The Nal wrote: » Still some Walter Mitty behaviour in this thread.
Wheeliebin30 wrote: » Floyd is the tactical genius but conor is the better boxer for landing shots when both are full of energy:)
The Nal wrote: » I suppose we're into the "define greatness" conversation regarding sport then. I'd always have to have longevity in there when looking at the top top guys.
Ultimate Seduction wrote: » Floyds game plan was to take a few clean punches off Conor ha good one. The same Floyd who made a career and millions by not getting hit. I've no doubt the plan was to let Conor blow his load in the early rounds, but McGregor boxed the ears off him for 3 rounds, and no way did Floyd plan on getting outboxed in round 8!
Pictures Of Lilly wrote: » No, that was Floyd's game plan. Although Conor landed more shots in the first round, Floyd landed a higher percentage of his shots... hence the better boxer! Who knows what might happen if Floyd went all out for the first round!
spix wrote: » Also needs to work on staying mentally positive when things start to not go his way... you can tell he gets negative easily, his confidence seems to quickly goes from 100 to 0.
Sweet Science wrote: Let it go man . The fight ended with Floyd unloading at will on a defenceless man . Time to move on .
weldoninhio wrote: And yet the PROFESSIONAL judges, who were sitting ringside, only gave him the first round. Out of interest, how many professional fights have you scored in a professional capacity??
Tigger wrote: One of the professional judges gave Conor the first three I thought
weldoninhio wrote: » And yet the PROFESSIONAL judges, who were sitting ringside, only gave him the first round. Out of interest, how many professional fights have you scored in a professional capacity??
noc1980 wrote: » I've seen boxing 'purists' claim Floyd won rds 2 & 3 because he didn't throw many shots while Conor was too busy. The excuses for an MMA guy's success in the ring on just a 10 week crash course in the sweet science are an enjoyable read. They are crushed that Floyd couldn't touch him until he gassed and to be fair could you blame them? Imagine Randy Couture needing James Toney to exhaust himself before even attempting to take him down? The best representative of one sport shouldn't need to spend any amount of time wearing down their rookie opponent before showcasing their technical superiority. The facts are Floyd couldn't deal with Conor's awkwardness and length until he became immobile and sorry Floyd apologists but eating 100+ shots isn't "carrying" your opponent.
walshb wrote: » As a boxing purist:P I am not ready to even argue against this......wtf! I'll move the goalsposts instead and say had it been Canelo in there Conor gets taken out in one rd!:)
spix wrote: » Rewatched the fight just now.. mcgregor had alot of good ideas but didn't work as effective as they could have like the stance switch left hook. It seems to me mcgregor often falls just short on his punches as he likes to stay as far away from his opponent as possible... but it worked against him alot in this fight. He often missed punches he would have landed if he would just commit a bit more to it. He's got a good chin so should commit more especially in boxing, in mma its understandable.
wonderfullife wrote: » The biggest thing that worked against Conor was Floyd not throwing punches until Conor started tiring. I genuinely believe Conor's timing on his counters and his reaction slips (when he's fresh) are elite level - and the 2 best punches he landed on Floyd were counters that came from slipping a punch. Even then, the glove size made a difference to his timing because that uppercut would have landed on the chin in UFC gloves (not the upper chest), likewise the counter left-hook he timed perfectly. I've said it before, but name a time Conor dropped an opponent standing in front of him? If you go down the list of people he has dropped, they were all either exploding towards him (Buchinger/Brimage/Aldo/Alvarez/Diaz) or circling away from him (Siver, Brandao, Poirier, Mendes, Diaz). The only times Conor has dropped an opponent just standing in front of him (& not throwing punches) was when he dropped Eddie and Nate but both times the lads were on wobbly feet after being dropped multiple times. When Floyd did throw, he gave Conor his best openings and even though they landed clean, he didn't land accurately enough partly due to glove size/weight. When all is said and done, you have to congratulate Floyd and his camp for treating Conor with respect and doing their homework. You've also got to say Floyd Sr's corner advice was spot on. He gets a lot of grief for being punch-drunk but his experience in the corner showed big time - they came up with a solid strategy to win the fight and executed it. The strategy Conor's team came up with was intriguing, a lot of planning went into it but in the end it was slightly one-dimensional because they couldn't adjust to Floyd's forward pressure.
weldoninhio wrote: » And yet the PROFESSIONAL judges, who were sitting ringside, only gave him the first round....
Outlaw Pete wrote: » All that proves is that they were putting a contingency plan in place just in case McGregor managed to outscore Floyd. Those two judges scorecards are a disgrace and if you can't see that then you must be blind.
spix wrote: » If the camp aren't putting serious effort into fixing that then maybe they really are being yes men like paulie claims.
wonderfullife wrote: » I think it's an amazing thing Conor is doing for his friends. He has given so many of them jobs and is bending over backwards to help them. But there has to be question marks over their involvement. There were no cheerleading sections for the Siver fight camp, the Mendes camp, the Aldo camp... as Conor has got richer he has been able to employ more and more of his pals but I'm not seeing the benefits of having them so closely involved in training sessions. What expertise does Gerry Byrne, Lee Dunphy, Derek Dunphy, Keith Joyce, etc bring when it comes to cardio, nutrition, striking, grappling? The answer is clearly zero yet they are all heavily involved in his training sessions, basically as moral support and encouragement. By all means, help his mates and stay loyal but I'm sure there's a hundred things he could employ them to do that they'd be good at beyond screaming encouragement for him to work harder. You'd have to question if the moral support is a good thing because he was (arguably) doing better without it. Conor is a fan of the Rocky movies and said himself he wasn't a fan of the dancing monkey gym it became in Rocky 4 with all the hangers-on.... but facing facts he has fallen into the same trap. He shouldn't and doesn't need encouragement to run farther, row faster, cycle longer. He should listen to his own advice and strip back the entire camp to experts only. John Kavanagh, Owen Roddy, Sergey Pikulskiy, the Irish Strength Institute etc. they're all expert level coaches with things of value to contribute. If you're not a black belt in BJJ, Judo or an elite level wrestler, you've no business being anywhere near his camp. If I was his Head Coach I'd be telling them all to clear off. The time to cheer Conor on is fight night, it's frankly embarrassing to be cheering him on taking an ice bath.
DuffleBag wrote: » Well in fairness he brought in Dillon Danis and Ido Portal as outside voices to improve his movement and BJJ. He and JK are on record as saying they didnt feel like they needed someone to come in and teach him how to throw a punch
