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Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

cros13

So... Hyundai IONIQ details are stating to leak out.

28kWh LG Chem NCM pack (Though I've been told that this is actually a 30kWh pack but Hyundai are being conservative about depth of discharge)

Expected EPA range of ~170km, just a few km shy of the 30kWh Leaf.

Looks well equipped and pricing might be below the Leaf. Had hoped for more range though.

Rapid Charging will be CCS in Europe and CHAdeMO in Asia.
A test unit was spotted charging via CCS at a FastNed station back in November.

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KCross

cros13 wrote: »

Randle's got the rapid at subsidised rate from Nissan, with the contract allowing access for any Nissan customer (though in practice most allow other EVs to charge as well).
An issue came up about 2 years ago where Randle's got tired of this whole "EV malarkey" and decided they wanted to limit access to the only two rapids in Kerry (Randle's Killarney & Tralee) to only their own customers, some reports have them demanding money, some just told they couldn't charge, one report even had them threatening calling the guards on one poor Leaf owner passing through.
Nissan Ireland smacked them down fairly quickly, then there were issues getting access for maintenance.

So, whats the state of play with the Killarney one now? Is it usable by people passing through(Chademo only) or are they still kicking off about it?

Looking at the eCars map... Kerry is a disaster. One Chademo and thats it! Dingle and Kenmare (and maybe Tarbert for the ferry) should have triple heat units. World class network eh!

Falcon L

KCross wrote: »

So, whats the state of play with the Killarney one now? Is it usable by people passing through(Chademo only) or are they still kicking off about it?

Looking at the eCars map... Kerry is a disaster. One Chademo and thats it! Dingle and Kenmare (and maybe Tarbert for the ferry) should have triple heat units. World class network eh!

Clearly the Healy-Raes have no interest in EVs.

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

So, whats the state of play with the Killarney one now? Is it usable by people passing through(Chademo only) or are they still kicking off about it?

Looking at the eCars map... Kerry is a disaster. One Chademo and thats it! Dingle and Kenmare (and maybe Tarbert for the ferry) should have triple heat units. World class network eh!

Where did you get that idea?!

With the possible exception of the SCP network, our network is sparse and unreliable. The *only* upside is that it is free, and that it is joined up (ie one card access for all north and south). Other than that, it is pathetic IMo.

ELM327

Falcon L wrote: »

Clearly the Healy-Raes have no interest in EVs.

God above controls the transport sector and he uses fossil fuels.

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

Where did you get that idea?!

With the possible exception of the SCP network, our network is sparse and unreliable. The *only* upside is that it is free, and that it is joined up (ie one card access for all north and south). Other than that, it is pathetic IMo.

It was a dig at eCars. They tell us its a world class network.

cros13

KCross wrote: »

So, whats the state of play with the Killarney one now? Is it usable by people passing through(Chademo only) or are they still kicking off about it?

They had the Tralee rapid removed and AFAIK gave up on blocking access to Killarney.

DrPhilG

KCross wrote: »

It was a dig at eCars. They tell us its a world class network.

Sadly many EV drivers agree!

Casati

cros13 wrote: »

They had the Tralee rapid removed and AFAIK gave up on blocking access to Killarney.

The unit in Killarney generally looks free and isn't used for general parking but from talking to somebody there I wouldn't be using Randles electricity unless you had a Nissan.

liamog

I've always been somewhat confused by the reports of the Portlaoise charge point running so fast.

From the spec sheets the Efacec chargers are rated as

DC Output -
Voltage 50 Vdc to 500 Vdc
Current 0 to 120 A

To my mind we should have been maxing out at 60kW. I hooked up my OBDII when charging at Blanch. We were pulling 400Vdc and 125A to give us the 50kW.

I must do a run down there to spy on the charger.

ELM327

liamog wrote: »

I've always been somewhat confused by the reports of the Portlaoise charge point running so fast.

From the spec sheets the Efacec chargers are rated as

DC Output -
Voltage 50 Vdc to 500 Vdc
Current 0 to 120 A

To my mind we should have been maxing out at 60kW. I hooked up my OBDII when charging at Blanch. We were pulling 400Vdc and 125A to give us the 50kW.

I must do a run down there to spy on the charger.

I know that the max speed of the Chademo protocol currently in use is 62.5 kW, however don't know what the max of CCS is currently (100kW perhaps?)
I think it's a software bug allowing the CCS plug to draw all available power on (some of?) the efacec units as I saw Ioniqs able to pull north of 65kW at Naas and at Midway. When the software was written and the units installed they probably didn't have a CCS car to test with, and certainly not one capable of pulling >50kW.

From memory I have not seen higher than 400V DC on any charger in Ireland. However, the efacec units don't seem to report (to me anyway) the volts and amps. It only shows the instantaneous kW being delivered and also the total kWh delivered for the session. The DBT units show more information.

grogi

ELM327 wrote: »

I think it's a software bug allowing the CCS plug to draw all available power on (some of?) the efacec units as I saw Ioniqs able to pull north of 65kW at Naas and at Midway. When the software was written and the units installed they probably didn't have a CCS car to test with, and certainly not one capable of pulling >50kW.

But don't you think that a receiver simulator was available? With regulated receiving power etc.?

[Deleted User]

Kia have installed some 100 Kw ChaDeMo chargers, so I don't think it's limited to just 62 Kw.

ELM327

grogi wrote: »

But don't you think that a receiver simulator was available? With regulated receiving power etc.?

Perhaps it was, but it must have been faulty as the chargers delivering over 50kW is outside the rated delivery.

Deleted User wrote: »

Kia have installed some 100 Kw ChaDeMo chargers, so I don't think it's limited to just 62 Kw.

The chademo protocol is limited to 62.5kW in the chademo 1 spec sheet. I have provided you with this information already on another thread.

I understand there are some 100kW chargers being installed by kia but I do not know under what protocol these fall. Are they higher voltage DC? Higher amperage? 500volts at 125 amps is the max of the Chademo 1.0 protocol, giving a max output of 62.5 kW.

grogi

ELM327 wrote: »

Perhaps it was, but it must have been faulty as the chargers delivering over 50kW is outside the rated delivery.

CCS is not limited to 50 kW.

ELM327

grogi wrote: »

CCS is not limited to 50 kW.

No but the charger is.
Or is supposed to be.

The charger is a 50kW DC charger and is only rated to deliver 50kW max

liamog

Most of the spec sheets report the power output at 400V.
Could the Portlaoise charger be running at 500V which would give us 500x125 for 62.5kW?

[Deleted User]

ELM327 wrote: »

Perhaps it was, but it must have been faulty as the chargers delivering over 50kW is outside the rated delivery.

The chademo protocol is limited to 62.5kW in the chademo 1 spec sheet. I have provided you with this information already on another thread.

I understand there are some 100kW chargers being installed by kia but I do not know under what protocol these fall. Are they higher voltage DC? Higher amperage? 500volts at 125 amps is the max of the Chademo 1.0 protocol, giving a max output of 62.5 kW.

They're obviously ChaDeMo 1 since ChaDeMo II isn't available yet.

I do not know at what voltage the chargers support.

BoatMad

ELM327 wrote: »

I know that the max speed of the Chademo protocol currently in use is 62.5 kW, however don't know what the max of CCS is currently (100kW perhaps?)
I think it's a software bug allowing the CCS plug to draw all available power on (some of?) the efacec units as I saw Ioniqs able to pull north of 65kW at Naas and at Midway. When the software was written and the units installed they probably didn't have a CCS car to test with, and certainly not one capable of pulling >50kW.

From memory I have not seen higher than 400V DC on any charger in Ireland. However, the efacec units don't seem to report (to me anyway) the volts and amps. It only shows the instantaneous kW being delivered and also the total kWh delivered for the session. The DBT units show more information.

look down near the bottom of the EFacec units you will see a current power meter, divide that number by 400 to get amps

ELM327

BoatMad wrote: »

look down near the bottom of the EFacec units you will see a current power meter, divide that number by 400 to get amps

But it's not exact. You could be drawing well below 400V due to low SOC.
DBT units show the volts and amps.

liamog

I was using Torque to pull the info from the BMS.

FpV2CwN.png?1

I'll do the same at Portlaoise sometime.

ELM327

Interesting info to have, that shows it is taking 0.6a over the 125a at a higher SOC than I would have expected. The voltage rises as the battery charges so I would theorize based on the above that if you are telling me you charged at >62.5kW earlier in the charge that it was the amperage that changed not the volts.

[Deleted User]

The voltage rises as the charger rises it to keep above the voltage of the battery. The voltage differential between the pack and the charger is what that charger uses to control the current. The higher the voltage differential the higher the current.

liamog

That session was at Blanchardstown so was running at ~48kW for most of the time.

thelikelylad

66.58kW a few weeks back at Portlaoise.

ELM327

thelikelylad wrote: »

66.58kW a few weeks back at Portlaoise.

Interesting as - I think - that display shows you are taking 96% of the available power. Wonder what would have happened if a Zoe tried to charge on AC?

cros13

ELM327 wrote: »

Interesting as - I think - that display shows you are taking 96% of the available power. Wonder what would have happened if a Zoe tried to charge on AC?

The Zoe would get at least 12kW, at the cost of the CCS

unkel

I got 68kW at Midway iirc (posted it here a few pages back)

I haven't even seen it hit 50kW at any of the other efacec chargers. But I think mad lad got it at other chargers too? Makes a nice difference. 20%-90% in less than 20 minutes

[Deleted User]

I got 23-90% in 25 mins in the test Ioniq, yes I saw 68 Kw for a while, it made a big difference compared to a 24 Kwh Leaf, night and day really.

You can live much easier with a limited range EV with much faster charging. But with twice the range you have much more freedom from the public charging network.

peposhi

At Midway FCP the ioniq I tested back in Feb wa able to pull 26kw in just 26 min. That was more than the entire battery of my all Leaf... You can count the speed...

[Deleted User]

peposhi wrote: »

At Midway FCP the ioniq I tested back in Feb wa able to pull 26kw in just 26 min. That was more than the entire battery of my all Leaf... You can count the speed...

Did you get a 30 Kwh leaf after or still got the 24 Kwh ? think I remember you talking about it at least.