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ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

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A van has ploughed into the crowd in Las Ramblas, Barcelona. Earliest reports say several are injured.

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Ulysses Gaze

Danzy wrote: »

The usual responses are already being trotted out " we stand together" and the unbelievable lie "They will not change us".

It takes some incredible neck to say the 2nd one, especially when they know it is a lie.

It gets better. They are posting pictures of Cute Cats on Twitter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4800512/PrayForBarcelona.html

BillyBobBS

Seems like the explosion was at a house connected to the Islamic terrorists.

munsterlegend

The press conference is confusing. It appears the actual van driver is still on the loose from what I can gather.

Aristotle145

drdeadlift wrote: »

Hold on,i was only commenting on the nature of how some people think the Irish do not integrate.
The IRA comparison is complete horse ****e.We are dealing with something different here,in a different time etc.

No worries,was not trying to step on your toes.
Ha en god kveld

Danzy

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It gets better. They are posting pictures of Cute Cats on Twitter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4800512/PrayForBarcelona.html

Sure it is all a bit of a crack at the end of the day, apart from all the dead and 100 plus injured and the probable thousands traumatized by watching it.

If they close their eyes and wish and wish weally, weally hard it might all go away.

BillyBobBS

munsterlegend wrote: »

The press conference is confusing. It appears the actual van driver is still on the loose from what I can gather.

Police have lots of different streets all over Barcelona closed off. To me this looks like it could possibly be an ongoing attack and they haven't caught as possible terrorists.

Noel82

"An explosion which left one person dead at a house in a Spanish coastal town has been linked to the Barcelona terror attack, police chief Josep Lluís Trapero told a news conference.

Seven people were injured in the blast, which completely destroyed the house in Alcanar, about 126 miles (202km) south of the city, late on Wednesday night.

According to Spanish newspaper El Pais [in Spanish], bottles filled with propane and butane were found at the site."

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=explosion&src=typd

Nettle Soup

drdeadlift wrote: »

Hold on,i was only commenting on the nature of how some people think the Irish do not integrate.
The IRA comparison is complete horse ****e.We are dealing with something different here,in a different time etc.

There are comparisons though and we Irish are in a unique position to understand the roots of terrorism. The Troubles were very very bad and I wondered during the 80s whether we would ever resolve them. But we did find solutions despite the atrocities and hatred on both sides. The Islamic terrorist problem is very very complex and right now looks uncontrollable which makes people scared and angry. But there has to be a solution, we just need strong leaders and rational discussion/logic to find it.

Sweet Prince

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Can anyone tell me....what are the benefits of Mass Islamic Immigration from the Third World?

I already asked the same question. Apparently, beyond the feel-good actor that you have helped people somewhere that you will probably never meet (like we ever had a choice in the matter!), there is no benefit.

If there was some balance to the equation, that there was an equal mass immigration of Europeans into the middle east/north Africa, and said immigration was responsible for mass murders in the middle east/north Africa.......at LEAST there would be balance! Horrible as it is.

But that's not the case. Its a one-way system. We accommodate and suffer the consequences of it. That's it, nothing more.

Of course americans, and to a far lesser extent some other European powers ARE mass murdering people in the middle east/north Africa. But at least (AT LEAST) those f**ckers will go home afterwards and leave them alone to rebuild.

Here in Europe, there is a PERMANENT movement of millions upon millions looking to set up their home in our home. That's not equal either.

Divelment

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Leave aside the mass immigration issue for a minute. I get the impression that many of the previous terrorists were born and bred in their host country. Could be wrong but that's my feeling.

A few bollards at vulnerable spots would cost little or nothing compared with the police presence and all that.

So why not? I doubt any non car/van driver would care.

A much simpler solutions is as follows:

(1) No more immigration into the EU, end of story. No more fishing them out of the Med and encouraging them. Close the borders and enforce that closure.

(2) Any people already here who have Islamic extremist sympathies or who wish to live in a Sharia country, give them two choices (A) pick a country operating under Sharia law that you wish to go live in and sort it out with them when you get there, we will pay for your flight to that country or (B) face imprisonment.

It's time to take the gloves off with this crap and also time to start standing up to Juncker and Merkel, Varadkar and these other buffoons spouting their "EU core values" bull****, who don't give a flying fiddlers sh*t about EU citizens and how their standards of living are being demolished on a daily basis now by completely uncontrolled immigration. Not to mention the terrorism and how we have now become accustomed to what are monthly Islamic terror events.

munsterlegend

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Police have lots of different streets all over Barcelona closed off. To me this looks like it could possibly be an ongoing attack and they haven't caught as possible terrorists.

The driver is definitely not in custody as of now. Seems more a cell now than some lone wolf maniac.

BillyBobBS

So van attack today

House explosion last night linked to today's attack

Police ran over at checkpoint an hour after attack

And second van found rented out by attacker about 40 miles outside Barcelona

Feckoffcup

Islam is Vile

Sweet Prince

Divelment wrote: »

A much simpler solutions is as follows:

(1) No more immigration into the EU, end of story. No more fishing them out of the Med and encouraging them. Close the borders and enforce that closure.

(2) Any people already here who have Islamic extremist sympathies or who wish to live in a Sharia country, give them two choices (A) pick a country operating under Sharia law that you wish to go live in and sort it out with them when you get there, we will pay for your flight to that country or (B) face imprisonment.

It's time to take the gloves off with this crap and also time to start standing up to Juncker and Merkel, Varadkar and these other buffoons spouting their "EU core values" bull****, who don't give a flying fiddlers sh*t about EU citizens and how their standards of living are being demolished on a daily basis now by completely uncontrolled immigration. Not to mention the terrorism and how we have now become accustomed to what are monthly Islamic terror events.

Its getting to the heart of the matter, sure. Of course the complexity is beyond a post on a message board, so don't be fooled by people, disingenuously, asking you to solve it.

Youre on the right track though. People lament the violent swings from left to right, always forgetting balance. If we hadn't swung so far to the left, the pendulum wouldn't be destined as it is now to hit the hard right at an astonishing rate. People never learn, so harsh measures for everyone!

Ulysses Gaze

Divelment wrote: »

A much simpler solutions is as follows:

(1) No more immigration into the EU, end of story. No more fishing them out of the Med and encouraging them. Close the borders and enforce that closure.

(2) Any people already here who have Islamic extremist sympathies or who wish to live in a Sharia country, give them two choices (A) pick a country operating under Sharia law that you wish to go live in and sort it out with them when you get there, we will pay for your flight to that country or (B) face imprisonment.

It's time to take the gloves off with this crap and also time to start standing up to Juncker and Merkel, Varadkar and these other buffoons spouting their "EU core values" bull****, who don't give a flying fiddlers sh*t about EU citizens and how their standards of living are being demolished on a daily basis now by completely uncontrolled immigration. Not to mention the terrorism and how we have now become accustomed to what are monthly Islamic terror events.

Only way that will work is mass civil disobedience. Voting is not often enough.

Stephen15

Just a slight observation I have made about all post 9/11 terrorist attacks in Europe. All the big countries have been attacked including France, Germany, The UK, Spain and even some smaller countries like Belgium and Sweden but Italy has not been attacked is this just a conquincidence or is that Italian intelligence is very good or do terrorists have a particular motive for not attacking Italy.

BillyBobBS

munsterlegend wrote: »

The driver is definitely not in custody as of now. Seems more a cell now than some lone wolf maniac.

It's starting to look like a well organised cell. Possible bomb making at house that went wrong last night and remaining cell members carried out attack today could be a possible scenario.

Nettle Soup

Stephen15 wrote: »

Just a slight observation I have made about all post 9/11 terrorist attacks in Europe. All the big countries have been attacked including France, Germany, The UK, Spain and even some smaller countries like Belgium and Sweden but Italy has not been attacked is this just a conquincidence or is that Italian intelligence is very good or do terrorists have a particular motive for not attacking Italy.

Fair point and Italy have taken in more refugees than any other country in recent years.

dublinman1990

CNN gave info that two police officers were mowed down by a car at security checkpoints around Barcelona which could be linked to the attack.

I heard about a 3rd suspect being on the run after hearing the 2 other suspects were arrested.

It is known by Spanish Police that the 2 arrested were not the van drivers involved in the Las Ramblas incident.

CNN said there is also over 100+ people injured in hospital.

Spain's TVE24 news channel got word from an eyewitness that the van who hit the victims today was driving at speeds of 80 km/h.

All I can say is sweet holy f*ck. The aftermath of this attack ain't over yet.

Cian_ok

drdeadlift wrote: »

Hold on,i was only commenting on the nature of how some people think the Irish do not integrate.
The IRA comparison is complete horse ****e.We are dealing with something different here,in a different time etc.

One last time. I'm not comparing the IRA to ISIS. I'm comparing the reaction of "send them all home" that was aimed at the Irish to the Muslems today.

Tea drinker

bluewolf wrote: »

This is awful, I can't believe there's been another one.

It's hard to know what to do in response. There are so many muslim marches against violence, there were imams reporting the manchester guy for years because he was trying to stir up at their mosque (iirc?), and yet nothing was done. And then you hear about the ghettos in france. But if you start this "us and them" lark, it just makes things worse.

The Clonskeagh Mosque did not take part in the last peace march.
Same mosque that had the Bosnian lad going around setting fire to cars in White Oak because "Allah told him to do it". That's 10 15 years ago now.
He burnt a beautiful Ferrari 360 Modena.... whilst unforgivable in itself a number of apartments could have gone up as they were in proximity to cars

munsterlegend

BillyBobBS wrote: »

It's starting to look like a well organised cell. Possible bomb making at house that went wrong last night and remaining cell members carried out attack today could be a possible scenario.

Yeah looks like that.

It's confusing re the actual driver who of the van and his whereabouts. CNN were scratching their heads at the Catalonia police conference as to who exactly was in custody.

Spanish Eyes

Divelment wrote: »

A much simpler solutions is as follows:

(1) No more immigration into the EU, end of story. No more fishing them out of the Med and encouraging them. Close the borders and enforce that closure.

(2) Any people already here who have Islamic extremist sympathies or who wish to live in a Sharia country, give them two choices (A) pick a country operating under Sharia law that you wish to go live in and sort it out with them when you get there, we will pay for your flight to that country or (B) face imprisonment.

It's time to take the gloves off with this crap and also time to start standing up to Juncker and Merkel, Varadkar and these other buffoons spouting their "EU core values" bull****, who don't give a flying fiddlers sh*t about EU citizens and how their standards of living are being demolished on a daily basis now by completely uncontrolled immigration. Not to mention the terrorism and how we have now become accustomed to what are monthly Islamic terror events.

1. Ireland is being the fuzzy luvvy by sending the boats down to the Med to rescue these people. But they offload them in Italy. Such hypocrisy. If they were to be brought back to Dublin/Cork I wonder sometimes.....

2. There is no threat here from these people. But Ibrahim Halawa is top of the news. LOL. :rolleyes:

3. Merkel seems to be top of the heap for re-election in Germany.

Just build the bollards for now.

Stephen15

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Fair point and Italy have taken in more refugees than any other country in recent years.

Most have been from non Islamic Sub Saharan Africa mind you

Divelment

Sweet Prince wrote: »

Its getting to the heart of the matter, sure. Of course the complexity is beyond a post on a message board, so don't be fooled by people, disingenuously, asking you to solve it.

Youre on the right track though. People lament the violent swings from left to right, always forgetting balance. If we hadn't swung so far to the left, the pendulum wouldn't be destined as it is now to hit the hard right at an astonishing rate. People never learn, so harsh measures for everyone!

Very true, it's not as simple as I have set out but the continuation of this "they will never win!", attitude that we see being spouted out by the EU political class every time this happens, who have no strategy whatsoever to get back in control of this situation because they can't unwed themselves from the political principles that have caused this massive failure in EU policy that is the cause of these horrible events, political principles that have been a complete failure of a magnitude that could only be called eye-watering, these all need to be confronted.

The EU political class could not be more removed from the lives and concerns of EU citizens. People think Trump is mad and that the people who support him are mad, I'll tell you one thing, it's "America First", and none of this wholesale bullsh*t we have been served up for the last 20 years that forces policies on EU countries that drive down living standards, that drives down the price of labour, that makes housing less accessible, makes healthcare less accessible, because we have too many people chasing access to what are fairly limited resources and nowhere on earth is this probably more clear than here in Ireland where we have a massive housing crisis and a healthcare crisis, no thanks to policies of completely uncontrolled migration into this country...

BillyBobBS

I have to say if i ever find myself unfortunate enough to be at the scene of one of these attacks and find some fool with his mobile out filming dead and dying people they are getting the phone taken off them and shoved up their hole.

Sweet Prince

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Only way that will work is mass civil disobedience. Voting is not often enough.

Heres the obedient way:

When local elections come up, and the usual suspects come knocking at your door, make a VERY clear point of asking where they stand on immigration (in terms of current status quo in Europe). Make it clear that it is an important issue to you, and that your vote heavily depends on their stance. Follow them up on it afterwards.

If you think that job security, accommodation etc are more important local issues, please realise that in the medium and especially long term......those "local" issues" will be severely impacted by the immigration policies of NOW.

Heres the alternative way:

If nothing changes, its is simply a lottery of when it will happen in Ireland. An inevitability only governed by time. If it comes down to it, and it happens here, don't spare your feelings or your actions. Zero tolerance.

Ninthlife

I consider myself a tolerant person. I consider myself open minded and I am aware of issues within the wider world.

I am Irish. Being Irish there are certain cultural and being catholic religious aspects that are part of how i was raised. I live in Ireland and naturally these aspects are the norm here but..

If i were to up and relocate to Islamabad or Aleppo or any Muslim dominant country I do not expect them to change the name of Ramadan in case it upsets me the way Cadburys changed the name Easter Eggs to Chocolate Eggs.

Nor do I expect the schools to display the school name in Irish the way many schools in England have the arabic variation of the school name displayed.

I dont expect the local restaurant to serve ham and cabbage the way some expect all places here to be halal.

i certainly wouldnt expect a catholic church to be erected in the middle of the muslim country either and Im sure id be told to f*ck off back to Ireland quick enough if i tried.

There are muslim people coming here expecting us to change how Ireland or -insert name of EU country here- live and exist just so they dont get offended and whats worse is this is supported and accepted by those in Government.

Yes we should be accepting and tolerant but not to the extent that is currently happening. And just for good measure they are using these attacks and the fear factor to ensure these changes happen.

People thinking well if we do all this stuff and make everything muslim friendly they wont attack us .

Im just tired of it all..

Spanish Eyes

Stephen15 wrote: »

Just a slight observation I have made about all post 9/11 terrorist attacks in Europe. All the big countries have been attacked including France, Germany, The UK, Spain and even some smaller countries like Belgium and Sweden but Italy has not been attacked is this just a conquincidence or is that Italian intelligence is very good or do terrorists have a particular motive for not attacking Italy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/23/why-has-italy-been-spared-mass-terror-attacks-in-recent-years

Sweet Prince

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Fair point and Italy have taken in more refugees than any other country in recent years.

Think like you are the enemy. Strategise.

Italy is the perfect landing ground. If they were to start killing people in Italy, it could result in their main point of infiltration being cut off.

That's why I think that Italy is probably WAY down the list of targets.