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Eir rural FTTH thread

rob808

I made this thread for people on eir rural blue line FTTH please keep here and don't post in Eircom FTTH 66 towns 1 Gb thread about rural FTTH rollout.

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blueser

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Why not start one if you think it would work for you?

I don't think it would work around here, given the "ho hum" type responses to the videos when I've mentioned them. Wishful thinking on my part. Ah well; roll on autumn next year (supposedly).

ItHurtsWhenIP

blueser wrote: »

Anyone seen those B4RN videos on youtube? It's a rural broadband scheme, in the north of England. Run by local groups, not BT, Virgin, Talk Talk or whoever. Immense speeds (700mb and higher). Why can't we do schemes like that over here? It's not like the rural north of England is awash with cash, but they seem to manage it.

I met Barry Forde (who started B4RN) a few years ago and I was really impressed with his drive and passion for the scheme. Other than some initial funding what it needed was the community as a whole to come together to deliver it - especially the farmers on whose land the fibre is run through. The farmers were given concessions for just having it on their land.

B4RN give full 1Gbps, symmetrical, PTP connections for £30pm! :eek: None of that PON-muck that Open eir and Siro are rolling out.

I carried out some initial soundings in my extremely rural part of North Tipperary to see if there would be any similar interest here. I got a fair amount of positive feedback, but there were some significant land owners who point blank refused to countenance the idea.

You get the same carry on in cities where people refuse to give VM permission to string the cable across their facia. There are some people who are plain inconsiderate.:mad:

oscarBravo

blueser wrote: »

Anyone seen those B4RN videos on youtube? It's a rural broadband scheme, in the north of England. Run by local groups, not BT, Virgin, Talk Talk or whoever. Immense speeds (700mb and higher). Why can't we do schemes like that over here? It's not like the rural north of England is awash with cash, but they seem to manage it.

It's a fantastic initiative. I've been to one of their open days (well worth a visit). But it's unlikely to be replicated here for a few reasons.

One has been touched on already: Irish people are neurotic, bordering on psychotic, when it comes to land. On top of that, land ownership can be very fragmented, so while a few kilometers of fibre in northern England could be run across one or maybe two farmers' land, you could be dealing with a dozen landowners here and it only takes one to say no.

Another problem is backhaul. You need to be able to access properly high-speed fibre somewhere relatively close to your fibre build, and accessible fibre isn't something we have an abundance of in rural areas.

But the nail in the coffin is the NBP. It quite simply doesn't make sense to go to all the trouble and expense of building a rural fibre network when the government is going to build one in a few years anyway.

BarryM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Have the 150m plus free uk and Irish calls.

Should be as above,first bill came in today
171.46
WTF

That is why I asked about the price/deal, etc. I assume the €171 includes setup fees? Couldn't see it in the pic. I'd be interested in the answers to your (obvious?) query.

garroff

BarryM wrote: »

That is why I asked about the price/deal, etc. I assume the €171 includes setup fees? Couldn't see it in the pic. I'd be interested in the answers to your (obvious?) query.

What setup fee?. There should NOT be a setup fee.

BarryM

oscarBravo wrote: »

One has been touched on already: Irish people are neurotic, bordering on psychotic, when it comes to land.

Maybe, but a proper, community based, initiative, WITH an INCENTIVE, would probably work.

On top of that, land ownership can be very fragmented, so while a few kilometers of fibre in northern England could be run across one or maybe two farmers' land, you could be dealing with a dozen landowners here and it only takes one to say no.

Another problem is backhaul. You need to be able to access properly high-speed fibre somewhere relatively close to your fibre build, and accessible fibre isn't something we have an abundance of in rural areas.

Agreed, there is a problem with the granularity, it took us 4 years to get the OKs for permission for a walk passing houses.

But the nail in the coffin is the NBP. It quite simply doesn't make sense to go to all the trouble and expense of building a rural fibre network when the government is going to build one in a few years anyway.

This the real problem, the NBP will never happen, as presently proposed. eir is queering the pitch, announcing here there and everywhere, foot dragging on access to switches for other operators, etc. Add to that the Dept of Finance hasn't agreed to spend anything.

BarryM

IMO, this thread is about rollout, eir's FFTH, and the experiences. It is exactly what it says on the tin.

Gwynston

So I finally had the KN installer turn up this morning, but I don't yet have FTTH

It seems what I was warned about a couple of weeks ago proved true for me: While we do have piping running from the pole underground to our house, the last couple of feet into the hallway uses a much narrower (20mm) conduit which he straight away said would prevent him pushing the fibre through. I did ask about getting rid of the copper wire, or using it to pull through, but he said he wasn't allowed to do that, and besides - when he gave it a yank it wasn't budging at either end, so mush be blocked or kinked somewhere.

He said almost half his installs are failing for this reason - it was typical to finish phone lines this way because the thick black piping from the pole is too inflexible at the house end - and he knows because he has done it many times himself when working as a sparkie!

So the alternate was to run the cable from the pole overhead to the side of our house, but the pole is slightly more in front of next door than our wall and so the neighbour's tall trees would need cutting, which mightn't be an impossibility, but is awkward

After a bit of lateral thinking we came up with a possible better solution: run the fibre from the pole with the splice box back to the previous pole which is in front of the other side of our plot (with no house or trees that side) and run it from there to the other side of our house.

So we're going to try that, but have to wait for another install day because they will need a lifter to get up the pole that side, as it's surrounded by uneven ground. So keeping fingers crossed...!

The Cush

Gwynston wrote: »

It seems what I was warned about a couple of weeks ago proved true for me: While we do have piping running from the pole underground to our house, the last couple of feet into the hallway uses a much narrower (20mm) conduit which he straight away said would prevent him pushing the fibre through. I did ask about getting rid of the copper wire, or using it to pull through, but he said he wasn't allowed to do that, and besides - when he gave it a yank it wasn't budging at either end, so mush be blocked or kinked somewhere.

He said almost half his installs are failing for this reason - it was typical to finish phone lines this way because the thick black piping from the pole is too inflexible at the house end - and he knows because he has done it many times himself when working as a sparkie!

This is what eircom said previously about using 20mm conduit from the ETU to the master socket

Use flexible duct (low friction circular 20mm ID) from the ETU to the Network Terminating Unit (NTU). This is essential to allow replacement / upgrade of telecoms cable and to provide for optic fibre cable to the home in future.

Gwynston

Muppets: wrote:

Use flexible duct (low friction circular 20mm ID) from the ETU to the Network Terminating Unit (NTU). This is essential to allow replacement / upgrade of telecoms cable and to provide for optic fibre cable to the home in future.

Marvellous... :rolleyes:

HairySalmon

rob808 wrote: »

[PHP][/PHP]http://fibrerollout.ie put your Eircode and number see what result you get.

I have done that and for some reason fibre is active all all houses but my own.

I was just looking to see is there anybody in particular that could be contacted to discuss why my house wasn't included in the roll out and to put a time frame on things

rob808

HairySalmon wrote: »

I have done that and for some reason fibre is active all all houses but my own.

I was just looking to see is there anybody in particular that could be contacted to discuss why my house wasn't included in the roll out and to put a time frame on things

well you could try contact open eir see will they extend it to your house.Try email them fibrepower@openeir.ie with your Eircode.

Icyseanfitz

well im running into that 1Tb fup not a bother with my 1gig ftth

never knew it existed on ordering ftth, i presumed (stupid me) that a 1gig connection would have a fup in line with the usage to be expected with a connection like that! do digiweb or pure have the same 1Tb fup?

rob808

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

well im running into that 1Tb fup not a bother with my 1gig ftth never knew it existed on ordering ftth, i presumed (stupid me) that a 1gig connection would have a fup in line with the usage to be expected with a connection like that! do digiweb or pure have the same 1Tb fup?

yup only westnet doesn't

Icyseanfitz

such a bloody joke tbh

garroff

Some light reading while we wait for broadband:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/expose-att-california-fiber-optic-scandal-billions_us_59a4ce47e4b0b234aecad1c7

Roadfan

Without boring anyone with too much detail I reckon fibre will be available to me over next 18 months or so. Anyway cant wait so went for another solution which is working fine t
Involves a mast. Probably will go for fibre at some stage and in this regard just want to say thanks to all who have shared experiences particularly in relation to connections to houses and difficulty with using existing ducts,. Means at least I and no doubt others are at least aware of possible complexities. Thanks again

Gwynston

Gwynston wrote: »

After a bit of lateral thinking we came up with a possible better solution: run the fibre from the pole with the splice box back to the previous pole which is in front of the other side of our plot (with no house or trees that side) and run it from there to the other side of our house.

So we're going to try that, but have to wait for another install day because they will need a lifter to get up the pole that side, as it's surrounded by uneven ground. So keeping fingers crossed...!

Out of the blue, I got a call this morning just as I was leaving for work saying the installers were on their way with a hoist to do the job! So I now have FTTH installed!

Honestly, judging by the complete disconnect between the notifications I've been getting from OpenEir Help and the installation dates+times which I've had both cancelled and attended, the whole installation rollout is a shambles! Just last night I was texted a new install date of Sep-13th!

With the hundreds of installs going on and so many failing, it must be a nightmare for the engineers! :rolleyes: And I'm lucky to be able to work from home to attend these visits, and can get home at a few minutes notice - most other customers must be hugely inconvenienced....

Anyway, haven't had much of a chance to play with it yet (had to run to work), except to test Wifi: 50MB/s down and up standing right next to it, but at the other end of the house, this drops off dramatically to single figures. :eek: The F2000 wifi really is rubbish :mad: And we only have solid walls downstairs - everything upstairs is hollow, as are the ceilings...

Will test a wired connection later to see how close we get to our 300MB package. The installer was saying most people on 150MB are only getting around 100MB, but seem to be happy with that as it's still 50x faster than they'd ever had before fibre :rolleyes:

Gonzo

Unfortunately I reckon it will be 2 years before Eir even consider raising the FUP, and when it's raised, it will be 2tb at most. The question is who will be the first to increase the fup, it's like as if they all have a friendly agreement with each other that we're only allowed 1tb per month.

d31b0y

So, fibre is now officially 100% available to me... Only problem is, I have to run a new duct the 200 - 250 m from the main road to my house.
Who should I be looking at to do that kind of work? Any builder or someone specificly in the telecoms business? Any tips on what I need to look out for? Any estimate on cost (assume 50m of tarmac to be dug up and replaced, the rest is soil / stones - it's nowhere near that much but better to over-estimate, I guess)?

I get the feeling this might go on the long finger though as I am pretty happy with my Imagine LTE connection presently.

Icyseanfitz

Gonzo wrote: »

Unfortunately I reckon it will be 2 years before Eir even consider raising the FUP, and when it's raised, it will be 2tb at most. The question is who will be the first to increase the fup, it's like as if they all have a friendly agreement with each other that we're only allowed 1tb per month.

its such a joke, its like they all have an agreement to keep people unhappy at every stage of having a broadband connection :rolleyes: theres no point in paying for a 1gig connection imo (i have one) if your going to be running 50-100 over your bill every month

Chieftain

d31b0y wrote: »

So, fibre is now officially 100% available to me... Only problem is, I have to run a new duct the 200 - 250 m from the main road to my house.
Who should I be looking at to do that kind of work? Any builder or someone specificly in the telecoms business? Any tips on what I need to look out for? Any estimate on cost (assume 50m of tarmac to be dug up and replaced, the rest is soil / stones - it's nowhere near that much but better to over-estimate, I guess)?

I get the feeling this might go on the long finger though as I am pretty happy with my Imagine LTE connection presently.

I'd be interested in info on this too. I cant get the FTTHuntil I get a trench dug.

Pangea

Girl at work is getting FFTH in today, she asked them to do an attic install, but they wouldn't do it.
They mentioned something about a booster that would help the signal, she didnt know what they meant and frankly either do I. Will find out once its completed.

Pangea

Gwynston wrote: »

except to test Wifi: 50MB/s down and up standing right next to it,

Are you sure you're not using the 2.4G signal?

Peppa Cig

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

its such a joke, its like they all have an agreement to keep people unhappy at every stage of having a broadband connection :rolleyes: theres no point in paying for a 1gig connection imo (i have one) if your going to be running 50-100 over your bill every month

We have gone over 1TB a few times. Ordinary household with kids, Netflix etc. Not mad down/uploaders by any stretch. 1TB just does not suit the product - simple.

Gwynston

Pangea wrote: »

Are you sure you're not using the 2.4G signal?

I was actually.
Couldn't connect on 5G using my (old) Android phone. Probably need that DNSet app? Does that just fix the initial slow connection problem with some devices?

So does 5G distribute better through walls etc.? I will do some more testing later with newer devices.

turbbo

Peppa Cig wrote: »

We have gone over 1TB a few times. Ordinary household with kids, Netflix etc. Not mad down/uploaders by any stretch. 1TB just does not suit the product - simple.

It's an obvious way to make a quick few bob. They did this in the past with dsl. I used to have a 16mb speed and a download limit of 4gb or something stupid like that. Many moons ago, but it's a pattern repeated as they know they made money in the past doing it. They used to quote this unlimited nonsense in the adverts and then you were still bound by a fair usage policy. Now i've got 2.5mb speed so the chances of me breaking a download limit are fairly slim to none. :mad:

Pangea

Gwynston wrote: »

I was actually.
Couldn't connect on 5G using my (old) Android phone. Probably need that DNSet app? Does that just fix the initial slow connection problem with some devices?

So does 5G distribute better through walls etc.? I will do some more testing later with newer devices.

Yeah the app will help the initial connection with older devices, the posters on here said 2.4GHZ is actually better going through walls than 5GHZ

Gwynston

OK, so only getting this with a cat 5e cable:

I think my network card maybe only supports 100MB/s, but I'm on the 300MB package, so I should be getting better than that?

Blogin

Gwynston wrote: »

OK, so only getting this with a cat 5e cable:

I think my network card maybe only supports 100MB/s, but I'm on the 300MB package, so I should be getting better than that?

I think somebody mentioned it could take a day or two for speeds to be settled after Install.