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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 4) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match
The last thread was nearing the 10k post limit so here's part 4.

The same rules as the last thread apply here. People seem to have strong opinions either way when it comes to McGregor and threads here tend to get a bit heated from time to time. Please keep it civil and discuss all things Conor in a mature way.

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Any "Do you even train Bro?" or "I'm an mma fan longer than you" type posts are not permitted either. They only make you look like a fool and as a result, everyone hates you. Yes everyone.

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cashcow

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Ah here, the reimagining of what happened in this fight is getting beyond ridiculous..... by tomorrow Floyd will have shot McGregor.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/901715919717752833

Joe Rogan called them out on it,not like him to get involved that's how bad it is..

Ultimate Seduction

Showtimes commentary seemed much more fair and unbiased, which is surprising

martyos121

Hold on, if McGregor gassed and lost the fight due to altitude, does that mean Sea Level Conor is a thing now? Himself and Cain would make a fairly formidable duo, provided they fight in the Netherlands.

Outlaw Pete

Ah here, the reimagining of what happened in this fight is getting beyond ridiculous..... by tomorrow Floyd will have shot McGregor.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/901715919717752833

walshb

RoryMac wrote: »

I had the 3rd close but went with Mayweather for the better quality shots, didn't give McGregor any rounds aside from 1 and 2. He started the 8th strongly but that emptied the tank.

Same as yourself I'd have to watch again to be sure

4 and 5 worth revisiting..

I could be wrong but a score of 4-1 Conor after 5 may not be odd...

Just watched rd 4 and 5. Sky commentary on it's clear Floyd rds.

Commentary off and both rds competitive..

Floyd either 3-2 behind (giving him rds 4 and 5) or 4-1 behind giving him rd 4.

Outlaw Pete

Yeah the whole FAST conditioning thing now surely can't be taken seriously.

It'd be like Kelly Clarkson (no offense to her) bringing out a new weight loss programme.

People naturally are only going to give credence to something which has been seen to have worked for whomever is endorsing it.

El Caballo

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yes but I was referring to that I was referencing "high altitude disorders".

I think that is extreme reaching. As I said, effective oxygen levels are almost identical at sea level and 2000ft. 2000ft isn't even considered mid altitude. if I went out for a cycle with my 4 year old niece, my oxygen saturation levels would probably be lower than that after 10 minutes.

I don't see the problem in admitting McGregor has cardio issues, it's hugely obvious and as said before, he is not a god and just like everyone else, he has weaknesses as well as strengths. What's the big deal in that? It's something that he can work on and improve to make him a better all round fighter. I just don't get the excuses.

[Deleted User]

I wonder if McGregor will be firing that wacky doctor now? According to the win or learn philosophy they should.

They've spent several years goofing around with "today is the McFAST green zone" and all that stuff. Posting pictures on rowers, bikes, hooked up to fancy equipment. And he still gassed bad.

RoryMac

walshb wrote: »

True..

I scored rd 3 for Conor. Close rd..

4 and 5 were close. Would have to rewatch to score..

I had the 3rd close but went with Mayweather for the better quality shots, didn't give McGregor any rounds aside from 1 and 2. He started the 8th strongly but that emptied the tank.

Same as yourself I'd have to watch again to be sure

Outlaw Pete

El Caballo wrote: »

You absolutely do aclimitise to altitude when you train there....

Yes but I wasn't referring to the average acclimatizing we do in high altitudes, I specifically referenced "high altitude disorders".

That is adaption to altitude even though it is a moot point in this debate as at 2000ft, effective oxygen levels are only marginally lower than sea level, very slight dehydration would probably affect performance more. Actual physiological changes and aclimatisation are not needed until you start getting into the realm of 5000ft.

Yes, I pointed that out myself also..... and added:

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

...usually people don't struggle until 5000ft or so but in some rare cases they can and especially so if that person is from a low altitude region and is engaging in a high intensity sport.

walshb

RoryMac wrote: »

That's true but it would've be clear to Mayweather by the 3rd that McGregor was struggling.

True..

I scored rd 3 for Conor. Close rd..

4 and 5 were close. Would have to rewatch to score..

dave1982

John_D80 wrote: »

Dont know if this was posted yet.

VUE Cinema in Bury, England showed the fight last night. Fight broke out after.

https://www.buzz.ie/news/watch-violence-erupts-vue-cinema-mcgregor-fight-251678

What do they expect? Loads of fools after drink confined to small space. Scum being scun

RoryMac

walshb wrote: »

Conor gassed. I get that. But it wasn't after 2 or 3 rds..

Gassed after 5 or 6 is the more strict definition.

I don't label gassing as getting tired. I label it when a boxer is visibly suffering and his work being clearly affected..

Yes, he was getting tired after 3 or so, but gassed after 5 and that gassing worsened to rd 10.

That's true but it would've be clear to Mayweather by the 3rd that McGregor was struggling.

walshb

Conor gassed. I get that. But it wasn't after 2 or 3 rds..

Gassed after 5 or 6 is the more strict definition.

I don't label gassing as getting tired. I label it when a boxer is visibly suffering and his work being clearly affected..

Yes, he was getting tired after 3 or so, but gassed after 5 and that gassing worsened to rd 10.

Alf Veedersane

El Caballo wrote: »

I said it in boxing thread but his endurance training is off. HI IT training is a leftover fad from the 90's to get overweight people from chronically unfit to a decent baseline. No true elite athlete should be using as their go to training if they want to be truly fit. good cardio is a lot like a tube of toothpaste, you squeeze it from the bottom up to make use of it all and that means aerobic training is where the money is at.

It's not one or the other though. HIIT won't make a difference if the work hasn't been done but that doesnt mean it's without merit in and of itself. Anyway, we don't really know what training he does.

El Caballo

.ak wrote: »

TBH conditioning for boxing is completely different than every other sport. He was never going to condition himself within that time frame for the output in boxing, hence why he admitted he faded in the sparring rounds as well.

Which really explains why he came out all guns blazing, he didn't want to see past round 4.

True but I still think think his training is off. I still think the absence of roadwork is notable as his legs aren't going to be conditioned as they could be. Maybe the ACL is the reason behind that but plenty of people come back from that to run again.

.ak

TBH conditioning for boxing is completely different than every other sport. He was never going to condition himself within that time frame for the output in boxing, hence why he admitted he faded in the sparring rounds as well.

Which really explains why he came out all guns blazing, he didn't want to see past round 4.

Mr.Nice Guy

I mentioned this on the boxing forum but BBC 5 Live gave their assessment on the fight and were pleasantly surprised by McGregor's performance. You can listen here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05dgdkn

El Caballo

I said it in boxing thread but his endurance training is off. HI IT training is a leftover fad from the 90's to get overweight people from chronically unfit to a decent baseline. No true elite athlete should be using as their go to training if they want to be truly fit. good cardio is a lot like a tube of toothpaste, you squeeze it from the bottom up to make use of it all and that means aerobic training is where the money is at.

darced

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El Caballo

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You can't train it away. It's not the same as acclimatizing to the heat for example and so wouldn't matter how long he had trained there.

I'm not saying he has an issue with altitude, I'm just saying I'm aware that some athletes have, even at mid range, and just wondering aloud if he does is all.

You absolutely do aclimitise to altitude when you train there, this is exactly why elite athletes do train at altitude so they they adapt to a low oxygen environment through changes in blood chemistry. A stint at altitude increases Haemoglobin production which helps the heart transport more oxygen for a given cardiac output, altitude is a stress which creates adaption just like training. Some people will get bigger bang for their buck than others but this is not the point, you absolutely do aclimitise to altitude in both short term and long term. Look at the East Africans who live their whole life at altitude, along with culture, altitude is a huge part of their sucess in distance running because their bodies essentially are more oxygen efficient per heartbeat. This is aerobic capcity in full motion.

Now, no one who was not born at altitude will be acclimated as those who lived and were born at altitude but they will acclimatise to a certain extent as altitude increases. It's the very reasons that anyone who goes to climb Everest moves out there weeks and even months in advance and slowly move up base camps before even climbing Everest.

That is adaption to altitude even though it is a moot point in this debate as at 2000ft, effective oxygen levels are only marginally lower than sea level, very slight dehydration would probably affect performance more. Actual physiological changes and aclimatisation are not needed until you start getting into the realm of 5000ft.

darced

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mdwexford

Pussyhands wrote: »

There's too many chumps in the UFC. Too many guys around too long with not enough motivation.

Alvarez for example was never going to beat McGregor.

Yeah Bellator and UFC lightweight champion. What a chump.

Pettit and Dos Anjos must be some right chumps then.

weldoninhio

darced wrote: »

We have to be careful not to over-blow the cardio issue because this was his first boxing fight. Should he really have been able to last 12 rounds with 5-6 months training? Boxing is like any other sport you have to get your body conditioned to that exact sport, maybe it was just too short a time to get enough conditioning. He gassed in 7 minutes against Nate then he gassed after about 12 minutes the second time. He was about 18 minutes in before he went of the cliff this time, he could still be heading in the right direction.

One thing for sure now is that every fighter in the UFC will have marked his card for this weakness.

He was shattered on the stool after 2 rounds.

Outlaw Pete

Cali_girl wrote: »

Still though - I thought part of the point of Paulie and Joe Cortez was to help trigger that stuff in prep :P

Paulie had enough to cope with now. Forced to spar 24 hours off a flight and made sleep in a crack house.

Sure no wonder he couldn't stay on his feet :P

Pussyhands

There's too many chumps in the UFC. Too many guys around too long with not enough motivation.

Alvarez for example was never going to beat McGregor.

Swashbuckler

darced wrote:

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In fairness, the UFC guys will do well to stay conscious for his cardio to become an issue in MMA. Nate Diaz is a freak of nature.

[Deleted User]

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You can't train it away. It's not the same as acclimatizing to the heat for example and so wouldn't matter how long he had trained there.

I'm not saying he has an issue with altitude, I'm just saying I'm aware that some athletes have, even at mid range, and just wondering aloud if he does is all.

Will take your word (as I have no clue otherwise!). To your point though, I get nosebleeds everytime I go above 2,000m skiing, it happens randomly both first and last day... I once spent a month up in North Dakota (in the darkest coldest winter) and I was SLAYed by the cold (physically and mentally) and recall the locals saying that it took being born there / at least 20 years of adaptation for blood to be properly adapted.

Still though - I thought part of the point of Paulie and Joe Cortez was to help trigger that stuff in prep :P

Outlaw Pete

Cali_girl wrote: »

Ah here... sure he's spent weeks and weeks there training before both this and a few MMA fights!

You can't train it away. It's not the same as acclimatizing to the heat for example and so wouldn't matter how long he had trained there.

I'm not saying he has an issue with altitude, I'm just saying I'm aware that some athletes have, even at mid range, and just wondering aloud if he does is all.

John_D80

Dont know if this was posted yet.

VUE Cinema in Bury, England showed the fight last night. Fight broke out after.

https://www.buzz.ie/news/watch-violence-erupts-vue-cinema-mcgregor-fight-251678