Gamebred wrote: » ...our opinions are worth nothing to them considering hes had one ufc loss and a loss against the best ever arguably in another sport so we might sound harsh...
thewheel2.0 wrote: » Shelling up in MMA is less useful cause the guard is smaller and there are other weapons the opponent can use.
ardinn wrote: » How do people think conors hands would have improved now after that. How dangerous will he have become with 6-7 odd months just handwork.
Gamebred wrote: » I suppose its a case of his game got him this far so they dont seem concerned, again our opinions are worth nothing to them considering hes had one ufc loss and a loss against the best ever arguably in another sport so we might sound harsh but your right wonder Lee Woodley or Tony will be taking note of all this and will shell up for 7 or 8 mins till they know he will tire.
Sofiztikated wrote: » Someone mentioned it earlier, but I just saw that "Conor was homeless, and near deaths door until Dee took him in" craic. Anyone know a decent optician? Think I rolled my eyes a bit too hard.
wonderfullife wrote: » In a nutshell what happened at the end of round 2? It looked like Conor started to gas but what triggered it? Well, Nate did something extremely intelligent. He stopped throwing punches because he was getting countered at will, he put his hands up in a high shell and walked Conor down - forcing him to circle along the fence - which is precisely what Floyd did from the end of round 3 onwards, so it certainly looks to me like it's his opponents forward pressure that is causing him issues. I can't remember who made the point but one thing to bear in mind is Conor has freakishly long arms for his height. Part of the reason he excels at distance is he has great timing to catch opponents on the full extension of his punches. He caught Mendes, Siver, Brandao at near-perfect timing through his shot. When guys like Floyd/Nate are walking him down & digging their heads into his chest, he doesn't have the mechanics to deliver short concussive punches because there's no forward momentum from his opponent, whereas when someone explodes at him like Aldo and Eddie, their momentum combined with Conor's accuracy is what hurts them. That's why I think he needs countless rounds of practice with guys pressuring him in that manner. I don't mean to sound harsh but we've now had 3 fights (Nate 1&2, Floyd) where all the guy had to do is shell up and walk Conor down and the problem hasn't been addressed. How much evidence do they need before the "Learn" part kicks in? In truth the book should have been called "Fight and Learn" because learning should never be predicated on losing - especially in combat sports where you can make dozens of mistakes and still win with one shot. I guarantee it's going to be trouble if they don't find solutions to this problem. Khabib and Ferguson's coaches are going to spend the whole camp drilling them to shell up and walk Conor down - and the last thing Conor needs is to be on his back with either of those 2 on top of him. Good luck getting Khabib off you.
Gamebred wrote: » end of round 2 at 202 v Nate he was winning so easy yet just changed in an instant its very weird.
Ultimate Seduction wrote: » Conor said if the fight did MayPac numbers ( 4.6m?) That he'd get 100m. This did 6.5 so how much will make, ??
.ak wrote: » All valid points but I don't think you're giving enough credit to Floyd. A lot of what Conor did and did not do was down to his opponent. At times I felt he wasn't following up with combos because he felt he had to be careful not to get suckered into a trap, which Floyd was trying to set all night. Look back to the Alvarez fight if you want an idea if McGregor can follow up or capitalize on a strike... In the first round he was very calm and measured, but in the second he absolutely punished Eddie whenever anything landed, he was relentless there. The difference? The opponent.
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spix wrote: » Definitely some self doubt going on you can see it in his face as things start going south. He turns into a completely different fighter when that happens. You could see it watching so obviously floyd does right in front of him. I honestly think Conor could have done even better in that fight. He needs more varied hand positioning to throw better punches. He only had 2 positions in that fight, one was his guard up which he's obviously very uncomfortable with. If you look at how his hands were positioned in older fights like the one against ivan buchinger it was much different letting him get off different types of punches, and his ko in that was a similar slip like the one he done several times against floyd but a left counter instead of uppercut, he should have mixed things up a bit which would have kept floyd off him longer. He only had 1 'money shot' option but what happens if it doesn't get the job done? Also needs to follow up on punches a few times, pretty much 100% of the time after he lands a good shot, he does nothing, doesn't capitalize on it to throw something else immediately after whilst his opponent might be a bit dazed. His footwork seemed a bit off too at some points very clumsy looking. There was one point he showed some good backwards movement which made floyd freeze for a second, so he has it in him, I think he just crumbles mentally which makes his confidence and skill reduce greatly.
Whelo79 wrote: » Is it possible that his Mystic Mac predictions are coming back to bite him in the ass? If a fight goes past whatever stage he has predicted it to end, he suffers a cardio dump brought on from self doubt? Diaz 1 did he predicted one round I believe. Mayweather he predicted inside 2 when it changed to 8oz gloves.
Sofiztikated wrote: » Listener to Paulie (i know)on Ariels show the other day, but he made a point that when someone puts pressure on Conor, and things aren't going the way he wants, he seems to flag very quickly and look for a way out. Could it be self doubt doing the damage?
Gamebred wrote: » Well he cant correct his rowing technique.... he is most likely part of the yes man clique around Conor that are afraid to given honest appraisals of stuff like that inc fitness, also being a cardio expert is all well and good cycling ect but combat cardio is different and way more complexed than sticking numbers in on the bike.
Gamebred wrote: » He wouldnt be a dual ufc champ with bum cardio I think we who are saying its an issue are being somewhat picky and maybe asking for too much from him, as a fan I wish he would could keep a similar pace up for a full fight it would be mind boggling to watch that for 5 rounds, end of round 2 at 202 v Nate he was winning so easy yet just changed in an instant its very weird.
CatFromHue wrote: » Looks like Helwani didn't get paid for his interview with McGregor at the "An Experience with...." event he did in Jan. They said they went bankrupt. I think a lot of people flagged in here that that company was a bit dodgy at the time.
wonderfullife wrote: Very surprised both Conor and Ariel got involved with these people though. Seriously dodgy crowd. Funded by "backers" from Greece and the owner has a bankruptcy order against him and has cancelled the last 3 shows he tried to put on.
Eyes Down Field wrote: » He should be able to change his training and work on stamina and endurance over time. He wasn't going able to correct this problem in a 6 week training camp
Lukker- wrote: » I think it's all getting overblown. He couldn't last a 12 round boxing fight, so what? Amateurs take a few years to get 12 round fit. Boxing pundits like Max Kellerman are shocked he had the fitness for 10. He gassed in the end of round 2 and whole of round 3 versus Diaz...again, so what? Diaz gassed for the 4th round and took it off too. He's shown the recovery can be there. That will only get better. His cardio ain't so bad for MMA. He's trained for a 25 min fight, what 5 times?
