his most unapologetic supporters are getting cited in the media making him look like a fringe lunatic - thats not going to tilt an ongoing investigation back in his favour.

He HAS apologised for this comments ffs. You would swear that all the holy Joe (Molloy) types on this thread never send a wrong word in their lives. He has apologised for what he said, and I think both sides have ackowledged that. The question is post apology whether he deserves to lose his job over this.

PeterTheNinth

DeanAustin wrote: »

However, I'd have a problem if she signed that letter to remove Hook because that then means she's completely unable to have a rational discussion on some of the points Hook made.

Does anybody know the names? Is it a public petition or have they kept their names secret?

mang0

You know, it's almost as if the reaction of Newstalk's staff in relation to Hook is based on far more than just these latest comments.

jooksavage

DeadHand wrote: »

I'd also hope she was too good a person to join the twenty cowards who betrayed him for their own ends.

"Cowards"? "For their own ends"? You mean like professional integrity and trivialities like that? I've been in the position of putting my name to a letter requesting the removal of a colleague - it wasn't easy and I'd imagine it must be all the harder when the subject of the letter is a household name. Our letter was given the deaf ear and all the signatories ended up on the s***-list; I was heartened that Newstalk (a company owned by supposed Grand Satan DOB) appear to be taking on board the conerns of their staff.

Comments like that though won't help Hook. This kind of stuff is all over Twitter and his most unapologetic supporters are getting cited in the media making him look like a fringe lunatic - thats not going to tilt an ongoing investigation back in his favour.

suicide_circus

Once George is removed from irish radio, only one homogeneous school of thought will prevail. No descent. No deviation from the approved doctrine. One bland sycophantic voice. No alternatives postulated. Keep the dead down.

The best books... are those that tell you what you know already.

Kerry_2008

Everyone excepts what hook said was wrong. He was trying to express a sentiment but went about it clumsily. But, the outrage on news talk led by the pip squeak Chris Donohue is nauseating. Chris and his former sidekick on drive had their show tank because they were a pair of PC clean shirts.

I get people as outraged. But I don't think its a sackable offence. If people showed as much 'outrage' when a politician does something wrong we would be better served.

DeadHand

jooksavage wrote: »

it's certainly doing no harm) and condoning/ignoring what Hook HIMSELF has conceded were unacceptable remarks.

She could support Hook the man without condoning/ignoring his comments just as Pat Kenny did.

S. Goodspeed

Controversial shock jock says something controversial... I guess timing is everything, as is knowing which groups or subjects are simply off limits.

There is some truth to what he said but I think it did cross over a line into victim blaming territory, especially when talking about a specific case. The fact is though by going home with a man you don't know you are massively increasing you chances of being attacked, that obviously doesn't make it right and men like that should be locked up for a long time but this specific form of attack is largely avoidable.

DeadHand

jooksavage wrote: »

She's a doctor for God's sake. My brother-in-law is too and said that one of the hardest parts of his job is dealing with victims of physical and sexual violence. There's not a doctor in the country would condone what Hook said but she should park her professional ethics so Hook can squeeze another year out of his broadcasting career?

Hook did not condone rape. While he did not blame the rape victim deliberately, he expressed himself in a clumsy fashion that made it appear that he did. He has acknowledged this and apologised for it.

Dr. Kelly should, of course, reject and distance herself from the stupid comments just as Hook has done. But her friend to whom she owes her media career is being mauled unfairly and she is nowhere to be seen.

She doesn't need to approve of the offending comments, just confirm that Hook is a good person and genuinely contrite as Pat had the courage and decency to do. She may well have done so privately- I'd hope so. I'd also hope she was too good a person to join the twenty cowards who betrayed him for their own ends.

Since supporting her friend in his hour of need does not equal supporting rape or the offending comments he made, professional ethics does not come into it.

DeanAustin

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Fair play to Pat Kenny for not joining the mob. This certainly wont make him popular, but it's the right thing to do.

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/pat-kenny-defends-decent-man-george-hook-over-controversial-rape-comments-36127451.html

^ That is exactly the sort of statement that I was expecting from his supposed friend Ciara Kelly. Instead of sticking her scalpal in his back.

That's unfair. In the profession Kelly works in and taking her consistent position on feminism into account, the way she's acted is very understandable. If she didn't, people would say she's compromising her principles for the sake of a personal relationship.

However, I'd have a problem if she signed that letter to remove Hook because that then means she's completely unable to have a rational discussion on some of the points Hook made.

jooksavage

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

I said that she should distance herself from the remark, but not from the person who has been a good friend to her. And Ciara Kelly left her professional ethics at the door when she took part in a TV show that paraded overweight people in Lycra for the viewing entertainment of the audience.

Come on, there's a big difference between sitting on a panel of a douchey TV show (which at it's cringey heart at least thinks it's doing a public service - it's certainly doing no harm) and condoning/ignoring what Hook HIMSELF has conceded were unacceptable remarks.

DeanAustin

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Interesting to see how this plays out in NT though. Pat Kenny really has gone against the grain with this. Would have been far easier for him to say nothing at all. Maybe he has that Edmund Burke quote up above his bed.

But there's gona be two distinct camps at the station now, should make the staff room interesting at least.

Surely people are allowed to have differing opinions on things and it shouldn't cause all out war?

I admire Kenny for his stance but he's well enough established to speak like this. Some others, at the start of their careers, could be scared to do likewise and you can see why with the hysterics from certain quarters.

Beechwoodspark

Fair play to Pat.

bloodless_coup

"TRIGGER WARNING"...

PeterTheNinth

Interesting to see how this plays out in NT though. Pat Kenny really has gone against the grain with this. Would have been far easier for him to say nothing at all. Maybe he has that Edmund Burke quote up above his bed.

But there's gona be two distinct camps at the station now, should make the staff room interesting at least.

DeadHand

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Fair play to Pat Kenny for not joining the mob. This certainly wont make him popular, but it's the right thing to do.

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/pat-kenny-defends-decent-man-george-hook-over-controversial-rape-comments-36127451.html[/url

Some common sense finally breaks through the deafening clamour of hysteria and manic virtue signalling.

Pat's gone way up in my estimation.

PeterTheNinth

jooksavage wrote: »

There's not a doctor in the country would condone what Hook said but she should park her professional ethics so Hook can squeeze another year out of his broadcasting career?

I said that she should distance herself from the remark, but not from the person who has been a good friend to her. And Ciara Kelly left her professional ethics at the door when she took part in a TV show that paraded overweight people in Lycra for the viewing entertainment of the audience.

RebelButtMunch

RustyNut wrote: »

Indeed, If I was to say that allah or buddha or jesus was only a bollox with the intention of causing offence that would be a crime would it not?

Only the Jesus bit would be a crime

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

jooksavage

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Fair play to Pat Kenny for not joining the mob. This certainly wont make him popular, but it's the right thing to do.

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/pat-kenny-defends-decent-man-george-hook-over-controversial-rape-comments-36127451.html

^ That is exactly the sort of statement that I was expecting from his supposed friend Ciara Kelly. Instead of sticking her scalpal in his back.

She's a doctor for God's sake. My brother-in-law is too and said that one of the hardest parts of his job is dealing with victims of physical and sexual violence. There's not a doctor in the country would condone what Hook said but she should park her professional ethics so Hook can squeeze another year out of his broadcasting career?

PeterTheNinth

Fair play to Pat Kenny for not joining the mob. This certainly wont make him popular, but it's the right thing to do.

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/radio/pat-kenny-defends-decent-man-george-hook-over-controversial-rape-comments-36127451.html

"The comments are not reflective of him. He is a decent man with children and was musing over a topic.

"He has entertained people for 13 years and it would be sad that people would take his mis-speaking on the radio as the real representation of George the man," he added.
Mr Kenny also stressed that he was "not in any way trying to espouse the point of view that [Hook] articulated".

^ That is exactly the sort of statement that I was expecting from his supposed friend Ciara Kelly. Instead of sticking her scalpal in his back.

PeterTheNinth

If Hook does get fired, then Ciara Kelly needs to take a long hard look at herself. Hook was a big part of getting her on the radio, which lead to all the subsequent shows that she got. I wouldn't expect her to support what he said, but she could have said "Look he was completely wrong, but he is a decent guy". She probably played out in her head how that might look to the baying liberal mob if she had said something in mitigation, and how it would play out with all of the other squares that run Newstalk. If George has only friends like her, then who needs enemies?

To me is seems that she put her career ahead of doing the right thing and standing up for a man that has been a good friend to her, and a great help to her career. Maybe she figures she'll get the job if George goes?

PeterTheNinth

I was expecting to drive in this morning, switch on the radio, and find that Hook was gone. If that many people are against him, albeit for their own populist reasons rather than any moral reasons, then it's hard to see how he will stay.

I guess the irony would be if they got rid of Hook (one of their popular presenters), and they fill it with another one of their squares from the production line, then the station will probably go down the pan altogether.