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High Noon with George Hook.

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A full ten minutes to get to the Muslims,and now it's Rugby.Not much has changed.

Sounds in good form anyway.

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Ol' Donie

Deedsie wrote: »

It was a stupid thing to say and a horrible thing to think or believe.

Ive been a fan of George for a good few years but as a cyclist ill not be upset if he gets **** canned. Sick of him demonising cyclists every week. I obey every rule of the road and stop at every light, never cycle on a footpath.

So it will be nice to no longer have to hear him nonsensically roar about "bloody cyclists"

Enjoy your retirement George. Careful on the roads chief

Given the fact that there was a clear editorial decision to let George off on his ill informed ramblings as the entire basis for the show, it's no surprise something like this happened. I thought it would have happened months ago.

Ultimately the blame for this, such as it is, sits at the feet of Newstalk. George was just doing what he's paid (and indeed encouraged) to do.

Ash.J.Williams

It's an interesting topic all the same. Rapists /sex offenders are not normal people. I don't think it's helpful saying people have the right to get sh1t faced and sleep with whoever without consequences.... If you've lost your senses then you are vulnerable. If you spot someone who seems to be not in control of their senses then you should keep an eye on them and who is watching them. If somebody is trying to score somebody who's vulnerable you should inform them politely at first that they should try their luck elsewhere...

[Deleted User]

Calhoun wrote:

Some of the crap coming out now is OTT and blatand publicity grabbing, like your one plugging her gig .before walking off another program.

It was a charity gig. She was in the studio on behalf of the charity

Calhoun

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I totally agree with you. The problem is that so many people are denying he made he made a mistake with the wording, saying that he was totally right even though he acknowledged that he made a mistake. I don't believe he deliberately said it but lots of free speech people saying that he did say it deliberately & I don't think they are helping him at all.
I think they are looking for a martyr for their cause tbh

No one's looking for a martyr for any cause just sick of the over reaction from the radical left.

What he said was wrong it is damaging to men and women of Ireland but he has come out and said he was wrong.

Some of the crap coming out now is OTT and blatand publicity grabbing, like your one plugging her gig .before walking off another program.

[Deleted User]

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I totally agree with you. The problem is that so many people are denying he made he made a mistake with the wording, saying that he was totally right even though he acknowledged that he made a mistake. I don't believe he deliberately said it but lots of free speech people saying that he did say it deliberately & I don't think they are helping him at all.
I think they are looking for a martyr for their cause tbh

People are far too quick to get on the outrage train without asking the simple question "would you clarify that please?"

[Deleted User]

DeanAustin wrote:

In my opinion, Hook was talking about personal responsibility. I don't believe he was intending to partially blame victims even if that's how what he said reads and sounds.

DeanAustin wrote:

If you accept that, and I can see why some won't, then his position was perfectly reasonable if poorly articulated. Society is becoming less and less responsible for their own actions and everything is someone else's fault. That's a general point by the way rather than applicable to rape.

I totally agree with you. The problem is that so many people are denying he made he made a mistake with the wording, saying that he was totally right even though he acknowledged that he made a mistake. I don't believe he deliberately said it but lots of free speech people saying that he did say it deliberately & I don't think they are helping him at all.
I think they are looking for a martyr for their cause tbh

[Deleted User]

jooksavage wrote:

Dude, it's not believed by his superfans on here who, by and large, are taking the stance of "he said nothing wrong to begin with" and "he doesn't mean the apology - he's just has to say it to keep his job"

jooksavage wrote:

That's pretty much the tone of his support on Twitter too. His most rabid advocates are making him look as bad as his critics.

That's my point.

Someone saying that he did not victim shame when he has said he did. Then saying that he's lying, he did not blame & he doesn't mean the apology is made helping him at all. If the apology does not work they will force him to resign.
What is wrong with saying that he made a mistake.

I listen to the show most days. I don't hate George but there are days when you could hate what he's saying. I'd genuinely hate to see him resign in shame.

DeanAustin

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I don't really get this at all.

Hooks side is that he made a mistake and said something that was wrong. I don't think that's your position at all.

Also to posters and people on Twitter, the more you say George was forced to apologise and doesn't mean it the more likely that he will be fired.
Management are monitoring social media to see how the apology is going down with the public. If it's not being believed by the public then they will have to take action.

In my opinion, Hook was talking about personal responsibility. I don't believe he was intending to partially blame victims even if that's how what he said reads and sounds.

If you accept that, and I can see why some won't, then his position was perfectly reasonable if poorly articulated. Society is becoming less and less responsible for their own actions and everything is someone else's fault. That's a general point by the way rather than applicable to rape.

In relation to rape, of course no victim deserves any blame for their rape but that doesn't mean that they have no responsibility to try and keep themselves reasonably safe. Like it or not, getting legless drunk (to the point that you pass out) and going home with a random stranger strongly increases your chances of being raped.

The witch hunt for Hook has been disgusting and a sign of a society who cannot have a reasonable discussion on subjects like this.

Ash.J.Williams

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Unfortunately, after today, I'm expecting George to announce his resignation before the week is out.

I'd say he is a broken man after hearing that 20 of his colleagues want him to leave. That level of rejection must be awfully painful. I'm beginning to think that yesterdays' apology has backfired spectacularly on him, he would have been better off if he had clarified his remarks, making it 100% clear that rape is never the victims' fault and that his original intention was merely to encourage people to look out for themselves and their friends on a night out. I would say 85% of what he said was just old fashioned common sense, the stuff that lots of parents would say to their daughters and sons most weekends before they head into town.

I'm deeply saddened at the level of bullying and abuse the man is being subjected to, how is this acceptable? Surely, we have reached a point where the bullying and the hatred being expressed is far worse than his clumsy comments?

Going back the petition to remove George, I have a feeling that there are quite a few Newstalk presenters who feel very resentful towards George Hook, Ivan Yates and Pat Kenny because of the deals they've managed to negotiate for themselves...and today has a lot to do with opportunism.

If you look back over the last few years, Ivan has left and returned to the station and other presenters have been moved out of their positions to accommodate him. George has also been facilitated, Moncrieff's programme has been shortened twice and Healy was shafted from Lunchtime to make way for High Noon.

If George is sacked or made resign, it means that instantly a prime time slot becomes available for someone else - Chris, Sarah, Shane??... Moncrieff's programme with probably be extended and Jonathan Healy will more than likely come back to provide holiday cover. So many presenters stand to gain something if George leaves. I just wish he had retired last year and gone out on a high, The Right Hook was a cracking show, it's sad how things have turned out, I wish him well.

I'm glad my father doesn't have a radio show

constitutionus

if newstalks staff succeed in removing hook then the station deserves to lose the 20 thousand extra listeners he brought to that slot.

TBH the stations quickly becoming listenable to . ive long maintained modern media is in crisis this nonsense is just a symptom of it.

martingriff

Lady Chatterton wrote: »

Unfortunately, after today, I'm expecting George to announce his resignation before the week is out.

I'd say he is a broken man after hearing that 20 of his colleagues want him to leave. That level of rejection must be awfully painful. I'm beginning to think that yesterdays' apology has backfired spectacularly on him, he would have been better off if he had clarified his remarks, making it 100% clear that rape is never the victims' fault and that his original intention was merely to encourage people to look out for themselves and their friends on a night out. I would say 85% of what he said was just old fashioned common sense, the stuff that lots of parents would say to their daughters and sons most weekends before they head into town.

I'm deeply saddened at the level of bullying and abuse the man is being subjected to, how is this acceptable? Surely, we have reached a point where the bullying and the hatred being expressed is far worse than his clumsy comments?

Going back the petition to remove George, I have a feeling that there are quite a few Newstalk presenters who feel very resentful towards George Hook, Ivan Yates and Pat Kenny because of the deals they've managed to negotiate for themselves...and today has a lot to do with opportunism.

If you look back over the last few years, Ivan has left and returned to the station and other presenters have been moved out of their positions to accommodate him. George has also been facilitated, Moncrieff's programme has been shortened twice and Healy was shafted from Lunchtime to make way for High Noon.

If George is sacked or made resign, it means that instantly a prime time slot becomes available for someone else - Chris, Sarah, Shane??... Moncrieff's programme with probably be extended and Jonathan Healy will more than likely come back to provide holiday cover. So many presenters stand to gain something if George leaves. I just wish he had retired last year and gone out on a high, The Right Hook was a cracking show, it's sad how things have turned out, I wish him well.

This is what he was trying to do but with all that went on over the weekend I am not sure that would have been enough now if it had been another day and he could address it the next day or later on on another show I say it could have been done.

I also feel a bit uneasy with this letter that has been leaked of 20 people asking for him to be let go. Not that they feel this way they well might but how publicly it has been done as if they want to be seen as the good person. Those who feel bad for what he has said and said there bit in private I have more respect for.

He will leave I have no doubt and like you I believe he should have left when the Right Hook finished.

jooksavage

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I don't really get this at all.

Hooks side is that he made a mistake and said something that was wrong. I don't think that's your position at all.

Also to posters and people on Twitter, the more you say George was forced to apologise and doesn't mean it the more likely that he will be fired.
Management are monitoring social media to see how the apology is going down with the public. If it's not being believed by the public then they will have to take action.

Dude, it's not believed by his superfans on here who, by and large, are taking the stance of "he said nothing wrong to begin with" and "he doesn't mean the apology - he's just has to say it to keep his job"

That's pretty much the tone of his support on Twitter too. His most rabid advocates are making him look as bad as his critics.

[Deleted User]

DeanAustin wrote:

I'm pretty much on Hook's side in this but wouldn't condemn Donoghue.

I don't really get this at all.

Hooks side is that he made a mistake and said something that was wrong. I don't think that's your position at all.

Also to posters and people on Twitter, the more you say George was forced to apologise and doesn't mean it the more likely that he will be fired.
Management are monitoring social media to see how the apology is going down with the public. If it's not being believed by the public then they will have to take action.

martingriff

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Well I suggested it could be 'the straw that broke the camel's back' for Denis O'Brien. But only if he was already thinking seriously about pulling the plug...

If O'Brien was ever serious of closing down Newstalk I do not think so it would be a way.

I like George Hook when he was on the evening show (I especially like the Friday show they had when it was George, Coleman & McIntyre) as I work I have really heard any of the daytime show just bits here and there and was not overly happy with it. I do not believe Hook meant any harm he had something to say had probably it well thought out (talk about the case take a breather and then do the other bit about taking care(personal responsibility) but as often happens he forgets and just spews it out. Is it time for Hook to go I think so I think he should have went with the Right Hook was over.

Del.Monte

kevinkilbane wrote: »

Also, can anyone explain to me, what the Irish times has against george?
They have had articles up since Friday against his comments.
This morning, Fintan Otoole and Laura Slattery hammered him,

Laura said "Dalata distancing from Hook is progress again". She dislikes him from an 2010 event and obviously sticking the knife in.
I thought she was Business, personal finance,media and advertising, not opinion contributor

The Irish Times has become a horrible PC rag and I wouldn't line the dog's bed with it.

kevinkilbane

quintana76 wrote: »

You never heard about the IT's super liberal bias?

Ah yeah, but they seem to have it in for hook

Lady Chatterton

Unfortunately, after today, I'm expecting George to announce his resignation before the week is out.

I'd say he is a broken man after hearing that 20 of his colleagues want him to leave. That level of rejection must be awfully painful. I'm beginning to think that yesterdays' apology has backfired spectacularly on him, he would have been better off if he had clarified his remarks, making it 100% clear that rape is never the victims' fault and that his original intention was merely to encourage people to look out for themselves and their friends on a night out. I would say 85% of what he said was just old fashioned common sense, the stuff that lots of parents would say to their daughters and sons most weekends before they head into town.

I'm deeply saddened at the level of bullying and abuse the man is being subjected to, how is this acceptable? Surely, we have reached a point where the bullying and the hatred being expressed is far worse than his clumsy comments?

Going back the petition to remove George, I have a feeling that there are quite a few Newstalk presenters who feel very resentful towards George Hook, Ivan Yates and Pat Kenny because of the deals they've managed to negotiate for themselves...and today has a lot to do with opportunism.

If you look back over the last few years, Ivan has left and returned to the station and other presenters have been moved out of their positions to accommodate him. George has also been facilitated, Moncrieff's programme has been shortened twice and Healy was shafted from Lunchtime to make way for High Noon.

If George is sacked or made resign, it means that instantly a prime time slot becomes available for someone else - Chris, Sarah, Shane??... Moncrieff's programme with probably be extended and Jonathan Healy will more than likely come back to provide holiday cover. So many presenters stand to gain something if George leaves. I just wish he had retired last year and gone out on a high, The Right Hook was a cracking show, it's sad how things have turned out, I wish him well.

Faugheen

DeanAustin wrote: »

I'm pretty much on Hook's side in this but wouldn't condemn Donoghue.

He's always come across as a very idealistic individual bordering on naive. I think his public stance was him taking a stand against something he felt was morally wrong. I disagree with him but wouldn't condemn him for having an opinion.

If he said nothing in public and did it out of the glare of the public eye, he'd be called a snake in the grass. If he did nothing and ever offered an opinion on rape in the future he'd be pilloried for not speaking up now. If he waited a bit longer he'd be accused of waiting to see what way the wind was blowing. I believe he offered a genuine viewpoint and I'd admire him for having the courage of his convictions and take him at face value.

Some people on here are judging Donoghue's motives, which none of us actually know, by their own low standards.

I don't condemn his stance, just his actions.

It's his follow up tweet that irks me. Thanking the public for their messages and saying that he's not a 'hero'. It reeks of attention seeking, and lessens the effect of his original tweet.

quintana76

kevinkilbane wrote: »

Also, can anyone explain to me, what the Irish times has against george?
They have had articles up since Friday against his comments.
This morning, Fintan Otoole and Laura Slattery hammered him,

Laura said "Dalata distancing from Hook is progress again". She dislikes him from an 2010 event and obviously sticking the knife in.
I thought she was Business, personal finance,media and advertising, not opinion contributor

You never heard about the IT's super liberal bias?

DeanAustin

I'm pretty much on Hook's side in this but wouldn't condemn Donoghue.

He's always come across as a very idealistic individual bordering on naive. I think his public stance was him taking a stand against something he felt was morally wrong. I disagree with him but wouldn't condemn him for having an opinion.

If he said nothing in public and did it out of the glare of the public eye, he'd be called a snake in the grass. If he did nothing and ever offered an opinion on rape in the future he'd be pilloried for not speaking up now. If he waited a bit longer he'd be accused of waiting to see what way the wind was blowing. I believe he offered a genuine viewpoint and I'd admire him for having the courage of his convictions and take him at face value.

Some people on here are judging Donoghue's motives, which none of us actually know, by their own low standards.

kevinkilbane

Also, can anyone explain to me, what the Irish times has against george?
They have had articles up since Friday against his comments.
This morning, Fintan Otoole and Laura Slattery hammered him,

Laura said "Dalata distancing from Hook is progress again". She dislikes him from an 2010 event and obviously sticking the knife in.
I thought she was Business, personal finance,media and advertising, not opinion contributor

quintana76

hotmail.com wrote: »

One criticism of the media is that it does not criticise itself. Here's a situation where a fellow staff member from within a media organisation is publicly criticising another staff member.

That's good?

Very admirable indeed. He criticised him when he was weakened.
Didn't do it when Hook was in his pomp.

Always thought of him as a ballsless PC enabler.
I now have to add sneaky to my assessment.
NewsTalk are finished if they let him and his type dominate the station.

DickSwiveller

hotmail.com wrote: »

Offended?

No. Weary.

Faugheen

irishfeen wrote: »

.... or else they all agree with him but didn't have the balls to come out and publically put Hook in his place.

They might agree with him, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Chris was very, very quick to join the outrage at the first opportunity to stick the knife into a colleague and talk about how he's not a 'hero' once he's gotten all that attention.

For all we know you could be right, but I certainly wouldn't be able to trust a colleague who would be so quick to do something like that

They could agree with his opinion and disagree with his actions, just like I and many others do.

[Deleted User]

reg114 wrote: »

Because if a rape victim took personal responsibility she / he wouldnt be raped??? The crime of rape has nothing to do with taking responsibility ever, the fact you think it does illustrates your total misunderstanding of rape, responsibility and this thread. You probably think the earth is this flat too.

Nonsense. Rapes (and all physical assault) will always happen but we can all lessen the individual risk.
We don't live in utopia and have to take measures to mitigate opportunistic animals preying on us.

It's not the fault of the victim but is about not being an easy target

Obvious Otter

I wonder will this witch hunt end up with Hook leaving NT. Looks like the PC mob have won again. Hook didn't blame the victim.

Conservative

super_furry wrote: »

irishfeen wrote: »

.... or else they all agree with him but didn't have the balls to come out and publically put Hook in his place.

Indeed. Someone like Ciara Kelly who would usually be remarkably outspoken on social media about a situation like this, was conspicuously silent.

No, she waited til she got into studio with him in order to get maximum attention.

It seems Mary Coughlan one upped her though!

kevinkilbane

irishfeen wrote: »

I don't know why everyone in here is turning on Chris Donoghue, what Hook said was disgusting and a step too far.

What did the expect Donoghue to say? If he said anything different I would have been more worried.

Well Chris came out and said his opinion, no problem with that.
Did Ciara Kelly have a go at George? I listened to the health check podcast and they just did the usual, but without the stupid giggling.
I didnt read/hear anyone else saying anything on air.

super_furry

irishfeen wrote: »

.... or else they all agree with him but didn't have the balls to come out and publically put Hook in his place.

Indeed. Someone like Ciara Kelly who would usually be remarkably outspoken on social media about a situation like this, was conspicuously silent.

hotmail.com

Faugheen wrote:

I'd be very interested to know what the atmosphere towards him is in there. If he's happy to turn the knife on Hook then others would be just as wary, I reckon.

Faugheen wrote:

My opinion is that Hook went too far, but Donoghue was far too quick to jump on his back with a mob already calling for Hook's head.

Faugheen wrote:

He then followed up by thanking people for messages and so on. Clearly happy with the attention he got.

One criticism of the media is that it does not criticise itself. Here's a situation where a fellow staff member from within a media organisation is publicly criticising another staff member.

That's good?