TherapyBoy wrote: » The simplest answer to this question is Floyd. Although he hadn't really "worked Conor over" at that stage I'm sure he was doing something that was causing Conor to expend more energy than in his sparring sessions. Add in the lights, stage, event etc
spix wrote: » He does have an endurance issue, I suspect the majority of it is genetics. It could probably be improved with the proper training, whether or not he's currently doing the best possible right now is unknown.
Gamebred wrote: » Your original prediction of rd 9 was correct Wonder fair play he done well took legit rounds of the goat, what was the reaction on here?
Ush1 wrote: » I've always echoed this, I think he put on too much muscle.
Lukker- wrote: » Extra muscle on the leg is the best thing you can do to support the knee post ACL, the rest of his body looks naturally proportioned to me
Gintonious wrote: » He has deffo put on muscle, when he weighed in for the boxing bough, he looked seriously gaunt, and he was only a pound or so lighter than he was last November, No chance he makes 145 now, if he tried he could damage himself. As for the cardio, I genuinely think its his energy management over lack of cardio, he was going at it hell for leather without pacing himself much, thats bound to blow out the fittest of the fittest.
H8GHOTI wrote: » The reason he lost this fight comes down to one thing - his rowing technique!
Eyes Down Field wrote: » It's mad that a young guy who looks is tremendous physical shape, has such pathetic stamina. After 2 rounds Conor was breathing heavily, and by round 5 he was visibley exhausted. Could there be some underlying medical issue that he has? I'm not fitness expert but it's hard to comprehend his problem is purely down to training methods
wonderfullife wrote: » 1. You say he was running on fumes by Round 6 but his output actually increased after round 6. He threw 108 punches combined in rounds 7 & 8 compared to 97 punches in rounds 5 & 6. It's round 9 IMO when he really started to pay the price for earlier efforts.2. Simple really. He was probably hitting his sparring partners more!! It's far more tiring to be constantly missing punches and Conor only landed 23% of his punches against Floyd. In sparring he was probably hitting Artem, Tiernan Bradley, Dashon Johnson far more than that, so he would have been able to see the rounds out better. That raises the question on choice of sparring partners. Funnily enough, even though he's a 135lb southpaw, they could have done worse than accept Lomachenko's offer to spar because Conor would have got used to missing with 80% of his shots and trying to find comfort in missing so much.3. Definitely not this. He rose to the occasion as always. I think the most important analysis here is what Conor himself said - he felt it was too easy after 3 rounds and got over-excited at how easy it was. Floyd was barely throwing a punch in return and Conor coasted to a 3-0 lead. The statistics back that up too: He was pacing himself well in rounds 1, 2, 3. He threw: 34 - Round 1 42 - Round 2 39 - Round 3 He got over-excited at winning those rounds so easily, then did this: 65 - Round 4 51 - Round 5 It was a bad pacing issue as opposed to bad base cardio. It's very difficult to go fro a steady 38 punches a round to suddenly throwing 60+ rounds and not have it affect you. I'd also question the advice he was getting from the corner. I was impressed when John told him not to throw when Floyd was shelling up but I think that advice came too late. By round 3 the corner team were laughing at how easy it was and I honestly think they lost perspective by not recognizing that Floyd was coasting. I would have preferred Roddy to get hold of Conor and advise him to take a round off. If you're up 3-0 and it's clear you're not going to KO him, then you should be focusing on going the distance and trying to sneak a few later rounds on the scorecards. Hindsight is 20-20 but it would have been great advice for Conor to take it handy in rounds 4, 5, 6 after he built the lead. In that respect it was a learning experience for sure. The other side of all that - by round 7 Floyd had barely thrown over 100 punches while Conor was closing in on 300, so Conor was always going to *look* extremely gassed in comparison to Floyd, especially carrying over a stone more weight. If you put someone who just ran for the bus beside someone who was chilling at the bus stop, they'll look more gassed :cool:
walshb wrote: » You are way over-exaggerating here. Remember, there are career boxers who suffer with their cardio, Look at Andy Lee and George Groves. Bot "super fit," but for boxing their fitness "can" let them down depending on the fight. I have seen Lee blowing heavy after a few rds in the ring. Groves too, and there are other examples through history. Conor is/was a part time boxing trainer for this fight. Nothing more. Brief few months dedication to boxing training, and we don't even know exactly how effective his training was.
Boom_Bap wrote: » There is actually a good explanation for this, I can't remember the medical terms but it boils down to people with different type of muscle composition. ....I think.
beans wrote: » Fast-twitch / slow-twitch?
Pussyhands wrote: » Conors nearing the end of his fighting career. Don't see him adopting any serious changes to training etc now.
Boom_Bap wrote: » There is actually a good explanation for this, I can't remember the medical terms but it boils down to people with different type of muscle composition. There are generally 2 types, 1 is someone with endurance due to how the muscles are, the other is explosive. So marathon runners would be the former, shot putters the latter. McGregor is the latter also, he is explosive but doesn't have the endurance. The muscle fibers can be trained to an extend to handle more endurance, but will have an upper limit, or taper off. ....I think.
darced wrote: » Kavanagh gave him the best piece of advice in the fight, he told him to only throw when Floyd threw. Conor went straight out and started unloading on Floyds arms at the start of the round.
LollipopJimmy wrote: » Heard that and then he runs out and starts punching the Guard.
Subcomandante Marcos wrote: » If he's going to keep training with Dalby and he's going to keep using cycling for cardio then auld Julian needs to start bringing him on fasted 60km rides and group spin of 200km plus with the odd day of 45 minute interval rides.
spix wrote: » Uppercut was powerful too.
