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ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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A van has ploughed into the crowd in Las Ramblas, Barcelona. Earliest reports say several are injured.

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gitzy16v

Deleted User wrote: »

Extremist interpretations of Islamism, Hinduism etc creates the environment.

Where are all the Hindu terrorists?

Extreme Islam is still Islam just followed more..hmmm whats the best word...religiously.

end of the road

Sweet Prince wrote: »

But when does a choice cross the line into "forced in a friendly manner"?

look, they chose to remove the christmas trees. they did not have to do so and they were not forced to do so. they chose to do so. that is their perogative. if you have evidence they were forced to do it then please report it to the authorities.

Sweet Prince wrote: »

Why are we so able to bend our traditions and forget our history and be accommodating, while others are absolutely unthinkable?

i don't know, but we have been doing all of that long before muslims ever came to ireland.

Sweet Prince wrote: »

Can you imagine you and a few irish nurses in a Saudi Arabian hospital "asking" to remove all muslim symbols in the working environment! Can you imagine there being a politically correct presence in Saudi Arabia that would come running to your call, shaming other muslims into "voluntarily" removing the symobolism? Ha! Some fu**ing chance!

i can't as i wouldn't go to a place like saudi and i'm not a nurse. saudi arabia isn't relevant here as it's not a free democratic society like ireland. what goes on there while sickening, does not mean ireland should operate the same way.

[Deleted User]

gitzy16v wrote: »

Where are all the Hindu terrorists?

The west isnt heavily involved in India currently, but there were plenty of them around in the 1940s......

Mahony0509

Just saw a video, the fellas shot clearly have explosive vests on. Mighty work by the police.

shaunr68

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The Soviet Invasion was 1978. The guys who fought that war would be 40+ years old. Isis broke from Al Qaeda and most of the fighters are young kids. There is no evidence either ISIS leaders fought in Afghanistan for the Mujahideen.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Al Qaeda fighter, former Mujahideen and the founder of ISIS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi

Cheerful Spring

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Just saw a video, the fellas shot clearly have explosive vests on. Mighty work by the police.

The guys who carried out the London attack had fake explosive belts, could be the same here or not? I have a feeling this could be Libyan Isis cell maybe? The came in from Africa? Lot of terrorists will return to Europe when they have nowhere else to turn to when they lose territory.

gitzy16v

Deleted User wrote: »

The west isnt heavily involved in India currently, but there were plenty of them around in the 1940s......

Nor are they in Morocco or Tunisia where this attacker is supposedly from and where the Berlin attacker was from.
Im sure you noticed its 2017 and I still dont recall reading of many Hindu terrorists attacking Europe in the 40's.

Spain has nothing to do with the Wests meddling in the ME or NA,so why the attack...Ill save you the answer..its Islam

Gamebred

Car full of Moroccans it was in Cambrils acc to my friend who is there, they tried to run people down and police shot 4 injured the other.

Cheerful Spring

shaunr68 wrote: »

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Al Qaeda fighter, former Mujahideen and the founder of ISIS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_al-Zarqawi

He was member of Al Qaeda and formed he's own group. Members joined ISIS when he got killed. Isis was not created by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, it was created by Abuabu bakr al-baghdadi and he got help from the Baath party people and people who fought American occupation.

end of the road

Nabber wrote: »

By the very nature of the attacks, it would seem like it's a suicide mission to murder as many people as possible, before being killed.
When a guy goes on the 'run' he/she has some what failed their mission?

I wonder how many of these attacks are self motivated and not planned by a group.

Unfortunately there is no deterrent. We hear the term 'loan wolf' from the likes of CNN. I'd be in favour of some harsher punishments and extending the punishments to family. Not just for terrorist attacks. But if you have a little 14yr old **** with 50 convictions, then start looking up the parents.
if your son or daughter (regardless of age) goes on a rampage, then you get deported/arrested/fined. If you are a member of a church or group, then the heads of group/church are arrested until you can prove no involvement.

Sure you will upset people, USC upsets me, but it's for the good of the nation right???

no . it's not for the good of the nation and it can't be done as collective punishment in any form would be against people's human rights and international law. only the actual guilty can be punished. any government who would target innocent people as punishment for the actions of their relatives must be overthrown as they are a threat to the whole fabric of democracy.

The Oort Cloud

Driver jailed for lunchtime 'joyride' through Henry St that injured 10. Year 2001 Dublin city Ireland.

Judge Dunne... This man has no mental illness, no handicap and no personality disorder and I'm finding it difficult to explain it.

Was it really just a 'joy-ride' looking back at this incident ? going back to the first incidence of this activity of injuring or trying to kill many by vehicle in the year 2001 in Dublin city Ireland.

A NIGERIAN man who drove down Henry Street in Dublin at 60mph knocking down shoppers like "skittles in a bowling alley" has been jailed for five years by Judge Elizabeth Dunne. Jacob Odubajo sped down the crowded pedestrianised street without slowing or swerving to avoid people before ploughing into the back of a stationary construction van.

Sgt Sullivan said the scene that greeted him on his arrival at 1.05 pm was one of chaos and mayhem, with people scattered around the street. Odubajo was restrained by security staff from nearby shops and arrested once the gardai arrived.

Odubajo (36), from Clonliffe Road, Drumcondra, pleaded guilty to 10 counts of reckless endangerment and two counts of dangerous driving causing serious harm on October 18, 2001.

Judge Dunne said the psychiatric report claimed Odubajo had received a letter on the morning of the incident refusing him asylum.

It seems that this kind of murderous act has been going on a lot longer than realised in regards to using a vehicle as a weapon to kill in the last few years.

Maybe the Nigerian folk can shine a light on this ? does this death or injury by vehicle happen much in African countries, and did it happen much before the year 2001 ? and is it a well known tactic there as a murderous tool.

Independent.ie http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/driver-jailed-for-lunchtime-joyride-through-henry-st-that-injured-10-26031287.html

shaunr68

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

He was member of Al Qaeda and formed he's own group. Members joined ISIS when he got killed. Isis was not created by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, it was created by Abuabu bakr al-baghdadi and he got help from the Baath party people and people who fought American occupation.

He is widely regarded as the founder of ISIS. But even disregarding that you acknowledge here the connection between ISIS to Al Qaeda and their origins in the Mujahideen fighting against the Soviet rape of Afghanistan.

pilly

Samuel T. Cogley wrote:

Anyway - on the security front, Dublin doesn't have many armed guards but I assume the Defence forces would be on scene fairly rapidly?

It's an interesting question. The ERU are based in Dublin so it would be very difficult to predict what would happen if an attack occurred outside Dublin.

Even a helicopter is not going to get to say Cork in a hurry.

gitzy16v

shaunr68 wrote: »

He is widely regarded as the founder of ISIS. But even disregarding that you acknowledge here the connection between ISIS to Al Qaeda and their origins in the Mujahideen fighting against the Soviet rape of Afghanistan.

Im no fan of the US they armed the Jihadis to thwart the Soviets who were protecting "The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

Some things never change.

Still though its not the reason that these attacks are happening in Europe now.
ISIS would claim any Islamic attack going so I'd be fairly sceptical of their claims of involvement...Islam has more than enough passages in the Quran to justify these attacks.

tomwaterford

pilly wrote: »

It's an interesting question. The ERU are based in Dublin so it would be very difficult to predict what would happen if an attack occurred outside Dublin.

Even a helicopter is not going to get to say Cork in a hurry.

I think the regency hotel attack gives a glimpse into what would happen if there was an attack

The guards didn't turn up for 45 mins.

Cheerful Spring

shaunr68 wrote: »

He is widely regarded as the founder of ISIS. But even disregarding that you acknowledge here the connection between ISIS to Al Qaeda and their origins in the Mujahideen fighting against the Soviet rape of Afghanistan.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in 2006. He's group was Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad. Who took over?

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant ( Isis) has been around maybe 5 to 6 years. It was Isis when they carved out land inside (Iraq) It's only leader and founder is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

shaunr68

gitzy16v wrote: »

Im no fan of the US they armed the Jihadis to thwart the Soviets who were protecting "The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan"

I understand, thiough I believe it was the right sentiment at the time. What I can't comprehend is why we blame the Americans for aiding, in a very small way relatively speaking, a popular resistance against a foreign invasion and occupation, rather than seeing the occupiers and oppressors themselves as the bad guys for launching a huge invasion which cost the lives of millions of Afghans and beggared the country for generations.

Snake Plisken

Mahony0509 wrote: »

Just saw a video, the fellas shot clearly have explosive vests on. Mighty work by the police.

Spanish Police don't mess around! Fair play to them for ending these scumbags lives before they killed more innocent people!

Subzero3

Instead of people and politicians saying we stand with (insert terrorist attack area) which does nothing, could the say we disavow Saudi Arabia who facilitate most of this.

Ironic Barcelona are sponsored by Qatar and will prob release a similar statement. 99% of Islamic attacks are carried out by sunni Muslims. The Saudis along with the Qataris are chief sponsors.

Nabber

Tolerance is the answer... Change your facebook page... Finding blame means we all lose. Light our candles. We will never forget......

Europe's deadly vehicle attacks

Paris, 9 August 2017: A man rammed a BMW into a group of soldiers, injuring six.

London, 19 June 2017: A man is killed in a van attack on Muslims outside a mosque in Finsbury Park.

London, 3 June 2017: Eight people died when three jihadists drove a van into pedestrians on London Bridge and then stabbed passers-by.

Stockholm, Sweden, 7 April 2017: Uzbek Rakhmat Akilov killed four people when he drove a lorry into a department store.

London, 22 March 2017: Four people died when a car rammed into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge, and the driver then stabbed to death a policeman.

Berlin, Germany, 19 December 2016: Tunisian Anis Amri ploughed a truck into a Christmas market at Breitscheidplatz, killing 12 people.

Nice, France, 14 July 2016: Tunisian Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel drove a truck into crowds on the Promenade des Anglais, killing 86 people on Bastille Day.

France, December 2014: A van was driven into a Christmas market in Nantes and a car rammed pedestrians in Dijon, leaving more than 20 wounded.

Cheerful Spring

Subzero3 wrote: »

Instead of people and politicians saying we stand with (insert terrorist attack area) which does nothing, could the say we disavow Saudi Arabia who facilitate most of this.

Ironic Barcelona are sponsored by Qatar and will prob release a similar statement. 99% of Islamic attacks are carried out by sunni Muslims. The Saudis along with the Qataris are chief sponsors.

Did not know that interesting. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are not best of friends anymore.

Snake Plisken

Eventually Europe will understand that internment for anyone on intelligence watch lists is the only way to control these scum it's just how many more innocent people have to die before they see the light!

Snake Plisken

end of the road wrote: »

no . it's not for the good of the nation and it can't be done as collective punishment in any form would be against people's human rights and international law. only the actual guilty can be punished. any government who would target innocent people as punishment for the actions of their relatives must be overthrown as they are a threat to the whole fabric of democracy.

Yeah like the human rights the the innocent people who died today had until your buddies decided to end them!

Manic Moran

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

It seems that this kind of murderous act has been going on a lot longer than realised in regards to using a vehicle as a weapon to kill in the last few years.

The last woman to be hanged in the Czech Republic (Then Czechoslovakia, of course) was convicted of using her truck as a weapon to run over a group of people who were waiting for a tram. She killed eight, injured 12. (A letter she had sent to a newspaper made clear it was a deliberate intent to kill). This was 1973, and remains the most significant mass killing in post-war Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic. (The axe killings of 1967 and mass shooting of 2015 both killed 8 as well, but injured fewer)

So, no, it's not exactly a new concept.

wakka12

Interesting to note that there was an attempted suicide bombing at the Madrid gay pride festival just two months ago. For a country that is not party to any bombing of innocents in the middle east, its very much on ISIS radar.

[Deleted User]

wakka12 wrote: »

Interesting to note that there was an attempted suicide bombing at the Madrid gay pride festival just two months ago. For a country that is not party to any bombing of innocents in the middle east, its very much on ISIS radar.

It's not about being on the radar. They don't care what country you are from. If you are not with them then that "religion" they follow tells them to kill all others who don't believe it.

Subzero3

wakka12 wrote: »

Interesting to note that there was an attempted suicide bombing at the Madrid gay pride festival just two months ago. For a country that is not party to any bombing of innocents in the middle east, its very much on ISIS radar.

Spain = member of Nato.
Spain = pushed for Iraq war along with US/UK.
Spain= part of coalition in Afghan war.

I'm sure they were involved in other previous wars.

[Deleted User]

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Eventually Europe will understand that internment for anyone on intelligence watch lists is the only way to control these scum it's just how many more innocent people have to die before they see the light!

Such utter nonsense.

It was tried, here, Guantanemo etc. It lead to a massive upsurge in violence and deaths in NI, and an increase in support for the IRA.

Tearing up our justice systems and denying fundamental civil liberties is no solution, it's the ultimate capitulation to terrorists, it only makes more martyrs and sad stories, it has no chance of surviving legal challenges in EU countries.

You may wish to abandon democracy for an option that has failed again and again, not all will accept it as an obvious or inevitable "solution".

AlekSmart

Deleted User wrote: »

Such utter nonsense.

It was tried, here, Guantanemo etc. It lead to a massive upsurge in violence and deaths in NI, and an increase in support for the IRA.

Tearing up our justice systems and denying fundamental civil liberties is no solution, it's the ultimate capitulation to terrorists, it only makes more martyrs and sad stories, it has no chance of surviving legal challenges in EU countries.

You may wish to abandon democracy for an option that has failed again and again, not all will accept it as an obvious or inevitable "solution".

Introducing some form of active restriction on freedom of movement for suspected Radical Islamicists is not the same as "Abandoning Democracy",indeed many would see it as robustly protecting it,for those who wish to abide by Democracy's requirements.

Some form of direct and effective response to the,Islamic belief based,mass slaughter of Infidels is inevitable,as,for example,in our own case the application of the Probation Acts will not cut mustard.

Internment itself,or extended periods of detention,will NOT end this savagery,only mainstream Islam itself has the power to do this now.

What Internment will do,is to buy TIME....time to dig deeper into this wild-eyed codology,which is being used to great effect by a section of greater Islam,to line the pockets of it's own psychopathic leadership.

This section,is threatening to destroy everything that moderate and "traditional" Islam stands for,and yet,it is the very element that so many in Western Europe apparently regard as a desireable or admirable.....Europe needs to ramp up it's understanding of what Radicalisation actually does to a young Muslim mind......It takes full possession of it,and instills a blind hatred of us,our belief structures and our way of life.

Once again,suggesting that Internment of radicals is being touted as THE solution,or the only obvious solution is being disingenuous,as at best it can only act as an element of a broader scale response.

Or....perhaps doing nothing at all may well be a legitimate response ?

pilly

Noel82 wrote:

The suspect told Police he believes it was his younger brother, an 18 yo.

Yes he told police that. Doesn't make it true. Even if it is then he obviously knew his brother was capable of such a thing and did nothing.