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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

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So, this is looking more likely to be on the cards sooner rather than later...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38591420

Any opinion on who would win this potential fight?

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walshb

Sweet Science wrote: »

What do I praise him for ? He was awkward the first 2 rounds while Floyd done nothing . Then he gassed and Floyd literally walked in straight lines until Conor had nothing left and ended the fight

It was brutal all round.

Through 5 rds Conor was up on the compu box scores...

TBE relying on novice pro to gas to get the win...

That's my headline, and as a boxing fan it stinks..

But, it's not any bad mark on boxing. Only a bad mark on Floyd. Something I said right from the start..

walshb

ThinkProgress wrote: »

No you didn't... for whatever reason, you are choosing to undersell yourself??

You predicted a number of things correctly, just like quite a few of us around here...

You said, or agreed:

That Conor's power would not be a big factor... and it wasn't.

That Conor would have problems dealing with the pace... and he did have big problems.

That Floyd would finish him. (yes, it went longer - but you still predicted a finish)

There were other things too... but those are fairly big factors, and you got them right.

But most importantly, you were on the sane side of history... when so many people were losing their mind and predicting a Conor win. (even possibly an easy win)

I don't care if you want to undersell yourself... but it's not exactly an honest representation tbf.

You're a mate for life..��

I get all that. I pointed out those things, but it's still a huge disappointment (for Floyd) that he could not control and dominate the fight throughout..I said he would. And nobody can convince me that he did.

The things you noted I kind of addressed by saying that Conor will never make a pro boxer, and that he would get soundly beaten by the best pros...

Sweet Science

walshb wrote: »

Through 5 rds Conor was up on the compu box scores...

TBE relying on novice pro to gas to get the win...

That's my headline, and as a boxing fan it stinks..

But, it's not any bad mark on boxing. Only a bad mark on Floyd. Something I said right from the start..

Yeah but I think you are reading too much into stats . None of them punches had any substance . I seen Conor in the corner after round 2 and knew it would end . Floyd literally waited until he was 100% there was no risk at all . I agree he didn't cover himself in glory at all . But are you surprised ?

snowflaker

Conor was better than I thought he would be.
Floyd wasn't as good as he should have been, but he has been retired for over 2 years.

It was like a cat playing with his prey for a good while, and the prey put up a good fight.

walshb

Sweet Science wrote: »

Yeah but I think you are reading too much into stats . None of them punches had any substance . I seen Conor in the corner after round 2 and knew it would end . Floyd literally waited until he was 100% there was no risk at all . I agree he didn't cover himself in glory at all . But are you surprised ?

Conor's punches had as much substance on a fit Floyd as Floyd's had on a gassed Conor..that is a sad indictment for TBE!

snowflaker

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/mayweather-mcgregor-the-verdict/

Matt Christie's take on things

Sweet Science

walshb wrote: »

Conor's punches had as much substance on a fit Floyd as Floyd's had on a gassed Conor..that is a sad indictment for TBE!

I'm out

SlickRic

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Why are more MMA fans not talking about Conor's complete lack of punching power?? Against a smaller man

The McGregor power has always been a myth.

He's all about perfectly timing the counter punch. And in MMA, when that wobbles or floors them momentarily, he can jump on them and hammer fist.

Even the much vaunted Aldo knockout - it was a beauty of a punch. But the punch didn't get him out cold. He still had to jump on him and finish it.

But again, talking about his power was just a sales tactic.

walshb

Jesus...just watching fight again. Sky's hard on for Floyd is sickening..

It's like Conor was invisible...

Floyd threw an uppercut that just missed at 1.32 of rd 9...fook me..

His engine and stamina superb..as much about stamina management as raw stamina.

ThinkProgress

walshb wrote: »

You're a mate for life..��

I get all that. I pointed out those things, but it's still a huge disappointment (for Floyd) that he could not control and dominate the fight throughout..I said he would. And nobody can convince me that he did.

The things you noted I kind of addressed by saying that Conor will never make a pro boxer, and that he would get soundly beaten by the best pros...

I see where you're coming from... part of me was anticipating some kind of masterclass too. Particularly as this was his big send-off.

But then another part of me, just knew that Floyd would be cautious. He has always been a slightly frustrating fighter that way... But is that not also part of his genius? He is a clever tactician... and he actually fights within his true abilities.

He was always in total control of the outcome of this fight. It's just that his tactics, were conservative. I guess leopard can't really change it's spots.

He's also not really a naturally offensive fighter. I think there were two fighters out there, trying to figure out what they were doing!! (slight exaggeration)

Morrison J

Fight couldn't have really gone more to what I expected. Played out to a tee. McGregor was always going to gas horrifically and was always going to be too tough to get knocked down.

Had a feel of a glorified spar tbh.

Delighted the whole farce is over with and we can now concentrate on proper boxing once again.

willmunny1990

The likes of Canelo or any of the other top guys would hurt Conor big time.

Floyd has been cherry picking and fighting scared most of the latter part of his career, that's a very padded 50-0 it has to be said.

walshb

Floyd had a nasty lump on back of his head on his right side! Whatever caused that?😊

hbhook

Everyone satisfied? I wasn't. Floyd was walking straight to him. No head movement and swinging wildly. I was fairly drunk in fairness but that's what I saw. He carried him. Mc came off well though I thought in the fight and afterwards.

Lukker-

SlickRic wrote: »

The McGregor power has always been a myth.

He's all about perfectly timing the counter punch. And in MMA, when that wobbles or floors them momentarily, he can jump on them and hammer fist.

Even the much vaunted Aldo knockout - it was a beauty of a punch. But the punch didn't get him out cold. He still had to jump on him and finish it.

But again, talking about his power was just a sales tactic.

Aldo was asleep when he hit the canvas, overhead cameras show this, the hammer fists were unnecessary.

Alf Veedersane

Lukker- wrote: »

Conditioning wise, Conor is used to fighting 15 mins or 25. MMA pace is totally different to boxing. That said him gassing could be because he has a low ceiling stamina wise, it could be mental adrenaline dump or it could just be that he's not conditioned for boxing at all.

Andy Lee said that part of being conditioned for a boxing fight is the hundreds of rounds over the years in a canvas ring...it would be a softer surface and allied to staying in stance would tire the hell out of Conor's legs.

StringerBell

They were but the point does stand that the power thing is a myth, he doesn't generally one punch KO people, it's his timing and accuracy that has them in trouble. I would think most if not all his opponents have mentioned It? Not the power as much as the accuracy which seems fair enough given what we have seen in his career

walshb

Just listened to Conor post fight ring interview...no swearing or obnoxious behaviour..just very normal and natural.. for me it comes across so much more believable and classy.. Impressive..

[Deleted User]

It was a show. Clear enough FM was keeping the match alive for the fans. Not much a step beyond WWE.

Lukker-

StringerBell wrote: »

They were but the point does stand that the power thing is a myth, he doesn't generally one punch KO people, it's his timing and accuracy that has them in trouble. I would think most if not all his opponents have mentioned It? Not the power as much as the accuracy which seems fair enough given what we have seen in his career

I'd agree generally, he's not blunt force trauma power like boxing, it's more the fact that he can find someone's so called light switch very well. He touches the switch and it's light out, they are on the canvas without knowing how they got there.

The shots are deceptively heavy though IMO, as he transfers lots of weight from his legs to the shots, but again it's not boxing 101 where you are really torquing the upper body into shots. More akin to pitcher throwing a baseball or smith

StringerBell

@Walsh, I will get back to you when I'm home on your question. I'm on the mobile at the minute in work and would be a pain

StringerBell

Lukker- wrote: »

I'd agree generally, he's not blunt force trauma power like boxing, it's more the fact that he can find someone's so called light switch very well. He touches the switch and it's light out, they are on the canvas without knowing how they got there.

The shots are deceptively heavy though IMO, as he transfers lots of weight from his legs to the shots, but again it's not boxing 101 where you are really torquing the upper body into shots. More akin to pitcher throwing a baseball or smith

His striking is top class for MMA

mada999

When people say (and Floyd) say that he "walked McGregor down".... what does this mean? Because all i was seeing was Floyd turning his back 10s of times? Does this mean he was walking him down or did the walking him down only start when from when McGregor was wrecked?

ThinkProgress

Lukker- wrote: »

I'd agree generally, he's not blunt force trauma power like boxing, it's more the fact that he can find someone's so called light switch very well. He touches the switch and it's light out, they are on the canvas without knowing how they got there.

The shots are deceptively heavy though IMO, as he transfers lots of weight from his legs to the shots, but again it's not boxing 101 where you are really torquing the upper body into shots. More akin to pitcher throwing a baseball or smith

It's very simple for me... Conor dumps huge amounts of energy early in a fight, knowing that most MMA fighters can't handle much pressure in a stand-up fight.

It's not even really about power or even accuracy. He has decent power... but it's extreme pressure, mixed with decent power and accuracy. The high pressure is the key to his success...

It's a bit like the high energy press with Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool/Dortmund or Barcelona in Soccer...

It completely overwhelms these guys, who are not very well suited to stand-up fighting. And most of them fold fairly quickly. It's a risky strategy... as the Diaz fights showed. But it has also brought him an incredible amount of success!

If more MMA opponents understood what he is trying to do... they could build a strategy to deal with it. But many are clueless, and just trade with him early!

blade1

walshb wrote: »

His engine and stamina superb..as much about stamina management as raw stamina.

That's the thing.
It felt to me more like a stamina match than a boxing match.

Ash.J.Williams

StringerBell wrote: »

They were but the point does stand that the power thing is a myth, he doesn't generally one punch KO people, it's his timing and accuracy that has them in trouble. I would think most if not all his opponents have mentioned It? Not the power as much as the accuracy which seems fair enough given what we have seen in his career

That's what conor says

RoryMac

Mayweather weighed up the options before the fight and expected McGregor to gas badly as his shots missed/landed on arms.

True to form he chose the easy path to the win and let McGregor burn himself out early. He upped the pace as McGregor dropped his.

McGregor didn't have the raw power to make things interesting. It was disappointing from Mayweather that he chose the easier option rather than outboxing him from the start.

I was impressed by McGregor's slipping of shots even in the 8th & 9th when he was running on empty. His chin also looks good to withstand the shots in the last few rounds.

Mayweather even though in control throughout was disappointing, not just for his careful approach but also for the lack of accuracy in his shots.

I wouldn't like to see either box again

walshb

Rory, did Floyd tell you this plan? Do you believe him..

One could argue that he couldn't outbox or get the better of a fresher-fitter 4 rds Conor..

Only rd 6 or so onwards he started getting on top due to Conor gassing badly..

Ash.J.Williams

Wonder how conor would get on starting at the bottom for a UK /euro belt?

walshb

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Wonder how conor would get on starting at the bottom for a UK /euro belt?

Aged 30 or so now I wouldn't hold out much hope..

Young talented JMWs hitting hard and fit as fook would mill through him..