liger wrote: » No they haven't. The fares have remained steady for the last couple of years. 2cent increase to schoolkids fare on the leap card and rise for xpresso if I recall right. Not that DB or GA control that.
devnull wrote: » The new model that GoAhead will be on from when they start and Dublin Bus will be on after 2019 is that there will be no proposals made and it will be a solely NTA decision.
Stephen15 wrote: » DB proposed a flat fare during before the NTA's inception one of the better ideas regarding public transport however this was blocked by the jobsworths in the DoT who were calling the shots at the time.
devnull wrote: » Having an intergrated ticketing system with one ticket valid on everything is even more complicated because you have several companies all of which have their own requirements, revenue needs and none of them are going to give up any revenue without a fight at the end of the day because they will look after number one. The difference with the other countries is they tend to all have been one system and a central pot has been getting revenue and the operators have been paid set fees for some time, this is the model that the NTA is trying to move towards, but it's not going to be something that can happen relatively quickly since operators are used to taking fares and keeping them rather than being paid a set fee as is common in Europe.
Stephen15 wrote: » That is why I reckon DB should have been given the tender to operate the Luas.
A flat fare valid on Bus and Luas. Irish Rail who would have been easy enough to get as a fellow CIE company.
devnull wrote: » Judging by how long Bus and Train were in common ownership and they managed to do pretty much no intergration over the years, I wouldn't fancy the chances of that happening because CIE have an abysmal record when it comes to intergrating their sister companies apart from co-locating them in the same facilities. Plus at the end of the day even if they were, it still doesn't resolve the problems that I mentioned as you will still have caveats and conditions attached to it over who is going to take the revenue risk and what would happen if it didn't work out and the effect that it would have on PSO subsidy for instance and the cost to the taxpayer. Almost all intergrated transport tickets are based on revenue going to a fixed pot and the operators paid a fee to run a particular service, otherwise the system cannot work properly because it introduces lots of headaches such as who gets what part of the revenue from a ticket and why and that ALWAYS creates disputes between providers who are all going to want to look after their bottom line. So it's the norm to remove that problem entirely by taking farebox revenue out of the equation totally.
Stephen15 wrote: » There actually were intergrated DB and IE, DB and Luas and Luas and IE tickets before Leap was introduced just none valid on all three.
devnull wrote: » A moment ago you were talking about single tickets and flat fares now for some reason you've switched focus to something completely different such as period passes which is a totally different kettle of fish completely. I was talking about your average farebox revenue mainly, not monthly and yearly passes and you were too I thought for the previous posts?
Cookie_Monster wrote: » IS there a longer term plan to wean DB off farebox revenue & transfer facilities out of their ownership? If say the next 10% of routes are to be tendered in 2020-21, then the following 10% etc at what point do you start to address the facilities and fare structure, and indeed the fare transfers structure between NTA controlled and DB controlled routes (in terms of fare box allocations)
AlekSmart wrote: » It's "fair" (:D) to say,that one of the significant errors made during the initial preparations for the introduction of the ITS scheme to Dublin,was the decision to defer Integration to a later date in the proceedings.
Stephen15 wrote: » You're ust another keyboard warrior next time your getting off bus a bus I dare you to say I hope you're replaced by a driverless bus instead of saying thanks go on I dare you.
dublinman1990 wrote: » An NTA tender recently sought up to 50 midibuses for DB,BE & presumably for Go Ahead to operate their PSO services. The tender was valued at €8 million. It asked for buses that were measured between 8.6m & 10.5m in length.https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders/ViewNotice/190410 This tender was recently closed back on the 8th of May. I wonder how many of these new midibuses will be in Go Ahead's hands when they have their routes off DB.
dublinman1990 wrote: I wonder how many of these new midibuses will be in Go Ahead's hands when they have their routes off DB.
LXFlyer wrote: » Once again, I need to explain that all tenders for buses are prepared on a speculative basis, as there is no guarantee that government funding will be available when they come around to be ordered. They also may subsequently decide to change the mix of buses ordered. They hedge their bets basically.
bk wrote: » What you described above is exactly how every major company (or bus buying organisation) tenders for buses/coaches and it also how airlines buy planes. It is also not unusual for airlines to change their orders later. A380's to A350's, etc. It is a pretty damn good sign of what they are considering buying and are thinking pretty seriously about it. Short of a major recession hitting again, I would assume these orders will go ahead, though perhaps with a slightly different mix.
LXFlyer wrote: » For the record - I don't want people to think I'm being unduly negative - I'm just very cautious about anything like this given the history! I'd be the first to welcome all these buses being delivered, but we will wait and see what happens. There is an awful lot that needs to happen in a very short space of time, and that's going to be challenging in itself.
Stephen15 wrote: » There certainly is. I somewhat fail to see how this tendering process will improve services. People are very quick to criticise DB and its staff when most the issues boil down underfunding resulting in lack of buses and lack of drivers. Maybe its just the area I live in but I am generally satisfied by the service I am getting in my area I find there is a good mix of local, radial and orbital routes in my area however there is room for improvement such as the reduction of fares and the making of buses cashless.
LeinsterDub wrote: » This Saturday Dublin bus/NTA were running a 4 every half an hour. The service is a disgrace.
Stephen15 wrote: » I was only giving a personal opinion yes I have seen the timetable for that routes and it probably should be more frequent on the weekends but thats only one route.
LeinsterDub wrote: » The entire network is archaic. Thankfully bus connects is en route.
brokenarms wrote: » I still dont know how this is going to go through with the unions. How do you take a marked in route off one driver let alone a 100 drivers without an all out strike?
