Donald Trump wrote: » (I couldn't find a clip of his joke about Nelson's column) I just saw the word Mandela and forgot about that is was referring to the "Mandela effect"
Omackeral wrote: » Kit Kat or Kit-Kat?
odyssey06 wrote: » Grayson wrote: » It's the exact same thing. People remember hearing that Mandela died. None of them claim to be there when it happened. They claim to remember hearing about it or seeing it on TV. The same thing occurs with Muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. Trump never claimed to be there, neither did all the people who claimed to see it on TV. They all say they remember seeing reports of it happening at the time. Some were even specific enough to remember a particular reporter and channel. They're both false memories about something that they claim to have seen on TV. There was footage of Muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11 - it just wasn't from the USA or near the Twin Towers. There were reports but no footage of Muslims celebrating in New Jersey, a very small number and nowhere near the Twin Towers. Fresh in people's minds would have been lots of footage of the Twin Towers attacks. I can see how it might have gotten conflated in error in memories. But what was the source\trigger of the actual error-memory about Nelson Mandela? Can we trace it to some other announcement of the death of a public figure that was the news about the same time as Mandela was in the news I wonder?
Grayson wrote: » It's the exact same thing. People remember hearing that Mandela died. None of them claim to be there when it happened. They claim to remember hearing about it or seeing it on TV. The same thing occurs with Muslims dancing in the streets after 9/11. Trump never claimed to be there, neither did all the people who claimed to see it on TV. They all say they remember seeing reports of it happening at the time. Some were even specific enough to remember a particular reporter and channel. They're both false memories about something that they claim to have seen on TV.
Grayson wrote: » I guess it says a lot about modern society that so many of these examples are about mis remembered movies.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » Most people remember the line in Field of Dreams as "If you build it they will come". But it's actually he will come. Seen some heated discussions on it online over the years with many convinced that the film must have been changed over time.
ligerdub wrote: » I'm sure you could have found a better example. I don't want to drag this particular topic out, but there are quite a few examples of this actually happening. This video for example:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_TwEaF5Jh0 Now this all depends on whether or not you consider this to be fake news or not. Bear in mind that the Mandela effect does not relate to something so and so had seen with their own eyes a couple of days ago, and it usually relates to the trivial, rather than something which would tend to provoke some sort of emotion. It's usually something that builds up over time for some reason. These incidents are different. Also, I don't believe there is a common perception that they saw news reports, or more specifically video of them in the act. There is unlikely to be footage of such an occurrence anyway, and as it turns out there obviously were news reports that said exactly that. In any event it's still not the Mandela effect, it's a totally different thing. The Mandela effect is such that the general belief if that such and such is true, but it can be demonstrably shown to not be the case e.g. everyone thinks the monopoly guy wears a monocle but he doesn't and here is why. There's no such footnote in the New Jersey/911 example.
twill wrote: » The film Apollo 13 changed the line to ""we have a problem" for dramatic effect.
Grayson wrote: » It's not a political example shoehorned. When I first heard of the Mandela effect it was given as an example. Loads of people, including the current US president, claim to remember watching news reports about it. However there were no news report of it happening. There's no record of it happening. No reporter saw it. And people have trawled through all the video from that day and it's not there. It's a fake memory that some people have.
ligerdub wrote: » It's neither. In order for this to be the Mandela effect it would have to be something like a significant proportion of people who believed they saw this on tv or the like (but obviously didn't). The reality is that it is more likely to be something that a relatively small number of people genuinely did witness with their own eyes (I don't think there was ever a claim that it was thousands either, like some sort of carnival). It's also a political comment unnecessarily shoe-horned into the mixer.
Are Am Eye wrote: » The apartment was trashed, curtains torn, I was covered in some kind of yellow ectoplasm. The four wine bottles were mysteriously empty. And a trail of bits of pizza and chips led outside to my car crashed into a wall.
Wexfordboy89 wrote: » https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory Anybody ever hear of this before.I for a long time thought in the movie Forrest gump in probably the most famous since in the movie thought he said "momma always said life is like a box of chocolates".but he actually says "momma always said life was like a box of chocolates.anyone else have an example of something they thought happened/was said but the opposite actually happened/was said.
odyssey06 wrote: » Did people actually remember that as happening, or do they remember reading an untrue media report about that happening? It's not a false memory, it's a memory of something false.
Grayson wrote: » Maybe but it's not the Mandela effect is it? The mandela effect is remembering something that never happened. Not remembering something slightly differently. So for example Darth vader never said "Luke, I am your father" but he did reveal himself as Luke's father. However the mandela effect is remembering thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11 when it never happened at all.
odyssey06 wrote: » I wonder if this is how languages evolve... our brains are auto-correcting word combinations into an easier to remember \ pronounce form...
RiderOnTheStorm wrote: I think this quote qualifies, as its used as the exact opposite of what it means. "Blood is thicker than water". People use this to mean that family is more important than non-family. But the original phrase is "the blood of battle is thicker than the waters of the womb". Which means that people you have shared adversity with are more important than those that are just family.
Burial. wrote: » Most famous one is probably that the Queen song doesn't end in "We are the champions....of the world". "Of the world" is sang at the end of one of the choruses but the final part finishes with "cause we are the champions". Pretty mad.
Irish Guitarist wrote: » The Mandela effect isn't just people remembering things wrong. People that believe in it believe that reality is being changed because there's an alternate reality that they shift in and out of, that people are travelling from the future and changing time or that we're living in some kind of computer simulation. Apparently thousands of people remember Nelson Mandela dying and his funeral being broadcast on television in the 1980s, hence the name Mandela effect. There are some people that take all of this far too seriously and appear to have some kind of mental disorder. Anytime they discover they've being remembering a song lyric or a line in a film incorrectly they think it's more 'evidence' that whatever insane theory they believe is right. They're obsessed with it.
Burial. wrote: Most famous one is probably that the Queen song doesn't end in "We are the champions....of the world". "Of the world" is sang at the end of one of the choruses but the final part finishes with "cause we are the champions". Pretty mad.
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