bk wrote: » To be honest, I wouldn't really worry about how off duty gardai get around. They'd have no problem using the bus lanes off peak as mentioned above. I worry more about how all those folks working late in bars/clubs/restaurants or shift work, earning minimum wage, without a car and how they get around. It is for those people who we need 24/7 buses for.
whiskeygirl wrote: » Would be awkward for earlys, and some late & night finishes via PT.
amcalester wrote: » What percentage of the available road space do you think should be allocated to private motorists? Someone said further up the thread that private vehicles account for 20% of the traffic on the quays yet will be allocated 33% of the road space. Seems to me that private motorists are already well taken care of.
brokenarms wrote: » The last bus even now is nearly empty at 11.30 ish each night. Few old men coming home from the pub using the FTP mostly.
AndrewJRenko wrote: » Don't Garda shifts start and end in public transport hours?
Padraig Mor wrote: » I was of the understanding that *no* road space is specifically allocated to private motorists and that the lanes in question are available to, and used by, all forms of traffic. Perhaps I missed some new private car only lanes?
brokenarms wrote: » How many people is that really? The last bus even now is nearly empty at 11.30 ish each night. Few old men coming home from the pub using the FTP mostly. I believe keeping a bus service running to serve a few people who may or may not get the bus is not economical. The fairs would not even cover the diesel.
amcalester wrote: » Poor phrasing on my part, but lets flip the argument if it helps you understand the point, though no doubt you will find another semantic argument rather than argue the actual point.
brokenarms wrote: The last bus even now is nearly empty at 11.30 ish each night. Few old men coming home from the pub using the FTP mostly. I believe keeping a bus service running to serve a few people who may or may not get the bus is not economical. The fairs would not even cover the diesel.
Padraig Mor wrote: » Not just on your part - multiple anti-motorist posters here have referred to private motorists being "given" / "allocated" etc a portion of the available roadspace, when this is simply not the case - motorists share this portion of the road with all other road users. And where have I 'argued the point'? I have made no comment on the allocation of lanes per se, merely responded to your question (which in itself did not address my own point).
Roadhawk wrote: » My example mentions a Gard who would be on a shift rota including nights when public transport is not an option. I know you can please everyone, im just using a random example. Im sure there are more like it.
amcalester wrote: » What is your point? .
Padraig Mor wrote: » It's quite clearly spelt out in post 199. The TLDR is that many (but not all certainly) of the private motorists demonised for using the quays have little choice but to do so (and would probably love to take public transport instead) - but their critics cannot contemplate any worldview outside their own bubble and make massive, often incorrect, assumptions about the motorists' motives.
Deedsie wrote: » Will there also be luas tram crossing the liffey on the Rosie Hackett bridge every 3 minutes? If there is ever a collision on Eden Quay before the Rosie Hackett there will be unbelievable traffic congestion. The time of private cars on the North Quays is over based soley on the tram. Nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of private cars in the city centre
thomasj wrote: » Youre obviously not talking about the 39 or 39A While it's not as bad as 2 or 3 hours ago where you can't get on the bus at times, bus is certainly no where near empty if anything it's closer to full.
devnull wrote: » Clearly there is not going to be demand for 24 hour or later running services on all routes but for some there will be if the services are there.
brokenarms wrote: » No. Im not. I had no idea they were so popular. My experience would be on the 150 and 49 routes Weekdays are dead completely.
brokenarms wrote: » I did not see anything with regards 24hr in the Busconnects plan. Is it even on the cards?
howiya wrote: » I've often wondered as I pass them on my way home at night, how much it would cost DB (or the NTA to fund it) to run the curtailed last buses as the full route and thus extending the service on some routes past 11:30. Obviously there's more too it than simple cost as rosters and driving hours are probably very tightly managed.
devnull wrote: » Issues with union agreement as well in relation to work life balance as I posted earlier.
LXFlyer wrote: » Again though, how do you suggest that all of the traffic that currently uses the Quays can live with a tram crossing in both directions up to every 3 minutes, and at least 135 buses/coaches of all operators travelling inbound along the Quays per hour at peak times as well (potentially increasing to 175 if routes get diverted from College Green)? For right or wrong, the decision was made years ago to put LUAS BXD in place through College Green and O'Connell Street/Marlborough Street, and DCC have to work around that. For the record, I've opposed this routing from the outset, but it is built now, and we have to live with the consequences. Purely from a practical perspective, maintaining the status quo isn't going to be an option.
amcalester wrote: » You're very short on facts and long on assumptions here while also complaining that others are doing the same. I haven't seen anyone demonizing motorists, what is happening is people are recognizing that the finite space should be designed to benefit the many, rather than the few which is what has been happening.
Padraig Mor wrote: » Again, I haven't commented on the lane allocation - or even stated that I was against it. Just trying to get a bit of balance in the debate.
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