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ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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A van has ploughed into the crowd in Las Ramblas, Barcelona. Earliest reports say several are injured.

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Ulysses Gaze

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Can anyone tell me....what are the benefits of Mass Islamic Immigration from the Third World?

Still waiting......

DEFTLEFTHAND

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

1. Ireland is being the fuzzy luvvy by sending the boats down to the Med to rescue these people. But they offload them in Italy. Such hypocrisy. If they were to be brought back to Dublin/Cork I wonder sometimes.....

2. There is no threat here from these people. But Ibrahim Halawa is top of the news. LOL. :rolleyes:

3. Merkel seems to be top of the heap for re-election in Germany.

Just build the bollards for now.

This really grinds my goat.

Bloody Navy awarding themselves medals for assisting the work of human traffickers in the Med. Disgraceful antics.

I thought the primary fuction of a Navy is to protect sea borders, not provide a glorified ferry service for people who are attempting to illegally enter a continent.

Bambi985

London has anti-ramming barriers all over the gaff. They line every central London bridge, Borough Market, I was at a meeting in Canary Wharf during the week and they're all over the place there too.

Sadly it took a fair few hits for the government to get their sh1t together on that front and that's exactly why this problem is spiralling out of control. Because countries are dealing with the terror problem individually and reactively, throwing hoards of armed police out onto the street in the immediate aftermath of another tragedy and hoping for the best. That's not looking the problem in the eye. Facing it head on means a collective approach, not AFTER the next attack (2/1 says we're about a month out...where next...Rome? Copenhagen?) but RIGHT NOW, stop tip-toeing around the spiralling problem of radical Islam and uncontrolled migration in Europe with inane platitudes about "religion of peace" and #notallmuslims and "welcome to Europe!" and stop handing ISIS opportunities on a plate. They're having a right laugh right now, riding on the wave of "multi-culturalism" and "shur you can't say that, that's racist..."

I'm not even stirred by these attacks at this stage, haven't read up on Barcelona, haven't been disturbed by the few videos knocking around showing dead kids on the street, entirely numb to it all at this rate, same sh1t different day, sure what's new or shocking about this? I might get a bit emotional when it lands on Ireland's doorstep, Grafton Street or Stephen's Green or Shop Street in Galway or something, but even then it's not as if any of us will be able to claim "no-one saw it coming" because we've been around long enough to know that these lads love a good soft target and aren't going to be hanging up their suicide belts any time soon.

ilkhanid

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The Soviet Invasion was 1978. The guys who fought that war would be 40+ years old. Isis broke from Al Qaeda and most of the fighters are young kids. There is no evidence either ISIS leaders fought in Afghanistan for the Mujahideen.

True. But Islamist Radicalism is intelligent at establishing connections from country to country, from generation to generation. Some of those who fought in Afghanistan left for their own countries, fired up with zeal. Algerians from that conflict fought in the Islamist conflict in the 90s and when dispersed they infiltrated Saharan and sub-Saharan Africa. There were already Islamists in Egypt (The Muslim brotherhood was strong there) and so links were established. So there was a large group available to fight the Americans in Iraq when the time came. And other groups began to look for areas in chaos to set up bases. So the torch is passed from generation to generation, from country to country and of course, the advent of the Web and social media accelerated the process. Each generation-so to speak -changed and metastasized in various ways, usually growing more violent and extreme with each iteration.

A Little Pony

Mehapoy wrote: »

How does Sweden give extremists a reason to have a chip on their shoulder? They're neutral, are unfailingly PC and tolerant yet have been hit and have multiple no go areas.

Because they want to force Islam on all of us, to make Islam the law of the land. If you are critical of the ideology you are called an Islamophobe which is basically a badge of honor considering how daft and moronic the ideology is.

A Little Pony

Mehapoy wrote: »

How does Sweden give extremists a reason to have a chip on their shoulder? They're neutral, are unfailingly PC and tolerant yet have been hit and have multiple no go areas.

post error.

Gravelly

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Still waiting......

You'll have a long, long wait. This is one of those questions the islamic sneaking regarders never give an answer to, and yet it is probably the most fundamental question of all.

Hector Savage

RTE news presenter being disgusted at racial profilling for people wanting to rent trucks!

Im sorry but it makes sense, I don't care if it's not PC , it makes perfect sense if Mid eastern or north african men are renting vans to do more of a background check.

Again RTE apologists

blinding

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Still waiting......

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..............sorry

Gravelly

Hector Savage wrote: »

RTE news presenter being disgusted at racial profilling for people wanting to rent trucks!

Im sorry but it makes sense, I don't care if it's not PC , it makes perfect sense if Mid eastern or north african men are renting vans to do more of a background check.

Again RTE apologists

This gets to the heart of why it is so difficult to prevent these attacks "racial profiling" (i.e. watching the actual people who carry out these attacks) is a big no-no in PC land, so police, airport security, etc. are under pressure to waste resources pretending to be "fair" by distributing surveillance resources across all the public.

CB19Kevo

tomwaterford wrote: »

Isis is losing. ...keep up

Russia has pounded them back to the stoneage-where they came from

The problem with that is it sound like you see ISIS as a tangible element,something finite.
The problem is the ideology,The religion in its extreme but historical form.
Just because ISIS may be wiped out in the middle east will not stop western muslims from becoming radicalized.

I don't see this improving if anything i see it massively deteriorating with increased attacks and counter attacks.
That is unless action is taken.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Dilan Jolly Ant wrote: »

There is likely some co-operation with the local organised gangs in terms of 'human trafficking' particularly from Sicily (main Med crossing processing centers). It's a billion dollar industry after all, so maybe who knows, perhaps they're exempt for their kindly assistance as they go on their journey towards NW Europe.

Bear in mind their ultimate end game aim, is said to be the total destruction of Rome and all that it stands for, so maybe it's just a temporary plaster.

You'll be a long time waiting for Rome to do something about it.

Took them 400 years the last time around.

end of the road

blinding wrote: »

The Australians have a very successful template for dealing with unwanted immigration .

It tells us all we need to know that our politicians and european politicians do not adopt this highly successful template .

Our politicians and european politicians are traitors to their own people .

because it's not a successful template. it's supposed success is way way over-stated. illegals still get into australia in good numbers but it's never talked about by the politicians over there. also, the human rights abuses in offshore camps is rife.

Pac1Man wrote: »

These threads always bring out the 'wait-for-news-before-speculating' types.

Fcuk off! As if this was ever going to be an accident.

Do-gooders.

nope, not do gooders at all as there is no such thing. just people who want the facts before they have an opinion, aka sensible rational people.

[Deleted User]

It's time for the world to grow up and stop pretending that a belief in Allah or Christian God or any other divine being your having yourself is sensible legitimate adult behaviour. Instead it's getting worse, nobody has a hope of getting elected in America now without professing their faith publicly while we in Europe fall over ourselves to acccomadate all religious beliefs in one big happy family instead of telling everyone to cop the £^<* on.

blinding

A Little Pony wrote: »

Because they want to force Islam on all of us, to make Islam the law of the land. If you are critical of the ideology you are called an Islamophobe which is basically a badge of honor considering how daft and moronic the ideology is.

Islam's ideology is too take over and run the show .

If you don't like wishy washy then Islam is for you .

Its there way or the highway .

Thats if you are lucky .

Lets put it this way if some of our nutters went into their manor they wouldn't be backward about coming forward in dispatching the nutters or any connections .

Perhaps we should ask Islamic countries how they would deal with such attacks in their countries .

cfuserkildare

Seems most people don't know about this:-

40 (a) (ii) In the event of a conflict involving the major global powers, it is highly likely that the poverty-stricken populations of Africa, the Middle East and Central America -- some of which outnumber the populations of their Western neighbours by a ratio of 100-to-1 -- will flood over Western borders and overwhelm Western city centers.
From United States National Security Council Planning Paper Paper Q-309, 28 October 2000

BumperD

If you place a map of Europe on the table, color in the countries that have been hit in attacks, it becomes very clear how vulnerable Ireland is. It must be only a matter of time before we get hit and I really do fear the response times will be wholly inadequate.

Read that one Spanish cop took out four of the drugged up head choppers last night in the second attack. The man is a hero.

Gravelly

BumperD wrote: »

If you place a map of Europe on the table, color in the countries that have been hit in attacks, it becomes very clear how vulnerable Ireland is. It must be only a matter of time before we get hit and I really do fear the response times will be wholly inadequate.

Read that one Spanish cop took out four of the drugged up head choppers last night in the second attack. The man is a hero.

This map shows it (just 2017 attacks!) in stark, terrifying reality:

https://storymaps.esri.com/stories/terrorist-attacks/?year=2017

end of the road

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I think a deterrent (though not a solution) would be to start locating individuals who are known to be involved with ISIS. This would be a multi-government operation and could only target individuals who were unequivocally proven to be ISIS members.

yes, then put them on trial and lock them up. brilliant idea, it's what countries are supposibly doing as it is

Jayesdiem wrote: »

It would also have to be kept secret to prevent suspicion amongst people who have a predisposition for political correctness.

can't be done, and there is no need. people who have a predisposition for mythical political correctness insure against human rights abuses, which have no place in society.

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Undergo a campaign of torture on ISIS members. Keep it top secret. Once captured, expose them to indescribable pain such as chopping limbs off, pulling finger nails out, removing eyes, excising areas of skin etc. However DO NOT let them die. Tend to their wounds, keep them fed and watered and do whatever is necessary to prevent infection, excessive blood loss or anything else that could shorten their experience and deliver them to the paradise that they think is their final destination. They actually desire death - so keep them alive and make the experience one of intolerable pain.

can't be done, torture and mutilation are against human rights and international law. they also don't work and they have a habbit of coming to light, hence keeping it secret is impossible and rightly so.
sorry but your g-hadi style nonsense and violent fantasies won't be practiced in europe.

Doltanian

BumperD wrote: »

If you place a map of Europe on the table, color in the countries that have been hit in attacks, it becomes very clear how vulnerable Ireland is. It must be only a matter of time before we get hit and I really do fear the response times will be wholly inadequate.

Read that one Spanish cop took out four of the drugged up head choppers last night in the second attack. The man is a hero.

We need a hard border or all these scumbags will be using Northern Ireland as a back door into the UK after brexit.

Manic Moran

kunst nugget wrote: »

Seriously, do people in this country not study the history of this island at all. What did internment and torture do in the North except lead to a massive increase in violence and exacerbated sectarian tensions. Many of the 'suspects' that were arrested and tortured turned out to have no connection with paramilitaries at all.

Without advocating that it would be a good idea to try it in this current case, because frankly I don't know if it could be done properly, it is worth pointing out that there were -two- periods of internment in Ireland. The controversial British-only period of the 1970s, which all concerned agree was something of a disaster, and the cross-border internment of the 1960s. Part of the reason you don't hear so much about the 1960s one (outside of the fact that since the Republic was doing it, it kind of kills the "evil Brits" narrative), is because it was far less controversial. The processes gained the approval of the European Court of Human Rights when it was challenged, and it also had the side benefit of working.

In the 1970s, the British basically lashed out, they operated on limited intelligence, had no practical screening system, and generally fumbled about. The internment of the 1960s benefitted from good, cross-border intelligence, targeted only people with high levels of certainty, and had a workable review process for those interned.

To say that internment just doesn't work is to ignore when it does. To say that internment along the lines of 1970s Northern Ireland won't work is far more sustainable.

Manic Moran

Double post again. My iPad keeps doing that...

The_Valeyard

Manic Moran wrote: »

Double post again. My iPad keeps doing that...

Happening mobile also

sink

Hector Savage wrote: »

RTE news presenter being disgusted at racial profilling for people wanting to rent trucks!

Im sorry but it makes sense, I don't care if it's not PC , it makes perfect sense if Mid eastern or north african men are renting vans to do more of a background check.

Again RTE apologists

There is also the issue of white Muslim converts, of which there are many. There is also to issue of alienating communities from which we rely on intelligence to stop these attacks. Racial profiling of young black men in America and UK created a breakdown in trust whereby the only interaction they ever had with police forces was negative. This led to extremely low levels cooperation, of reported criminal activity of legal testimony which is required to tackle crime. Gaining the trust and cooperation of those within the community is far more effective than blanket dragnet style policies. Racial profiling never works without unintended consequences.

Will I Am Not

Terror attack in Paris - yeah but the IRA.
Nice - Yeah but the IRA
Stockholm - Yeah but the IRA
London - Yeah but the IRA
Manchester - Yeah but the IRA
Berlin - Yeah but the IRA
Barcelona - Yeah but the IRA

Are we working on the Hail Mary confession box system or something?
How many more terror attacks do we have to hear of before we can talk about them without bringing up the IRA?

end of the road

Mehapoy wrote: »

I was in Australia at the time of the 'stop the boats' campaign by tony abbot, and while many didn't think it would work at all, the numbers doing the crossing fell dramatically in the weeks after it was introduced, they totally smashed the people smugglers business model and the numbers being drowned went to zero almost overnight.

not true, the numbers crossing were always very low but were way way over exaggerated by tony abbot, who had a tendantsy to over exaggerate everything for political effect.

Mehapoy wrote: »

Our politicians, beholden as they are to Merkel and the EU, would not have the courage to take on the vocal left wing 'progressives' we have here and pull the Navy back from duties as a taxi service for people smugglers.

politicians are not beholden to Merkel and the EU, and the so-called vocal left wing progressives don't make the decisians. it was the politicians who made the decisians and the majority supported such decisians.

Mehapoy wrote: »

The best thing that could happen aswell would be the smashing of the vocal left wing progressives movement that has risen up around the EU.

lol. how do you see that happening exactly? and are we going to have to endure far right nutjobs instead? i'd take left wing vocal progressives over the far right any day.

SafeSurfer

end of the road wrote: »

blinding wrote: »

The Australians have a very successful template for dealing with unwanted immigration .

It tells us all we need to know that our politicians and european politicians do not adopt this highly successful template .

Our politicians and european politicians are traitors to their own people .

because it's not a successful template. it's supposed success is way way over-stated. illegals still get into australia in good numbers but it's never talked about by the politicians over there. also, the human rights abuses in offshore camps is rife.

Pac1Man wrote: »

These threads always bring out the 'wait-for-news-before-speculating' types.

Fcuk off! As if this was ever going to be an accident.

Do-gooders.

nope, not do gooders at all as there is no such thing. just people who want the facts before they have an opinion, aka sensible rational people.

What are the facts?
Over a million unvetted migrants have entered Europe in the last few years.

Human trafficking is an industry that both smugglers and NGOs are benefitting from.

The majority of migrants when "rescued" in the med have misplaced all identification papers but miraculously retained their mobile phones.

There has been a correlation between increased illegal migration and increased terrorist attacks in Europe.

end of the road

Jayesdiem wrote: »

ISIS could be "leaked" information about the potential consequences. One of those situations where the governments would deny any knowledge of such but key enemy figures would be made aware.

and it would then be used as a recruiting tool. you haven't thought this through. this is not a video game, this is real life.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

theres lots that can be done, but people havent the balls to do it.

because it's not workible. they have the balls to do it but if it's not workible then it's throwing money down the drain that can be spent on things that do work.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

instead, they would rather remain outraged at anybody who dares say a word that may offend somebody and constantly look for ways to make justifications and excuses for these people.

really? nope, don't think so.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the attackers are rarely just appearing out of the blue and committing these hideous acts. almost every one of them, has committed crime or come to attention of police before they commit these crimes.

that is true. but unless the authorities have evidence someone is going to commit a crime there isn't much they can do unfortunately.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

if we went to Abu Dhabi, Australia and countless other countries and commited crimes, we would be f*cked out of the country without a word being said.

once caught, yes. ireland also deports people after serving sentences where appropriate.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its time europe stopped being afraid of political correctness and started to treat criminals like they should be.

europe isn't afraid of mythical political correctness and does treat criminals like they should be treated, however it does need to fund resources properly and insure all sentences are appropriate to protect society from dangerous individuals.

Gravelly

sink wrote: »

There is also the issue of white Muslim converts, of which there are many. There is also to issue of alienating communities from which we rely on intelligence to stop these attacks. Racial profiling of young black men in America and UK created a breakdown in trust whereby the only interaction they ever had with police forces was negative. This led to extremely low levels cooperation, of reported criminal activity of legal testimony which is required to tackle crime. Gaining the trust and cooperation of those within the community is far more effective than blanket dragnet style policies. Racial profiling never works without unintended consequences.

Beards. Check the guys with beards. And the guys wearing islamic clothing. And the guys who've been to Morocco, Libya, etc. Wearing a backpack and a beard - "can I just check your backpack there sir".

Alienating the community? Tough ****, if the community doesn't want to be alienated, start reporting the mosques where terrorism is being preached. Start getting out in the streets in the thousands after every attack screaming "not in my name" Start alienating those who treat women like chattels. Start making it look like you don't think the unbelievers deserve their fate.

A Little Pony

Doltanian wrote: »

BumperD wrote: »

If you place a map of Europe on the table, color in the countries that have been hit in attacks, it becomes very clear how vulnerable Ireland is. It must be only a matter of time before we get hit and I really do fear the response times will be wholly inadequate.

Read that one Spanish cop took out four of the drugged up head choppers last night in the second attack. The man is a hero.

We need a hard border or all these scumbags will be using Northern Ireland as a back door into the UK after brexit.

Unlikely to try it in NI due to the different culture which exists here, the tit for tat culture that is.