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M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

JupiterKid

Following on from the suggestion of a poster, this thread has been set up to discuss the need for widening the M7.

The section of the M7 IMO in immediate need (really a backlog need) for widening is the section from the Maudlins Interchange at Naas to the M9 interchange - basically the original 1983 Naas Bypass and half of the 1993 Newbridge Bypass. Is this likely to proceed in the near future?

Would the central median be wide enough for widening to D3M here? I'm pretty sure it is wide enough on the Newbridge bypass section but I'm not so sure in the case of the Naas Bypass.

Also, what bridges will need to be demolished and rebuilt? Or would it be more practical to drop the hard shoulder through the existing bridges?

What about the proposal a few years back to build a new junction at on the Naas Bypass at Osberstown? Will it still go ahead?

In the longer term, does anyone see a need to widen the M7 to the N7/M8 junction?

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_Kaiser_

Pablod wrote: »

****e is an understatement.... and it was back to normal muck going home this evening at rush-hour, solid from JN7 kill.
I started working at home on Fridays which made things a bit easier, but then everyone else had the same idea so Thursday evenings are the new Fridays and are just as bad..

Yea I work from home 1/2 days a week, and I'm lucky that I can start/finish later so by the time I leave the house/office, the worst of it has died off. I still think it's ridiculous that the main artery south is ONE road.
The N81 should be upgraded to full motorway in an ideal world with motorway-grade links between it and the M7 at key junctions.

Deleted User wrote: »

I did that, and the reduction in commuting costs took a lot of the pain out of the pay cut.
plus getting several hours back each week.

Looking at this option myself but the problem is there's no jobs in IT where I am, and my longer term goal of relocating further south is similarly hampered by the smaller market for what I do.

[Deleted User]

sea12 wrote: »

Well after the lovely summer break we are back to the ****e again on this road. This morning was horrendous. The changes they made to the slip roads onto the m50 is really affecting it now. Think it's time for a pay cut and a new job down the country

I did that, and the reduction in commuting costs took a lot of the pain out of the pay cut.
plus getting several hours back each week.

Pablod

sea12 wrote: »

Well after the lovely summer break we are back to the ****e again on this road. This morning was horrendous. The changes they made to the slip roads onto the m50 is really affecting it now. Think it's time for a pay cut and a new job down the country

****e is an understatement.... and it was back to normal muck going home this evening at rush-hour, solid from JN7 kill.
I started working at home on Fridays which made things a bit easier, but then everyone else had the same idea so Thursday evenings are the new Fridays and are just as bad..

sea12

Well after the lovely summer break we are back to the ****e again on this road. This morning was horrendous. The changes they made to the slip roads onto the m50 is really affecting it now. Think it's time for a pay cut and a new job down the country

davidm20

Sallins By-Pass

Seem to have started a little work in the last week.

The area around Link 1 is been boarded off

_Kaiser_

Deedsie wrote: »

You moved away from close to the place to work to South of Sallins? You may be paying less than half in rent but look at what you have to put up with day to day. Madness

An hour on the motorway door-to-door? It used to take me longer than that to get from the City to say Blanch on a bus some days.

Besides, there's a lot more than just being close to the office. Sure, it'd be nice.. but it's not worth paying over double for the privilege - I used to live in the area, but rents around here (D18) for a 2 bed apartment are now €1600-1700 a month (excluding the obvious AirBnB lets @ €800 a week!!)

That's insanity.. even adding in diesel and a service/set of tyres every so often I'm still saving money AND I live in a similarly nice area as I did before.. it's quiet, settled, spacious.. and less than half price.

_Kaiser_

CeilingFly wrote: »

Not from Sallins - that's now in short hop zone.

And if you think rail fares are expensive here - try the UK. Chelmsford to london annual ticket is almost £5,000!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

And no "Taxsaver" option there either.

Taking myself as an example.. I work in one of the aforementioned business parks but live futher south than Sallins.

I wouldn't be giving up the car, and paying for a train and bus/luas on top of it, to add maybe an extra 90 minutes each way to my day would make no sense whatsoever. Sure, if I worked in the city centre area maybe but as I said, there's thousands of people on the M7 everyday who don't either.

Instead I start/finish later and work from home 1/2 days a week which helps a lot. As I write this I haven't left yet but when I do it'll only take about an hour door to door.

Move closer then I hear you say.. Sure, except I pay less than half what I would need to cough up in rent for a similar place, and even though I'm a Dub myself, I've no reason to live there anymore except for work which, being IT, is still mainly centred around the capital.

But if there was a P&R service like I described at a price that was attractive I'd definitely consider it

CeilingFly

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Rail fares are ridiculously expensive and not everyone works in An Lar, or will be giving up their car.

Not from Sallins - that's now in short hop zone.

And if you think rail fares are expensive here - try the UK. Chelmsford to london annual ticket is almost £5,000!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

And no "Taxsaver" option there either.

_Kaiser_

marno21 wrote: »

The N7 approaching the Red Cow and the M50 are both car parks at peak times. Usage of the under utilised rail line beside the N7 will have to increase; because there's simply nowhere for this traffic to go

Rail fares are ridiculously expensive and not everyone works in An Lar, or will be giving up their car.

If you work in one of the business parks in Blanch, Sandyford, Cherrywood etc getting dumped out at Hueston only to then have to trek halfway out again (more cost) isn't much use.

As I've said before, build massive P&R interchanges at the M50 intersecting the N7 (and N4, N3) with shuttle bus/tram/whatever services between them parallel to the M50 and feeder services then at the endpoints to the above mentioned business parks for an all-included fare and you might be on to something.

I'll use the Cork P&R service as an example.. €5 return per car (not per passenger!), 15 minute frequency and direct into the city/where people need to go. Fantastic and should be expanded to Sundays - and places like Dublin - IMO (and I say this as someone who has given up on public transport for the most part because of the costs, time-wasted taking indirect routes etc).

Middle Man

spacetweek wrote: »

It's usually only Asia and the Middle East that undertake road upgrades at that level!

I'm not saying that we should do likewise, but what I am saying is that Ireland is not exactly ambitious when it comes to infrastructure. If we want to be considered a modern country, we need to get on with the major rail projects (+ M20/N24/M4 road projects) and cut the 'Father Ted' style transport policy that we currently have.

spacetweek

It's usually only Asia and the Middle East that undertake road upgrades at that level!

Middle Man

I really can't get over the big deal that Irish people make out of adding 2 lanes to a motorway - Ireland seriously needs its ass kicked. This is my idea of what a big motorway upgrade is...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=507829&page=4

However, if we got the DART Inter-connector and Metro North built, Ireland might be worthy of respect!

L1011

pad199207 wrote: »

The real winners from this upgrade will be Naas and Sallins residents. The new Junction at Kerry Group will take huge pressure of the town centres

And anyone from the north of the county who has to suffer the indignity of doing business in Naas because the council pretends we don't exist (except to cash the - massive - rates and LPT contributions).

Driving to Naas for 9am during school term can take well over an hour from any of Maynooth/Celbridge/Leixlip/Kilcock

pad199207

The real winners from this upgrade will be Naas and Sallins residents. The new Junction at Kerry Group will take huge pressure of the town centres

CeilingFly

marno21 wrote: »

The widened M7 will be 120km/h same as the M1 widened section.

Waste of time. The N7 approaching the Red Cow and the M50 are both car parks at peak times. Usage of the under utilised rail line beside the N7 will have to increase; because there's simply nowhere for this traffic to go

Not everyone works in Dublin.

I agree it will make no difference to inbound traffic from Johnstown to M50 - they don't claim this.

It will make a huge difference to the thousands of cars taking junction 10 & 11. It will also make it easy to spin off into Sallins for the train.

For the Dublin commuters the difference will be on the home journey with far better flow through jct 9-11 with knock on effect on flow prior to jct 9.

Chris_5339762

I'm really intrigued to see how this will go. Will it get much worse? Or will an (enforced, hopefully) 60kmh limit for the whole thing actually smooth out flow like a variable speed limit will? Will it stop or reduce shockwave jams?

roadmaster

i would say the announcement is not that far away as the contractor is putting there site team together as we speak

pad199207

Tyson Fury wrote: »

It really needs to be 4 lanes until the M9 instead of 3, car use will only increase into the future.

I completely agree. An extra lane in each direction will help, but won't fix the problem. They could at least have a fourth auxiliary lane between Junction 9 and Junction 11.

Anyways once these works start this month we are in for one hell of a horrible time for the next 18 or so months.

marno21

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Plenty of places for the traffic to go, 2 lanes north on m50 2 lanes south on M50 and 2 lanes into the city.
Having 3 lanes for 3 motorways (M7 M8 M9) will always continue to cause congestion.

The M50 itself is overcapacity and has no room for expansion. There is simply no scope for traffic growth along the N7 corridor

Mantis Toboggan

marno21 wrote: »

The widened M7 will be 120km/h same as the M1 widened section.

Waste of time. The N7 approaching the Red Cow and the M50 are both car parks at peak times. Usage of the under utilised rail line beside the N7 will have to increase; because there's simply nowhere for this traffic to go

Plenty of places for the traffic to go, 2 lanes north on m50 2 lanes south on M50 and 2 lanes into the city.
Having 3 lanes for 3 motorways (M7 M8 M9) will always continue to cause congestion.

marno21

The widened M7 will be 120km/h same as the M1 widened section.

Tyson Fury wrote: »

It really needs to be 4 lanes until the M9 instead of 3, car use will only increase into the future.

Waste of time. The N7 approaching the Red Cow and the M50 are both car parks at peak times. Usage of the under utilised rail line beside the N7 will have to increase; because there's simply nowhere for this traffic to go

Middle Man

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Practical question: when finished will this new section of motorway be reduced to 100km/h to junction 11? like the M50

The M1 (Airport to Lissenhall) reverted to 120kph after it was widened to 6 lanes.

Mantis Toboggan

It really needs to be 4 lanes until the M9 instead of 3, car use will only increase into the future.

OldMrBrennan83

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GhostyMcGhost

Practical question: when finished will this new section of motorway be reduced to 100km/h to junction 11? like the M50

road_high

They have the shells of temp speed limit signs up. I assume for the roadworks.

marno21

Tender should be awarded here if September start remains correct within the next week or two.

road_high

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Also 18 months to complete a totally offline new build is pushing it, 18 months to complete an online widening of one of the countries busiest roads is ridiculous. Add 3 - 6 months to that.

And they've already wasted 6 of those months fannying about. Stroke of genius to start the roadworks in September just as schools etc head back (not saying there's ever a good time, but surely during the summer with longer days and better weather would help).

Chris_5339762

Also 18 months to complete a totally offline new build is pushing it, 18 months to complete an online widening of one of the countries busiest roads is ridiculous. Add 3 - 6 months to that.

marno21

MICKEYG wrote: »

I was hoping this would say 9 and 11

It should be 9 and 11, typo