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Second Captains

ballsymchugh

Thought I'd update the OP with links and stuff for anyone who stumbles across this.

The former Off the Ball hosts have partnered with The Irish Times to do a series of weekly podcasts. They go online each Tuesday and cover a variety of sports, with a number of contributors including Sid Lowe, Richie Sadlier, Gerry Thornley and Shane Horgan.

They can be found:
On The Irish Times' site: http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/second-captains
On Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com
On iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ie/podcast/second-captains-irish-times/id647893016?mt=2

Or if you prefer not to use iTunes for your podcasts, use this link in whatever app you use (Thanks to youcancallmeal): http://feeds.feedburner.com/secondcaptainsitcom

And here are their Twitter and Facebook accounts.

Cheers,
wnolan1992

so they're almost finished their gardening leave...

where will they end up?

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dulpit

Also, just realised we haven't had a PBESO in years, tis a shame...

dulpit

One thing that annoyed me recently, but then didn't, was their use of a guest who appeared everywhere. Cormac Mcanallen's brother was plugging his book on Sean O'Rourke, OTB, The Last Word and the Second Captains, all in the same day. I heard all of the SOR interview, snippets of the Last Word discussion and all of the Second Captains (which I heard last).

When I heard they were interviewing him I nearly didn't bother, having heard the same thing twice already, but it really showed Eoin's skill as interviewer, quite a different interview to the SOR one, they went into areas that the others hadn't. Was interesting enough, and a good insight into the different approach of Eoin McDevitt as an interviewer.

Ol' Donie

Raoul wrote: »

I would guess it is just done to not wanting to just have filler. No point having hour long shows for the sake of it.

What happened to doing shows about slightly out of the mainstream stuff? There was one about a rower or something then...have I missed some?

riemann

Even though I should know better, I still find Ken's stereotypically arrogant big headed dubs fan character really annoying!
He's absolutely nailed it.

(I haven't listened to today's episode, this is based on previous)

Ol' Donie

dulpit wrote: »

How far in is the Fairview? Otherwise I will be avoiding this episode..

Close enough to the end.

dulpit

How far in is the Fairview? Otherwise I will be avoiding this episode..

Dots1982

HelloMuddha wrote: »

Thought The Fairview today was hilarious, one of the highlights of The World Service so far.

I'll be honest as an All-Ireland preview it really didn't do it for me. Thought 25 minutes (guessing intro 10 minutes roughly, conclusion Fairview etc 5 minutes) was just to short and it really ends up being a conversation lacking major depth. GAA has moved on, and there's a lot to discuss around the final. Listening to the GAA Hour and they've had a decent discussion of the press nights in both counties, the ticket sales approaches by both counties and Gooch's testimonial by 36 minutes. I know I'm not comparing like with like, but I think the lads are probably spread a bit thin.

On a more general point, does anyone know why the shows are so short? I might sound ignorant but just wondering if anyone has any ideas re: production costs per minute for such a show. I'm sure there's industry standards.

Are you surprised? SC's GAA coverage needs a serious overhaul. I've given up counting the amount of stupid points Murph and Oisin raise.

Raoul

I would guess it is just done to not wanting to just have filler. No point having hour long shows for the sake of it.

dr.kenneth noisewater

Yeah the shows have defo got shorter recently with more players chairs which were supposed to be once a month. Maybe they're busy creating some other future content?

HelloMuddha

Thought The Fairview today was hilarious, one of the highlights of The World Service so far.

I'll be honest as an All-Ireland preview it really didn't do it for me. Thought 25 minutes (guessing intro 10 minutes roughly, conclusion Fairview etc 5 minutes) was just to short and it really ends up being a conversation lacking major depth. GAA has moved on, and there's a lot to discuss around the final. Listening to the GAA Hour and they've had a decent discussion of the press nights in both counties, the ticket sales approaches by both counties and Gooch's testimonial by 36 minutes. I know I'm not comparing like with like, but I think the lads are probably spread a bit thin.

On a more general point, does anyone know why the shows are so short? I might sound ignorant but just wondering if anyone has any ideas re: production costs per minute for such a show. I'm sure there's industry standards.

Running Balance

That fairview today was hilarious!!

dulpit

"And there's an All Ireland preview with Oisin on Wednesday..." *shudder*

lawred2

JuanJose wrote: »

lawred2 wrote: »

I want to hear more from Cian O Neill on football. Refreshingly eloquent. No cliches and actual insight. Pity that it took until the week of the final to hear from him.

They did have him on & in studio prior to the championship too. Not surprised that Kildare have picked themselves off the floor under his management.

Ah I've no idea how I missed that

JuanJose

lawred2 wrote: »

I want to hear more from Cian O Neill on football. Refreshingly eloquent. No cliches and actual insight. Pity that it took until the week of the final to hear from him.

They did have him on & in studio prior to the championship too. Not surprised that Kildare have picked themselves off the floor under his management.

Catmologen

weadick wrote: »

Got so sick of the cringy 'banter' on Newstalk between 'Killer' and 'the lads' after the last few Ireland games. Noone really comes close to Eoin and Ken when it comes the (mis)fortunes of the international team. I was getting by on just the one weekly free podcast up to now but just decided to stump up the fiver a month to get full access.

So far I have worked my way back through some of the old Players Chair ones with Quinn, Kerr and McCarthy. Are there any other old podcasts that might be worth listening back to even now?

The interview with Gavin Hennigan on Feb 14th was great.

riemann

Kingp35 wrote: »

Does anyone else skip all of US Murph?

You missed a good story today

tomwaits48

His Skype connection is always bollox aswell.very annoying .

Beersmith

The really frustrating thing with miguel is that he seems to always be paired with another journalist i actually like to hear. I don't know why they do this as its surplus to take to two people about the same subject. Just get rid if MD

corwill

Dots1982 wrote: »

The thing you've got to understand with Miguel and English journalism is that English football journalism is based around getting "scoops". I don't think Miguel is good into a microphone but he is good at breaking stories and it does seem he has contacts feeding him information. He broke Rooney going back to Everton in February which was a good story for him to get in fairness.

Well, he's podcast poison, unpleasant on Twitter, and his analysis, such as it is, articles are unctuous waffle. The day I'd miss him off SC would be a long time coming.

Ol' Donie

Dots1982 wrote: »

Very eloquent, not sure he provides that much insight for me. Alan Brogan on the Irish independent podcast provides a decent amount of insight into Dublin and Jim Gavin this week.

Must give that a listen. Thanks.

Dots1982

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Raoul wrote: »

How does he get on so many things??

Producers must think he's half Spanish and therefore an authority on footie and half-Irish and therefore an eloquent, poetic speaker of English.

As to how far he lives up to either of these stereotypes I'll leave it up to yourselves to judge...

The thing you've got to understand with Miguel and English journalism is that English football journalism is based around getting "scoops". I don't think Miguel is good into a microphone but he is good at breaking stories and it does seem he has contacts feeding him information. He broke Rooney going back to Everton in February which was a good story for him to get in fairness.

Dots1982

lawred2 wrote: »

I want to hear more from Cian O Neill on football. Refreshingly eloquent. No cliches and actual insight. Pity that it took until the week of the final to hear from him.

Very eloquent, not sure he provides that much insight for me. Alan Brogan on the Irish independent podcast provides a decent amount of insight into Dublin and Jim Gavin this week.

Ciaran_B

Kingp35 wrote: »

Does anyone else skip all of US Murph?

I've no interest in American sport but I always listen to him.

dastardly00

Kingp35 wrote: »

Does anyone else skip all of US Murph?

Remember, this is just a football game, no matter who wins or loses.

Ol' Donie

Kingp35 wrote: »

Does anyone else skip all of US Murph?

Never. It's my favourite slot on the show.

Kingp35

Does anyone else skip all of US Murph?

dulux99

weadick wrote: »

Got so sick of the cringy 'banter' on Newstalk between 'Killer' and 'the lads' after the last few Ireland games. Noone really comes close to Eoin and Ken when it comes the (mis)fortunes of the international team. I was getting by on just the one weekly free podcast up to now but just decided to stump up the fiver a month to get full access.

So far I have worked my way back through some of the old Players Chair ones with Quinn, Kerr and McCarthy. Are there any other old podcasts that might be worth listening back to even now?

I liked the players chair with Damien Duff. He seems like a sound chap

Arghus

I thought it was a noticably weak football show yesterday. Ken was allowed to ramble on for twenty whole minutes about De Boer story - which is an interesting story, but really not that important in the context of the wide world of football - no one apart from Palace fans, which there are fck all of in Ireland, is going to give a flying fck about all of it in a fortnight's time.

He really hyped it up - "the most stupid thing in the history of The Premier League" - almost it felt to justify talking about it at such great length. Ken is great and all, but from time to time he just becomes fixated on a subject and starts parsing it for deeper meaning and ends up like a dog chasing his tail. I gave a sigh of relief when they moved on to talking about Liverpool and, of course, the inevitable Mourinho conversation - based, as always, around something he said in an interview or press conference.

Then they spent fifteen minutes talking to Miguel Delaney about the De Boer sacking. Jesus Christ.

lawred2

corwill wrote: »

What surprises me is the seemingly high regard in which he's held by journos who I have time for, Lowe, Honigstein, Fanning come to mind.

He's a flute on Twitter, too, to cap it all.

I love that insult - always have

And Delaney is tailor made for it

corwill

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Producers must think he's half Spanish and therefore an authority on footie and half-Irish and therefore an eloquent, poetic speaker of English.

As to how far he lives up to either of these stereotypes I'll leave it up to yourselves to judge...

What surprises me is the seemingly high regard in which he's held by journos who I have time for, Lowe, Honigstein, Fanning come to mind.

He's a flute on Twitter, too, to cap it all.